Real corporate thugs - stealing hours worked

Michael

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This appals me:

"Altering of Worker Time Cards Spurs Growing Number of Suits"

There's a NY Times article today that investigates what they calim is a growing trend towards attendence records being altered and workers not paid for their hours worked.

NY Times Article - Free registration

Companies mentioned in the article were Toys R Us, Pep Boys, Walmart, and Family Dollar.

I won't post the whole article (copyright violation), but here's the lead paragraphs for discussion purposes:

"As a former member of the Air Force military police, as a play-by-the-rules guy, Drew Pooters said he was stunned by what he found his manager doing in the Toys "R" Us store in Albuquerque.

Inside a cramped office, he said, his manager was sitting at a computer and altering workers' time records, secretly deleting hours to cut their paychecks and fatten his store's bottom line.

"I told him, `That's not exactly legal,' " said Mr. Pooters, who ran the store's electronics department. "Then he out-and-out threatened me not to talk about what I saw."

Mr. Pooters quit, landing a job in 2002 managing a Family Dollar store, one of 5,100 in that discount chain. Top managers there ordered him not to let employees' total hours exceed a certain amount each week, and one day, he said, his district manager told him to use a trick to cut payroll: delete some employee hours electronically.

"I told her, `I'm not going to get involved in this,' " Mr. Pooters recalled, saying that when he refused, the district manager erased the hours herself.

Experts on compensation say that the illegal doctoring of hourly employees' time records is far more prevalent than most Americans believe. The practice, commonly called shaving time, is easily done and hard to detect ? a simple matter of computer keystrokes ? and has spurred a growing number of lawsuits and settlements against a wide range of businesses."

If the practice is as wide-spread as the article claims, I would expect swift and severe action by the government.

Michael

 

CADsortaGUY

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Yes, it is digusting. However I would expect swift and severe action by the employees first. I know when I was an hourly employee - I kept track of my hours so something like this wouldn't happen. The employees need to take charge of their employment and records but yes - this is NOT the employee's fault. I would suggest however that employees quit allowing these sorts of things to go on. How you ask? Well, for one - call them on it. Make sure that you are getting paid for every hour worked and if they won't pay - document it and turn their asses in. If the employees can't keep the employer honest in this regard - how do you expect the gov't to "fix" things?
Kudos to Mr. Pooters for standing up to his employers on this:) :beer:

CkG
 

Michael

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The government can fix this just like they fixed many of the problems with government contract charging (reference action taken against GE).

Make this such a horribly painful thing to happen for the corporation as a whole that the internal policies are given real teeth and enforced rather than just being mouthed.

It may be possible that the reporter is just being sensationalist and extrapolating across a few examples.

However, I worked in internal audit and internal controls jobs for years (including investigating this sort of crap) and if the Time and Attendence systems have that little checks and balances built in, I can easily see the abuse happening. It makes it real, real hard for the individual to "police" their hours as the system reports all back up what management is saying. Since they don't have a punch card to use as back-up, they have a problem.

Michael
 

Tripleshot

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Thank you for posting this Michael.

Ditto's, Michael.
A worker normally can only take this to the states labor commision for resolution, but the companies know that if they bring in their records, they win, as most people do not keep track of their hours, nor do they keep lawyer's on retainer. Keeping a job log is good practice if you suspect your time sheet is being doctored. State AG offices will prosecute this if it can be proven, and lisence suspension can result. States and Feds want your tax dollar and this is derived from your gross pay. If it is falsified, thats tax evasion.
 

dirtboy

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
"If it is falsified, thats tax evasion. "

Ha, that's a laugh, they have to pay taxes first for it to be evasion.

Probably referring to the evasion on the income tax that the employees would have paid on those wages that were taken away.
 

Tripleshot

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
"If it is falsified, thats tax evasion. "

Ha, that's a laugh, they have to pay taxes first for it to be evasion.


If income is not declared by the employer, don't you think that is a form of tax evasion? The IRS does. And Walmart and Toys r Us wouldn't be laughing, would they?
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tallest1

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*sigh* this reminds me of my last job. They made all us developers work overtime and then soon after, we're all let go WITHOUT A PAYCHECK. I swear, if I ever pass by my boss and his fancy BMW again.... :|
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: dirtboy
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
"If it is falsified, thats tax evasion. "

Ha, that's a laugh, they have to pay taxes first for it to be evasion.

Probably referring to the evasion on the income tax that the employees would have paid on those wages that were taken away.

Yes of course I realize that, it's further proof of them "evading" from every possible angle they can find.

Once upon a time the Mob had certain locations and Industries sewed up, now the Country is one Giant Mob controlled Conglomerate.

 

Spencer278

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Yes, it is digusting. However I would expect swift and severe action by the employees first. I know when I was an hourly employee - I kept track of my hours so something like this wouldn't happen. The employees need to take charge of their employment and records but yes - this is NOT the employee's fault. I would suggest however that employees quit allowing these sorts of things to go on. How you ask? Well, for one - call them on it. Make sure that you are getting paid for every hour worked and if they won't pay - document it and turn their asses in. If the employees can't keep the employer honest in this regard - how do you expect the gov't to "fix" things?
Kudos to Mr. Pooters for standing up to his employers on this:) :beer:

CkG

The goverment could easly fix the problem. Just require any electronic time card system print out when a employee punches in and when the punch out and give it to the employee.