Rant Real Catsup isn't made with Tomatoes!!!

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whm1974

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This is my gauntlet thrown on the ground in front of you damn peasants who uses Tomatoes Ketchup on anything and everything, even on Steak!!!:eek::eek::eek: Well you will now be corrected straight!!!

English Traders first tasted a Fermented fish/shellfish sauce from Asia and enjoyed it. They then tried to reproduce this product when they came back to the UK. First they came up with Mushroom, then Anchovies based Worcestershire sauce. Finally out came Walnut Ketchup.

Now proper Worcestershire sauce contains fermented Anchovies, so if the product doesn't have this - do not purchase the bottle, put it back!!! But the that is entirely another thread.

Now a challenge for you heathens. Look for Catsup that does not contain any tomatoes whatsoever and use it. As mention in the second paragraph, you can use ketchup made with the three ingredients listed or all three. Bonus points if you can find anything
with no added sugars. Extra credit if you made your own ketchup with same rules.

Now go forth and start using the real thing!!!
 
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Who the heck are you? ReeseDouglas the 3rd?

Your gauntlet? I gots a battle axe.

And an arsenal.

Motion for ban.
 
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highland145 said:
Who the heck are you? ReeseDouglas the 3rd?

Your gauntlet? I gots a battle axe.

And an arsenal.

Motion for ban.
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During the Dark Ages and Medieval Period Knights would throw down a gauntlet to challenge another knight to combat. Did you not know this, seriously? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
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whm1974 said:
This is my gauntlet thrown on the ground in front of you damn peasants who uses Tomatoes Ketchup on anything and everything, even on Steak!!!:eek::eek::eek: Well you will now be corrected straight!!!

English Traders first tasted a Fermented fish/shellfish sauce from Asia and enjoyed it. They then tried to reproduce this product when they came back to the UK. First they came up with Mushroom, then Anchovies based Worcestershire sauce. Finally out came Walnut Ketchup.

Now proper Worcestershire sauce contains fermented Anchovies, so if the product doesn't have this - do not purchase the bottle, put it back!!! But the that is entirely another thread.

Now a challenge for you heathens. Look for Catsup that does not contain any tomatoes whatsoever and use it. As mention in the second paragraph, you can use ketchup made with the three ingredients listed or all three. Bonus points if you can find anything
with no added sugars. Extra credit if you made your own ketchup with same rules.

Now go forth and start using the real thing!!!
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so...you're saying the English tried some kind of Asian sauce...and improved it? Gotcha.

Anchovies are only fit for use as bait...not human consumption.
 
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The tomato recipe just became the most popular one for whatever reason. There is no "Real recipe." It just so happens that mushroom was very popular for a generation or so, but that is also because many more bases were more common.

I have no idea how you find the other recipes these days (available, I mean)

I mean I could tell you that real Vodka isn't made from potatoes, never should be, and is actually a strong, thick, very herbal beverage that was basically used to cure every illness that was known...and that is both very true and more true than what you claim in the OP!

(potato Vodka was either...Kruschev and maybe even further back with Lenin, as a party mandate to allow one single recipe--because it was cheap and easy to reproduce. ...potato vodka or anything that is that pureish ethanol crap that is sold as Vodka today is just gross, tbh)
 
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BoomerD said:
so...you're saying the English tried some kind of Asian sauce...and improved it? Gotcha.

Anchovies are only fit for use as bait...not human consumption.
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Have you ever eaten a caesar salad? Anchovies

Puttanesca sauce? anchovies.

All caesar dressing is still made with anchovies, but I think it's less common to find a proper caesar salad that includes whole anchovy fillets (I mean, otherwise it's just lettuce and some parmasean? what's the point of that?)
 
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zinfamous said:
The tomato recipe just became the most popular one for whatever reason. There is no "Real recipe." It just so happens that mushroom was very popular for a generation or so, but that is also because many more bases were more common.

I have no idea how you find the other recipes these days (available, I mean)

I mean I could tell you that real Vodka isn't made from potatoes, never should be, and is actually a strong, thick, very herbal beverage that was basically used to cure every illness that was known...and that is both very true and more true than what you claim in the OP!

(potato Vodka was either...Kruschev and maybe even further back with Lenin, as a party mandate to allow one single recipe--because it was cheap and easy to reproduce. ...potato vodka or anything that is that pureish ethanol crap that is sold as Vodka today is just gross, tbh)
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dafuq you know all of this shit? I think your folks/uncles escaped from some place.

Yeah, some place.

Mine, not so much.:(
 
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zinfamous said:
Have you ever eaten a caesar salad? Anchovies

Puttanesca sauce? anchovies.

All caesar dressing is still made with anchovies, but I think it's less common to find a proper caesar salad that includes whole anchovy fillets (I mean, otherwise it's just lettuce and some parmasean? what's the point of that?)
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I DO NOT eat caesar salad...for exactly that reason. I don't think I've ever had puttanesca sauce...and I don't knowingly eat anything with rat turds...I mean capers either.
 
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highland145 said:
While you're using proper decorum, medieval occurred to your head. My axe thanks you.
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Countered by my bastard sword!!! And off went your head!!! Then I kick said head around like a soccer ball!

zinfamous said:
The tomato recipe just became the most popular one for whatever reason. There is no "Real recipe." It just so happens that mushroom was very popular for a generation or so, but that is also because many more bases were more common.
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Tomatoes were widely available and cheap. That is the only reason.
 
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highland145 said:
dafuq you know all of this shit? I think your folks/uncles escaped from some place.

Yeah, some place.

Mine, not so much.:(
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Literacy, I know it's a problem where you're from, so I don't blame you personally! :D

www.newyorker.com

Rediscovering Russia’s Lost Culinary Heritage

As a self-appointed guardian of authentic Russian fare, Maksim Syrnikov has a problem: Russians don’t hold Russian food in particularly high esteem.
www.newyorker.com www.newyorker.com

I don't know why I recall this article from 7 years ago, but it still sticks with me. Cool stuff, and I want to find the food this dude is working with
 
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highland145 said:
Had enough over seas?
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30+ years ago, my wife worked for a small business telephone company. Every year, they would hold a company fishing trip out of Monterey. We always went down the day before, got a room, got plenty of sleep, had a good, light breakfast before getting on the boat at around 0500. One trip, a couple of the managers went out drinking the night before...and were either hungover...or still shitfaced when we left the dock. We were out a few miles...bobbing and rolling on the swells...one of the managers...an absolute dickhead was getting greener and greener.
"Hey, Dave. You OK?" He replied, "not feeling too great." I told him, "I fish out here all the time. I have a sure-fire, guaranteed cure for seasickness."
He asked what it was...so I reached into the live bait tank and grabbed a big anchovie...took a bite...the head and about half the fish and started chewing...I offered him the other half.
That was it...he was bent over the rail chumming...and puked the rest of the trip. Occasionally he'd look at me and say, "you're a fucking asshole." i just grinned at him.

Once I got him going...I had to spit that nasty shit out before I puked. i REALLY hate anchovies.

Every time I'd see him after that, he'd give me a shitty look...I'd just smile...
 
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BoomerD said:
I DO NOT eat caesar salad...for exactly that reason. I don't think I've ever had puttanesca sauce...and I don't knowingly eat anything with rat turds...I mean capers either.
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damn, you're more cultured than I thought! You knew that capers were the other primary ingredient in Puttanesca!

Maybe you should cook for Highland some time.
 
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whm1974 said:
There is no such thing as a assault knife. Even if there were, the fake weapon would be defeated by my armor and shield. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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So 17th century.

How many of your Best can I slaughter. Heck, the airsoft is 400 fps and 1400 rounds per min. Your peeps can not withstand. Marshmallows weren't built for that.

:colbert;
 
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