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you mean like the normalization during 1967 and before? where terrorism and war ruled the day? what have israeli concessions of land done in the past? thats right, the arab states sticking to the "no peace for israel" line. the problem isn't occupation in the eyes of many, its that israel exists at all.
its not israels place to always conceed to please the arab states. its as if the allies had to redraw state lines after ww2 based on what would have pleased the nazi's. the losers in war and and agressors in war should not be allowed to win out of some kind of convenience. it is not just, peace at any price is not worth it.
You said there was no Palestine.
You said the Palestinians did not participate in the 1947 war.
You deny the reason why the Arab states invaded Israel, which was to destroy it for the purpose of enlarging Palestine.
You compare Palestine to Belgium, Israel to France, and the other Arab states to Germany, in a laughably false comparison of the 1947 war to WW2.
Originally posted by: Soultrape
1. To be Palestinian is not to have a State, "Palestinian" is a word that implies a connection (I'm a Matrix buff). You cannot deny people lived here for over 700-1000 years, they had their social organization, structures, culture, traditions, language and especially literature, to say that "Palestinians" do not exist because there was no State (which was due to the fact that 1/2 the damn world occupied us), atleast we didn't die slowly, and kept the culture going. And thus, a Palestinian is someone that lived in the region, and was brought up based on those cultures and traditions... much like any nation around the world.
so palestine is a nation but is not, and palestinians have national identity for a nation that never existed whose name is roman in origin in 135 ad ... also there is no palestinian language. many like arafat speak arabic of the egyptian variety. you mention culture, other than palestinian "nationalism" what about palestinians is culturally different than jordanians or egyptians? you cannot deny israeli's have been living in israel for over 4000 years.
not exactly, arafat speaks like an egyptian because arafat IS an egyptian, and has alway been a terrorist.
maybe since your the self proclaimed middle eastern expert you cna explain why arafat was expelled from jordan...
With all due respect, Palestinians were nither aggressors nor losers in 'a war', as mentioned by someone earlier, Jews came to an already (densly) populated land, and claimed it their own (through the british mandate), sure you could say "Hey, you could have had Half!", so If the native population of Germany graduately found more and more UK fella's sit in their land and then ask for 50% of it, would you agree? Not to mention Jews owned, legally, 6% only of the land up till 1947, where as the rest was owned by arab $$ Men/ Lords.
The entire Declaration of the state of Israel on the land owned and populated by the arab, palestinian natives (the Nortion of Palestinians started taking shape around the 1930's, as the need for a unifed front was finally needed, because of the massive jewish attemps to both populate the land and acquire land), the Declaration itself was the injust move, they took people's land for gods sake, and for those with doubts, they Drove the natives out, as in, with force. My grandfather was lined up in a marshal shooting range, saved last minute by a (later on found out) one of the israeli military luttenants (later on found out that he had left-ish, communist roots, within the community party at the time).
Uses of terror (Groups known as Etsel, Lechi, Haganah if i'm not mistaken) were applied pre to 1947, bombs thrown within markets to kill / frighten the local arab community to flee the land, post-1947, those groups formed TSAHAL (or IDF, Israeli Defence Force).
With all due respect, sounds to me like an Israeli speaking
what you might not know or what to mention, is that most if not all attacks were held from Syria, yet Israel invaded East Jerusalem, relation? Non. As for "The Problem", the problem that Israeli's tries to keep brainwashing is Terror, Attacks, "We have to Defend ourselfs", the ultimate Victim, after all, they went through the Holocost. Where the truth is the same as it was, every year, Occupation. You don't agree that it's occupation? It's not even my or your choice anymore, it's ruled by the UN, International Law, Resolution 242 and 181 (Regarding the returning of all Palestinian Refugee's to their homes, and the withdrawal of israel in the occupied terretories in 1967).The issue is occupation, always has been, All the rest is distracting methods, to let time do its 'thing', whether its natural population, strategic occupation and re-population, land siezing, its Occupation. I know it's 'old' to say Occupation, but it is what it is.
lozina
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So are you saying this is false?
I did? Now you're attributing something to me which I did not state, how nice of you. With Arab armies clashing with Israeli armies on their territory, it's impossible to not "participate" in the 1947 war in some manner. I did say however, that no Palestinian army invaded Israel.
Funny, I don't remember denying anything. But now that you mention it, how do you go about proving your supposition that Arab nations invaded Israel to "enlarge Palestine"? The way I see it, they just didnt want Israel existing, they could care less about Palestine.
I think it's a good analogy. I'm sorry you don't feel the same way.
Palestine is a territory, now known as Israel (map posted earlier), as Language, we speak Arabic, the arab world, when occupied was quite large, and every territory (now countries) had its own charachteristics, culture and traditions. Now, I resent the hinting that Palestinians do not have cultural roots other than nationalism, with all due respect, sounds to me like a someone thought here locally, or told what many have been told. Compared to the Israeli culture, Palestinian Culture exceeds numrically, within literature, Traditions and culture, the fact that you even suggest that there's no difference between Egyptian, Palestinian and Jordanian cultures only shows how little you know about them, assuming you even Looked into the matter. There are Hundreds of Thousands of books, poems, science (look up what Algabra means just as an example), medicine, to even suggest what you did shows how unrealistic you are, only to instate propaganda.
As for the fact that I cannot deny that Israeli's have been living in Israel for over 4000 years, Ofcourse I can, because they weren't, the Jewish community in Palestine was as little as a few hundreds, If even! you might wanna crack a book about that mate.
Thank you for your insight.
As you might know, Many palestinian refugee's were expelled to Jordan, even today, Palestinian refugee's are the majority of citizens in Jordan. now, the King at the time, Hussain, was an Israeli affliate, at a time he slaughtered 10,000 palestinians in a single night, by running over a refugee camp while everyone was in their sleep (I'm recalling the number, not 100% sure, i will crank some books and validate it, or find some web site about it), The palestinians also tried taking Hussain out, for being a 'traitor' and working with the enemy, needless to say, Araft was not a welcome figure in Jordan.
Why don't Palestinians, in their own best interest, expel or prosecute Arafat who is a responsible for more Palestinian deaths than anybody, most at the hands of other Arab countries?
Why do Palestinians sit idly by as Arafat fleeces ( Arafat's corruption is so well documented) the Palestinian people of the monetary aid they so desperately need and depend on, but choose to rail against Israel for protecting its citizens, both Arab and Israeli?
What do Palestinians think that they can gain by teaching anti-semitism in schools and creating a culture which thrives primarily on the hatred of Jews?
Why do Palestinians feel the need to blame Israel for all its problems, when its problems with Israel are a direct result of Palestinian society embracing and idolizing homicidal terrorists?
Why do Palestinians sit idly by as Arafat fleeces ( Arafat's corruption is so well documented) the Palestinian people of the monetary aid they so desperately need and depend on, but choose to rail against Israel for protecting its citizens, both Arab and Israeli?
What do Palestinians think that they can gain by teaching anti-semitism in schools and creating a culture which thrives primarily on the hatred of Jews?
Why do Palestinians feel the need to blame Israel for all its problems, when its problems with Israel are a direct result of Palestinian society embracing and idolizing homicidal terrorists?
"With all due respect, Palestinians were nither aggressors nor losers in 'a war', as mentioned by someone earlier, Jews came to an already (densly) populated land, and claimed it their own (through the british mandate), sure you could say "Hey, you could have had Half!", so If the native population of Germany graduately found more and more UK fella's sit in their land and then ask for 50% of it, would you agree? Not to mention Jews owned, legally, 6% only of the land up till 1947, where as the rest was owned by arab $$ Men/ Lords.
The entire Declaration of the state of Israel on the land owned and populated by the arab, palestinian natives (the Nortion of Palestinians started taking shape around the 1930's, as the need for a unifed front was finally needed, because of the massive jewish attemps to both populate the land and acquire land), the Declaration itself was the injust move, they took people's land for gods sake, and for those with doubts, they Drove the natives out, as in, with force. My grandfather was lined up in a marshal shooting range, saved last minute by a (later on found out) one of the israeli military luttenants (later on found out that he had left-ish, communist roots, within the community party at the time)."
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If everything you say is true, then what is the point of pretending that "occupation" is the issue ? As I said before the issue is that Arabs do not believe Israel has a right to exist.
As for the "taking of lands", that is what happens in war. To avoid this happening, you need to win wars you start, not lose them.
The entire Declaration of the state of Israel on the land owned and populated by the arab, palestinian natives (the Nortion of Palestinians started taking shape around the 1930's, as the need for a unifed front was finally needed, because of the massive jewish attemps to both populate the land and acquire land), the Declaration itself was the injust move, they took people's land for gods sake, and for those with doubts, they Drove the natives out, as in, with force. My grandfather was lined up in a marshal shooting range, saved last minute by a (later on found out) one of the israeli military luttenants (later on found out that he had left-ish, communist roots, within the community party at the time)."
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If everything you say is true, then what is the point of pretending that "occupation" is the issue ? As I said before the issue is that Arabs do not believe Israel has a right to exist.
As for the "taking of lands", that is what happens in war. To avoid this happening, you need to win wars you start, not lose them.
I think most death's to palestinians were carried away by arab countries, there's no love between arab countries and the palestinian nation (mainly due to the fact that palestinians are revolting, and wherever they organize, in whatever arab country, they threaten the local System. Second of all, Please, Try and see the reasons, not the effects, Israel occupies palestinian territory, palestinian lives, people try to have a Life there, but aren't, Any nation would Resist occupation, Don't blame the palestinians for resisting, blame the militant groups for terrorism yes, killing babies and children daily to get to those terrorists isn't a valid option. (A Valid option would be Stopping the occupation!)
Israel isn't protecting its citizens, Israel is protecting its Occupation.
I don't really know, I don't even know what they teach over there, i'm pretty surprised you do. Also, please use the "anti-semetic" phrase with care, i know you're trying to indicate hatered towards jews, but arabs are semetic as well, they even stole that word ^_^
Because they're being occupied by Israel, not Fictively, Actively, with Tanks, Armed Army, Curfies, Daily killing, intolerable interference in their mundane, normal life. Look up Occupation. As for Embracing and Idolizing Homicidal Terrorists, thats a conclusion you got to, I do not believe the majority does, it's only what you see on TV.
Yes, i'm sorry, I forget i'm Speaking of the matter with people with no background
the idea of re-taking the entire Palestinian land has been long forsaken, the 'fight' now is only about the lands that palestinians were taken from illegally (based on International Law, and UN resolutions, again, no arab interpetation added...) meaning back to 1967 Borders (Plus, Minus)Palestinians never issued a war, they never had an Army, moreover, they did not start one, nither did arab countries, Israel declared a State, as in, Issued its self-control on a land that was populated by Natives, therefor arab countries retaliated.
"You said there was no Palestine.
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So are you saying this is false?"
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Yea, that's what I'm saying. The Palestinians may not choose to accept that anything less than all of the territory they perceive as belonging to them, which includes Israel or course, is Palestine, but that does not mean that those other territories did not exist. You said so yourself, in fact, which is what I pointed out to you previously.
You also choose to say that Palestinians did not "invade" Israel, but that is just your clever way of saying that they could not invade something that already belonged to them, as you see it.
As long as Palestinians or those who support them, cling to these beliefs, it's a waste of time to pretend there can be a peace agreement.
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So are you saying this is false?"
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Yea, that's what I'm saying. The Palestinians may not choose to accept that anything less than all of the territory they perceive as belonging to them, which includes Israel or course, is Palestine, but that does not mean that those other territories did not exist. You said so yourself, in fact, which is what I pointed out to you previously.
You also choose to say that Palestinians did not "invade" Israel, but that is just your clever way of saying that they could not invade something that already belonged to them, as you see it.
As long as Palestinians or those who support them, cling to these beliefs, it's a waste of time to pretend there can be a peace agreement.
Originally posted by: Soultrape
Yes, i'm sorry, I forget i'm Speaking of the matter with people with no background
Palestinians never issued a war, they never had an Army, moreover, they did not start one, nither did arab countries, Israel declared a State, as in, Issued its self-control on a land that was populated by Natives, therefor arab countries retaliated.
I have plenty of background, I just happen to percieve the world differently than you. Who is correct ? Well based on the reality that exists on the ground I would tend to believe you are living in some sort of dream and cannot fully accept facts.
And as I've said, I do not believe it is true that the Palestinians and other Arabs have decided to settle for the lands you call "occupied" in deference to someday regaining all of the lands you consider Palestine. If it was true the conflict would have ended decades ago.
No, forty years of observation has led me to conclude that there is still enough hatred of Israel in the hearts of Palestinians and other Arabs to keep the current situation, or worse, going for many more decades, if not in perpituity.
so basically then you cannot identify ANY charictaristics that differentiate "palestinian culture" from the rest of the arabs only resent the fact i point it out. lets go over the actual historical facts so far
1. there has never been a nation called palestine, the arabic word "filistin" is derived from the latin "palestina" the named the romans changed the province of judea to in ad 135.
2. there is no "palestinian" language.
3. there is no distinct "palestinian" culture.
4. the leader of the "palestinians" yassir arafat, is actually himself an egyptian, (he even speaks like one)
5. the region of "palestine"(aka judea) inlcudes what is also jordan the part of palestine(aka judea) designated for the arabs.
i have , quite of few of them they just were not historically inaccurate palestinian propaganda. you seem to not be able to make up your mind, you say you can deny jews have been living in israel(even since judea was renamed "palestine") then say "it was only hundreds"..which is it?
by jordan you mean the 80% of palestine that were designated arab lands? to bad the hashemites stole it from you, why dont you take it back?..oh it was tried that is why arafat and al fatah was expelled from jordan....
Here's my question that I was just wondering, nothing serious. This one I've been wondering since they started having palestinian female suicide bombers.
If a palestinian male suicide bomber automatically becomes a martyr and gets 40 female virgins. What does a palestinian female suicide bomber get when she becomes a martyr? 40 horny male virgins?
If a palestinian male suicide bomber automatically becomes a martyr and gets 40 female virgins. What does a palestinian female suicide bomber get when she becomes a martyr? 40 horny male virgins?
Jordan was once Palestine also. Why are the Palestinians not fighting for a homeland that also includes Jordanian territory?
I think you're trying to 'Catch my Trick', trying to fail me on this word, that loophole in my 'theory'. When I say I can deny that there have been Jews living israel, I ment such a low number (in comparison to the native arabs) that they weren't as significant of a force around the region. most of the jews that Were here were religious jews, who do not believe in a State of Israel (the jews, religious ones, believe in a Jewish State based on the Halacha or Tora, and not a democratic [...]). So yes, there were jews, hundreds in comparison to some hundred thousands (~800,000 at 1948) Arab Palestinians.
Could very much be. I will look into it more.
I'm not too sure about that, I don't think you've ever felt what it is to be occupied. Nither have I. All i felt was the rage of other palestinian chaps in my age [at the time, i was ~16-17], at the most peaceful of times between Israel and the PLO, Israel did not withdraw, the Binyameen Administration was not following the Oslo agreement plans and time tables, Settlements were starting to form, and Palestinian Kids, you know, Our ages, 16-23 were seeing Israel Re-build its occupation force while fullfilling the Oslo agreements, Contradictory?
Ironic isn't it? You keep believing what you believe, justify occupation because Hey! I think the other side is just tricking me to re-take over the lands! Since Oslo, no one even THINKS about retaking the entire palestinian land, retribution on the other hand is being demanded.
Just as a note, if there is a war, and the "Other" party wins, they are obligated by international laws to keep the natives within the state, and reach an agreement with them (Citizenship in most cases, not sure if it is enforced), a Ruling that the UN instated in 1967, and did not come through with (and now seems impossible). Israel does not comply with International Law, you know, the one that's supposed to help the world stay a better place.
Go live for a single day in the WestBank and Gaza, and let me know how it feels to be occupied day in and day out by a military force that has been there for over 40 years of your observation. People don't love their occupyers mate.
I'm an Israeli citizen, I live in relative ease compared to those in the west bank and gaza (I live in the 3rd largest city in israel, Haifa), my parents are both middle-class Teachers (and excellent ones i might add). We're mostly discriminated rather than opressed, when it comes to funding, we're systimatically disriminated (and education becomes worse -> Upcoming generations become Worse -> What a nice way to dumb up arabs), not a single arab town has been set up since Israel was formed, though we're law obiding, we fullfil our civil duties, we work, we learn, we do all we do as all do.
The apartheid is in the West bank and Gaza, where tanks stand off main streets, where civil houses are taken down for 'security matters', where farmers' lands are ruined and people lose their income source. I can bring on so many real life stories, There's a true left winged, humain person in israel which writes for the Haaretz News paper, and every week he brings a true story, from the Occupied terretories, truly cruel.
Sure, some might say 'But they're defending themselfs', others would say 'We're just attacking the terrorists'. I say, Israel has been in the westbank and Gaza since 1967, even through the Oslo peace talks and implementations, they continued building Settlements, delaying and delaying, building even more settlements and nagotiations simply went into a dead stop. Friends and Rational folk, It is not a matter of Terror, it is not a matter of Security, It truly and honesty is, a simple matter of Occupation.
Why? Why did Israel occupy Lebanon for 40 years? 1,000 Soldiers (Israeli) Died, an opposition started in Israel to Stop the nonsense and they Withdrew from lebanon after Hizbullah kept Resisting the Israeli occupation. and get this! after 40 Years, they left this small Outpost, occupied which hizbulla still attacks, now, the UN said Israel fullfilled its part, so, I'm not going to get into that, but what the residents in Israel, which reside near the border outlooking Hizbulla say, On Israeli TV, is that they trust hizbullah's word more than their army, Hizbulla at the time declared, that if Israel started withdrawing, and withdrew from the occupied lands, they would not attack Israel, In its borders, At all. and they didn't.
So to answer the Why, Sharon was one who dremt about the Full Land of Israel, you can look that up at Google, basically a portion of israeli's believed in regaining all the land that was once the Issraeli Tribes / Empire / Whatever 2,000 years ago, thats one theory.
Another is the Barter issue, Israel wants more bartering cards for when the time is right.
Another is that Sharon is a bastard, who in the time was responsible for the slaughter in Sabra and Shatila in Lebanon (indirectly by not stopping the Christian radicals, oh and by the way, i'm christian if it matters to anyone), and was declared by a special Israeli court/cousil that he was not fit to ever be a minister of Defence ever again (and yet now he's prime minister)
Another is the need for War, get more money going from the US (yes, Israel is funded heavily by the US), keep things unpeaceful so the US has a nice lovely stronghold in the middle east outlooking all arab countries (Espionage is alright, because we're not at peace you see...), so, thats another option.
I'd like to believe that its somewhere within that range, the reasons by the way are not fiction, they are discussed in many forums in Israeli society as well as in the arab world.
No idea
I think that's just crap and BS that the radicals use for brainwashing for some. Though many today, especially the female ones, have revenge on their mind, or social problems. I know about atleast one (the one at Maxim), that her brother and family was shot infront of her, assasinated, they were in Hamas I believe, and her brother was about to get married, and they shot them all right infront of her. Again, taken from Israeli media. (Haaretz) So yes, it is at times about personal revenge.See Lebanon, See all the reasons i mentioned above.
I have no buisness in your daily Jargon, Anti-semetic means What it means, Arabs are semetic and there for the Anti applies to them aswell.
Peaceful demonstrations, Violent demonstrations, Gurilla Attacks, ongoing peace talks, Israel is still occupying, it is OCCUPYING my friend, it is a BIT hard to lead a nation into better education, better status, healither life, if you're under occupation, I do not think you fully grasp the meaning of being occupied, I do not think you realize what it means to wake up and see a tank pointing towards your house, fully knowing that the army will not hesitate to bomb it for a Second if they had to, whether you were in there, or not. This has been going on for more than 40 years mate, not yesterday, not the day before, and entire Generation, from being Kids till growing up and becoming men and women.
anything more?
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Originally posted by: Soultrape
I think you're trying to 'Catch my Trick', trying to fail me on this word, that loophole in my 'theory'. When I say I can deny that there have been Jews living israel, I ment such a low number (in comparison to the native arabs) that they weren't as significant of a force around the region. most of the jews that Were here were religious jews, who do not believe in a State of Israel (the jews, religious ones, believe in a Jewish State based on the Halacha or Tora, and not a democratic [...]). So yes, there were jews, hundreds in comparison to some hundred thousands (~800,000 at 1948) Arab Palestinians.
Could very much be. I will look into it more.
I'm not too sure about that, I don't think you've ever felt what it is to be occupied. Nither have I. All i felt was the rage of other palestinian chaps in my age [at the time, i was ~16-17], at the most peaceful of times between Israel and the PLO, Israel did not withdraw, the Binyameen Administration was not following the Oslo agreement plans and time tables, Settlements were starting to form, and Palestinian Kids, you know, Our ages, 16-23 were seeing Israel Re-build its occupation force while fullfilling the Oslo agreements, Contradictory?
Ironic isn't it? You keep believing what you believe, justify occupation because Hey! I think the other side is just tricking me to re-take over the lands! Since Oslo, no one even THINKS about retaking the entire palestinian land, retribution on the other hand is being demanded.
Just as a note, if there is a war, and the "Other" party wins, they are obligated by international laws to keep the natives within the state, and reach an agreement with them (Citizenship in most cases, not sure if it is enforced), a Ruling that the UN instated in 1967, and did not come through with (and now seems impossible). Israel does not comply with International Law, you know, the one that's supposed to help the world stay a better place.
Go live for a single day in the WestBank and Gaza, and let me know how it feels to be occupied day in and day out by a military force that has been there for over 40 years of your observation. People don't love their occupyers mate.
I'm an Israeli citizen, I live in relative ease compared to those in the west bank and gaza (I live in the 3rd largest city in israel, Haifa), my parents are both middle-class Teachers (and excellent ones i might add). We're mostly discriminated rather than opressed, when it comes to funding, we're systimatically disriminated (and education becomes worse -> Upcoming generations become Worse -> What a nice way to dumb up arabs), not a single arab town has been set up since Israel was formed, though we're law obiding, we fullfil our civil duties, we work, we learn, we do all we do as all do.
The apartheid is in the West bank and Gaza, where tanks stand off main streets, where civil houses are taken down for 'security matters', where farmers' lands are ruined and people lose their income source. I can bring on so many real life stories, There's a true left winged, humain person in israel which writes for the Haaretz News paper, and every week he brings a true story, from the Occupied terretories, truly cruel.
Sure, some might say 'But they're defending themselfs', others would say 'We're just attacking the terrorists'. I say, Israel has been in the westbank and Gaza since 1967, even through the Oslo peace talks and implementations, they continued building Settlements, delaying and delaying, building even more settlements and nagotiations simply went into a dead stop. Friends and Rational folk, It is not a matter of Terror, it is not a matter of Security, It truly and honesty is, a simple matter of Occupation.
Why? Why did Israel occupy Lebanon for 40 years? 1,000 Soldiers (Israeli) Died, an opposition started in Israel to Stop the nonsense and they Withdrew from lebanon after Hizbullah kept Resisting the Israeli occupation. and get this! after 40 Years, they left this small Outpost, occupied which hizbulla still attacks, now, the UN said Israel fullfilled its part, so, I'm not going to get into that, but what the residents in Israel, which reside near the border outlooking Hizbulla say, On Israeli TV, is that they trust hizbullah's word more than their army, Hizbulla at the time declared, that if Israel started withdrawing, and withdrew from the occupied lands, they would not attack Israel, In its borders, At all. and they didn't.
So to answer the Why, Sharon was one who dremt about the Full Land of Israel, you can look that up at Google, basically a portion of israeli's believed in regaining all the land that was once the Issraeli Tribes / Empire / Whatever 2,000 years ago, thats one theory.
Another is the Barter issue, Israel wants more bartering cards for when the time is right.
Another is that Sharon is a bastard, who in the time was responsible for the slaughter in Sabra and Shatila in Lebanon (indirectly by not stopping the Christian radicals, oh and by the way, i'm christian if it matters to anyone), and was declared by a special Israeli court/cousil that he was not fit to ever be a minister of Defence ever again (and yet now he's prime minister)
Another is the need for War, get more money going from the US (yes, Israel is funded heavily by the US), keep things unpeaceful so the US has a nice lovely stronghold in the middle east outlooking all arab countries (Espionage is alright, because we're not at peace you see...), so, thats another option.
I'd like to believe that its somewhere within that range, the reasons by the way are not fiction, they are discussed in many forums in Israeli society as well as in the arab world.
No idea
See Lebanon, See all the reasons i mentioned above.
I have no buisness in your daily Jargon, Anti-semetic means What it means, Arabs are semetic and there for the Anti applies to them aswell.
Peaceful demonstrations, Violent demonstrations, Gurilla Attacks, ongoing peace talks, Israel is still occupying, it is OCCUPYING my friend, it is a BIT hard to lead a nation into better education, better status, healither life, if you're under occupation, I do not think you fully grasp the meaning of being occupied, I do not think you realize what it means to wake up and see a tank pointing towards your house, fully knowing that the army will not hesitate to bomb it for a Second if they had to, whether you were in there, or not. This has been going on for more than 40 years mate, not yesterday, not the day before, and entire Generation, from being Kids till growing up and becoming men and women.
anything more?
well said!
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actually the original partition was based on demographics of areas. the israelis were given a state that was entirely indefensible. you could say they got more land, but you should also notice that it was desert. more then 70% of the land given to israel was not arab owned. just remember that during all this time arab immigration into palestine was in regulated, even during periods which the british stopped jewish entrance. and of course the original partition was rejected by the palestinians.
just remember this was in context of arab mobs/groups who killed israelis year by year for decades, forcing israelis to band together for protection
once again, look at history where other occupied people did not resort to such tactics. they thought of their future instead of simple endless vengence. and all those people from indians to tibetans had far less reason to be occupied in the first place. all i see are endless justifications and excuses.
not well said. the term was created and defined to mean anti jew, you cannot twist the term from its definition. its common usage even supports this.
yup, and killed something like 25 thousand palestinians. of course its pretty hush about this, no revenge against fellow arabs.
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