Real-Life "Soup Nazis"

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Poor and Muslim? Jewish? Soup Kitchen Is Not for You.

By CRAIG S. SMITH

PARIS, Feb. 27 ? More than 200 political demonstrators defied a police ban here on Thursday, scurrying across Boulevard St.-Germain and under the sycamore trees of Place Maubert to engage in their forbidden action: eating "pig soup" in public.

With steaming bowls of the fragrant broth soon passing through the crowd, Odile Bonnivard, a short-haired secretary turned far-right firebrand, climbed atop a dark sedan with a megaphone in hand and led the crowd in a raucous chant: "We are all pig eaters! We are all pig eaters!"

Identity soup, as the broth has come to be called, is one of the stranger manifestations of a growing grass-roots backlash against the multiculturalism that has spread through Europe over the past 20 years. People are increasingly challenging the care taken in Nazi-chastened Europe, and in France in particular, to avoid the sort of racial or religious insults that led to widespread protests in the Muslim world this month after wide publication of cartoons considered offensive to the Prophet Muhammad.

The movement began in the winter of 2003 when Ms. Bonnivard, a member of a small far-right nationalist movement called the Identity Bloc, began serving hot soup to the homeless. At first, she said, the group used pork simply because it was an inexpensive traditional ingredient for hearty French soup. But after the political significance of serving pork dawned on them and others, it quickly became the focus of their work.

Made with smoked bacon, pigs' ears, pigs' feet and pigs' tails together with assorted vegetables and sausages, the soup is meant to make a political statement: "Help our own before others."

The "others," Ms. Bonnivard explained, are non-European immigrants who she and her colleagues on the far right say are sopping up scarce resources that ought to be used for descendants of the Continent's original inhabitants. In other words, the soup is meant to exclude those who do not eat pork ? for the most part, Muslims and Jews.

"Other communities don't hesitate to help their own, so why can't we?" she asked, noting that Europe's Islamic charities serve halal food to disadvantaged Muslims and that its Jewish charities operate kosher soup kitchens.

Fair enough, one might argue, but this is France, where there is little tolerance for anything that challenges the republic's egalitarian ideals.

The authorities initially left the pork-soup kitchen alone, shutting it down only once to avoid an altercation with a group of indignant French leftists. Then came the riots that swept France in October and November last year, waking the government to the deep alienation felt by Muslim youth. As winter closed in and other pork-soup kitchens run by similar-minded groups popped up in Strasbourg and Nice ? and in Brussels, Antwerp and Charleroi in Belgium ? authorities worried that they might be witnessing the start of a dangerous racist-tinged trend.

In December, Ms. Bonnivard said, a van of plainclothes police chased her soup-bearing car through the streets, and several busloads of officers arrived to stop her group from setting up at their usual spot near the Montparnasse train station, citing "the discriminatory nature of the soup."

She and her fellow soup servers filed an appeal. A Paris police spokesman said the appeal was pending and would be decided "on the basis of the current regulations, in particular concerning risks to public order and incitement to racial hatred."

They have been playing cat and mouse with the authorities since then.

Ms. Bonnivard talks glowingly of the camaraderie engendered by her group's gatherings, whose motive, she said, is to defend European culture and identity. "Our freedom in France is being threatened," she said. "If we prefer European civilization and Christian culture, that's our choice."

Even newly arrived immigrants from Eastern Europe are more welcome than Muslims from North Africa, she said, a sentiment shared by some of the diners.

"At least here there are people who are of the same mind as me," said a woman named Hélène, 61, who is not homeless but comes for soup because she has little money left for food after paying her rent. "The French, and the Europeans in general, roll over for foreigners, and particularly Islam."

This being France, most soup kitchens provide the downtrodden with a complete French dinner, including cheese and dessert. Ms. Bonnivard's group even throws in a glass of red wine with every meal.

"The only condition required for dining with us: eat pork," reads the group's Web site, which bears the image of a wanted poster for a cartoon pig in a pot framed by the words, "Wanted, Cooked or Raw, Public Disturbance No. 1."

The police initially granted permission for the "European solidarity feast" that Ms. Bonnivard's and the other right-wing soup kitchens planned last Thursday. But the authorities called late Wednesday evening to say the permission had been revoked. Officers appeared at Ms. Bonnivard's apartment at 6 a.m. Thursday to deliver a written notice prohibiting the pork-eating rally.

By evening, four police vans filled with anti-riot police officers were waiting at the group's designated meeting point outside a conservative Roman Catholic church while Ms. Bonnivard and her associates huddled in a nearby cafe, plotting diversionary tactics so they could serve their soup before the police could intervene.

"They're more afraid of us than any march by Islamists or Jews," Ms. Bonnivard's husband, Roger, declared as people slurped soup around him. (In the end, despite the official ban, the police did not intervene.)

Bruno Gollnisch, the silver-haired No. 2 in the far-right National Front of Jean-Marie Le Pen, mingled in the crowd, calling the "persecution" of the soup kitchen a "betrayal of the French identity." Others handed out slices of oily sausage as flags bearing the French fleur-de-lis fluttered overhead. There wasn't a police officer in sight.

"We're not yet living in a land of Islam," Ms. Bonnivard bellowed from atop the sedan.

I wonder if Seinfeld is popular there. No soup for you!

It's obvious that the group is specifically serving the soup for far-right reasons, but I think that they should be allowed to serve their soup to the poor regardless of their stupid reasons. What's next, you can't serve beef because of Hindus or you can't serve meat because of vegetarians?

It seems that this "Soup Nazi" fad is spreading across Europe now.
 

Genx87

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George Will had a great commentary about this and these types of crimes in the newspaper today.


American legislators, using the criminal law for moral exhibitionism, enact "hate crime" laws. Hate crimes are, in effect, thought crimes. Hate crime laws mandate enhanced punishments for crimes committed as a result of, or at least when accompanied by, particular states of mind of which the government particularly disapproves. Governments that feel free to stigmatize, indeed criminalize, certain political thoughts and attitudes will move on to regulating what expresses such thoughts and attitudes -- speech.


http://www.startribune.com/562/story/274201.html

It really points out the hypocracy within Europe and our own nation with regards to freedom of expressions and speech.
 

CellarDoor

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I went to the real soup nazi years ago.

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/mribnik/SoupNaziSign199904-vi.jpg

The lady before us asked the guy if the potato soup was chunky or not. He didn't say "no soup for you," he just pointed to us because we were next. The lady was wondering what the hell happened. Then, my dad didn't know the exact amount for the order, because my dad was ordering five different soups or so, so my dad just told him that. I guess the guy liked us or was intimidated by my dad because we got all this free bread and fruits. It was seriously the best soup of my life too. So good.
 

pinion9

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I think it is a wonderful idea. They don't stop the Jews/Muslims from eating it. When I was a kid my brother liked to eat the food I bought for me. Solution: buy stuff I like but he doesn't. Same idea.

If the Jews and Muslims don't like it, they can go back to their own respective countries.
 

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A better idea would be to tell everyone they quit putting pork in the soup but sitll serve the soup in pig broth. Then, after a few months, let all them Muslims know that they were eating pigs and will go to hell.

NO VIRGINS FOR YOU!
It would be like the "Virgin Nazi."
 

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Originally posted by: pinion9
A better idea would be to tell everyone they quit putting pork in the soup but sitll serve the soup in pig broth. Then, after a few months, let all them Muslims know that they were eating pigs and will go to hell.

NO VIRGINS FOR YOU!
It would be like the "Virgin Nazi."
~brr~

Did it just get cold in here? No... but the average IQ level did drop drastically.
 

Aimster

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I know in Islam if you eat pork and you didn't know you are not doing anything wrong.

I am sure the same could be said for Judaism.

Even if you do eat pork and you are a Muslim or a Jew you are not going to hell.

"Hi what are you here for.. I killed a man... oh I ate pork"
 

GoPackGo

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Originally posted by: Proletariat
This just seems like they are purposely agitating Muslims.

2 FIN BAD

You don't want the soup, don't eat it. Thats the thing about choice.

Muslims would take away your right to eat pig soup...never forget that.

 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Originally posted by: Proletariat
This just seems like they are purposely agitating Muslims.

2 FIN BAD

You don't want the soup, don't eat it. Thats the thing about choice.

Muslims would take away your right to eat pig soup...never forget that.

o rly?
 

Steeplerot

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I miss "Your black muslim bakery" They had cheapest Bean Pie when you are broke and big brothers in black camo combat boots and revoloutionary berets standing outside with their arms crossed menacingly.

(but they were always cool to the local punks in SF and even helped a few people know who were having problems w/ local cops)

I know that is random, but funny soup places, dinner rolls/bakery, yeah.
 

1prophet

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Originally posted by: pinion9
A better idea would be to tell everyone they quit putting pork in the soup but sitll serve the soup in pig broth. Then, after a few months, let all them Muslims know that they were eating pigs and will go to hell.

NO VIRGINS FOR YOU!
It would be like the "Virgin Nazi."

There are people actually considering something similar to this, it is called Project Jahannam. I read about it over at beyond 3d, hopefully it is false.
 

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Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Originally posted by: Proletariat
This just seems like they are purposely agitating Muslims.

2 FIN BAD

You don't want the soup, don't eat it. Thats the thing about choice.

Muslims would take away your right to eat pig soup...never forget that.

I'd probably like the soup. In fact I'm eating pork right now... Bacon to be precise.

But I wouldn't go around my office showing it to all the Muslims.

HEY LOOOK AT ME! I'M EATING PIG SOUP!
 

Orignal Earl

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Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Muslims would take away your right to eat pig soup...never forget that.

Oh lord.. LOL

CanOWorms, in another thread you had said you would not want to live in Europe because you were afraid they would want to genocide you. The first thing that came to my mind is that you could be Jewish, then I thought maybe Muslim, but it just seemed odd you saying that. Then I was thinking maybe you just consider yourself an American and figured Europe don't want no Americans around. But really that don't make sense either. The most logical thing is either Jewish or Muslim but you already live in America were so many people like GoPackGo and pinion9 are.
Could you solve this mystery for me? :)
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Originally posted by: Proletariat
This just seems like they are purposely agitating Muslims.

2 FIN BAD

You don't want the soup, don't eat it. Thats the thing about choice.

Muslims would take away your right to eat pig soup...never forget that.

I'd probably like the soup. In fact I'm eating pork right now... Bacon to be precise.

But I wouldn't go around my office showing it to all the Muslims.

HEY LOOOK AT ME! I'M EATING PIG SOUP!


I go to work and I eat pepporni pizza in front of Muslims trying to convince them to live their life.

They laugh at me. Of course I'm just kidding with them and they know that.

So far I haven't gotten anyone to try it :-\ One of these days!
 

Train

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I wonder if Seinfeld is popular there. No soup for you!
That would be somewhat ironic, as Jerry Seinfeld and Larry David, the co-creators of the show, are both Jewish.

 

dahunan

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Religion is a bad joke...

This sounds like witchcraft.. to say that a food is not allowed to be eaten... I thought religion was concerned with how you treat others-- not what food you eat?
 

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Originally posted by: 1prophet
There are people actually considering something similar to this, it is called Project Jahannam. I read about it over at beyond 3d, hopefully it is false.

I just looked it up, the goal is to mix pig fat biodiesel into airplane fuel so muslims would breathe in pig fat and so they couldn't go to heaven.
 

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The degree of stupidity that the French (and European) ruling classes sometimes reach is amazing. When I read about this a month or two ago, I thought the author (in a magazine) was joking and was lampooning the French far-right. Then it dawned on me that he (and the French authorities) were serious.
 

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Originally posted by: pinion9
I think it is a wonderful idea. They don't stop the Jews/Muslims from eating it. When I was a kid my brother liked to eat the food I bought for me. Solution: buy stuff I like but he doesn't. Same idea.

If the Jews and Muslims don't like it, they can go back to their own respective countries.

Wow, you're a smart one. I feel the same way about the Mormons. Perhaps if we put Caffeine in everything one eats in America, they would all go back to their respective country ;)
 

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Originally posted by: pinion9
A better idea would be to tell everyone they quit putting pork in the soup but sitll serve the soup in pig broth. Then, after a few months, let all them Muslims know that they were eating pigs and will go to hell.

NO VIRGINS FOR YOU!
It would be like the "Virgin Nazi."

That's a great idea too! We should also put peanut oil into random foods, but not tell anyone about it. We should also lobby to get animal lard back into mislabeled French fries!

You are just soo cool Pinion9! Any more bright ideas from a teenage mind?
 

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this is pretty old news, but I think in general Muslums have a lot bigger problem with the generally immoral fabric of our society as opposed to the pig soup.

The french/europeans after all were the pioneers in political correctness run amuck.
 

Aimster

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Jews/Muslims - Not allowed to eat pork. Have to eat special meats. Jews - Khoser. Muslims - Halal

Hindus? They don't eat cows? Right/Wrong?
 

thereaderrabbit

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Jews/Muslims - Not allowed to eat pork. Have to eat special meats. Jews - Khoser. Muslims - Halal

Hindus? They don't eat cows? Right/Wrong?

Yes, Hindus don't eat cows.
 

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Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I wonder if Seinfeld is popular there. No soup for you!
That would be somewhat ironic, as Jerry Seinfeld and Larry David, the co-creators of the show, are both Jewish.

I read that he's half Syrian though.