Ready for another Battlestar Galactica reboot?

[Kev]

Skeptical about the reboot, but we'll see.



The weirdness starts at the end of season 1. If you didn't realize you were in for some weird stuff in the S1 finale, you weren't paying close enough attention. Let's not forget that Head Six flat out tells Baltar that she's an angel in S2. Most people didn't take that line seriously and thought the finale was surprising or something. Little stuff like that. I actually didn't pick up on that line until the 2nd time I watched it. The show is much more consistent if you watch it from the right perspective, which most that disliked the end did not. But, even the 2nd time around, I realized how they keep beating the drum of mythology, religion, spirituality, prophecy, etc. from the very start. I also particularly liked that they didn't explain everything in the show. Weird things happen, and you don't know any more than the confused, human characters do. Some things never get a hard explanation without necessarily feeling like they just trailed off.



Just remember that it's not actually a science fiction...it's a drama that talks more about god(s), mythology, religion, angels, etc. than science stuff (which, in many ways, the mythology IS real). Again, if you didn't pick up on that late S1 and throughout S2, you missed the point.

I personally loved how strange and epic things got in the end, yet at the same time very human, and it only gets better the more times you watch it (you can pick up on elements you missed earlier, and everything makes a lot more sense). S1 was boring, I thought, right up until the end. You'll see most people that didn't like how the show turned out tend to really like S1.

Strange and epic? It was a convoluted mess in the last season. The writers were making everything up as they went along. It was nonsense.

 

[Aharami]

will watch. I miss BSG!

 

[blankslate]

peoples hate of new trek is a little exaggerated. it was a decent movie, but way mainstream so it turned off the hard core crowd.

I'm a fan of ToS, TNG, and Star Trek in general and I found the new Star Trek movies to be good. At least J.J. Abrams took time to address the already established cannon and indicate that it remains untouched.

As for people who are hating on the new movies this onion video is a bit too accurate.
http://www.theonion.com/video/trekkies-bash-new-star-trek-film-as-fun-watchable,14333/


just saying.



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[roguerower]

Maybe a prequel about how the original world failed and the skinjobs escaped?

 

[wabbitslayer]

So this is the Glen Larsen project that's been kicking around for years.

been waiting a couple of dozen yahren for this

 

[blankslate]

Strange and epic? It was a convoluted mess in the last season. The writers were making everything up as they went along. It was nonsense.

I did like the ending. Remember the writers strike happened when the show was going on and at least they were able to recover somewhat.

Personally I liked the fact they found Earth a few millennia ago. I was half sure that would be part of the ending so maybe I'm biased in that regard.

I also liked the epilogue with the two "angels" in modern history. The way they talked about their "god" was a nice nod to other sci-fi such as John Varley's novel "Millenium"


Yes, there were some less than successful parts of the ending episodes such as the dead Raptor pilot's hand hitting the launch missiles button at the right time, but overall it was good show with interesting ideas.

Maybe a prequel about how the original world failed and the skinjobs escaped?

:thumbsup: for the Blade Runner reference



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[techs]

All the God/Religion stuff was there since middle of season 1.

The only people who think that religion wasn't a huge part of the series since the beginning are blind.

I think a lot of people missed the point. It wasn't religion it was:

Spoiler

the cycles had produced a machine so smart it was godlike. It was what was replaying and manipulating events for its own desire to get a different ending than destruction and hatred between man and machine. The machine was what Baltar and Six were talking about at the very end, saying the machine didn't like being referred to as god. Religion was just a tool of the machine because people and cylons thought about something that was so far advanced as gods and angels.

At least that's how I see the series and its religious references.

Of course that's my opinion.

 

[drebo]

IMO, they should reboot Lexx.

 

[Aharami]

I think a lot of people missed the point. It wasn't religion it was:

Spoiler

the cycles had produced a machine so smart it was godlike. It was what was replaying and manipulating events for its own desire to get a different ending than destruction and hatred between man and machine. The machine was what Baltar and Six were talking about at the very end, saying the machine didn't like being referred to as god. Religion was just a tool of the machine because people and cylons thought about something that was so far advanced as gods and angels.

At least that's how I see the series and its religious references.

Of course that's my opinion.

:thumbsup:

 

[Newell Steamer]

Michael Bay and JJ Abrams should direct this piece!

10 foot tall Cylons, with lazer cannons on their backs and wheels on their feet. They zip, zoom and zap all around the fucking place, as lense flair and explosions fill up the screen and your FACE!!

BOOOM-BA-BOOM-BA-BA-BOOOMMM!!!

Starbuck is played by a totally ripped Shaq. With metal spikes coming out of his knuckles. The ships are actually transforming bio suits that mold to the fighter pilot's bodies to make them super charged and ready for action,....

SIDEWAYS ACTION SHOT OF SHIP SUITS ZIPPING BY BLASTING THE CYLONS!!

And, no 6 is now played by Megan Fox.

BAM MOTHER FUCKERS!!

 

[blankslate]

It wasn't religion it was:

Spoiler

Well, that's the thing if a "machine" is powerful enough in processing power that it seems prescient might it not be in some manner a god?

Also considering the current hypothesis/theories about a possible multiverse. If a machine such as the one in the BSG universe gained enough knowledge to create a black hole and somehow manipulate the expansion of a new bubble universe might it not be in some sense be considered a Creator?

In other words to paraphrase Arthur C. Clarke "Sufficiently advanced technology will seem like magic to a less advanced civilization." or a "sufficiently advanced computer with access to sufficiently advanced capabilities might seem like a god to beings of limited capabilities."

I do like the interpretation that the cylon's god is (or started out as) just an incredibly powerful computer.

Although, I wonder if the Cylons created it or if possibly it's far older than they know and just took over an advanced supercomputer created by the Cylons and allowed them that illusion?

 

[blankslate]

Michael Bay and JJ Abrams should direct this piece!

JJ Abrams is no Stanley Kubrik, but he's above the level (or depths) that Michael Bay is at.


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[techs]

Spoiler

Well, that's the thing if a "machine" is powerful enough in processing power that it seems prescient might it not be in some manner a god?

Also considering the current hypothesis/theories about a possible multiverse. If a machine such as the one in the BSG universe gained enough knowledge to create a black hole and somehow manipulate the expansion of a new bubble universe might it not be in some sense be considered a Creator?

In other words to paraphrase Arthur C. Clarke "Sufficiently advanced technology will seem like magic to a less advanced civilization." or a "sufficiently advanced computer with access to sufficiently advanced capabilities might seem like a god to beings of limited capabilities."

I do like the interpretation that the cylon's god is (or started out as) just an incredibly powerful computer.

Although, I wonder if the Cylons created it or if possibly it's far older than they know and just took over an advanced supercomputer created by the Cylons and allowed them that illusion?

Spoiler

If you accept this explanation the BSG cycle failed to produce the desired result even though the remaining cylons left in peace at end and Ellen Tigh wondered if it would break the cycle.

If the new Larsen movie wanted to set their movie in the same universe they could hint that its taking place during the next cycle.

Caprica would be the new Kobol

 

[lupi]

I'll go with what mizzou said.


As for the 2nd tv series, I wouldn't even say the last season was "bad". But on the final episode from the moment where they finally play the notes from the former theme song while they drive the fleet into the sun, absolutely an absurd ending. Could have cut the film just before that point saying they had found newest caprica and I'd be happy.

 

[techs]

All this has happened before and it will happen again and again and again and again........!

 

[desura]

If they reboot it, it will likely suck and be a thinly veiled action vehicle lacking in any thoughtfulness.

At least continue some of the continuity. Set it in the same universe or something.

So BSG has a rep as a series that went off the rails, like Lost. I kinda agree. Thoughts on the last few seasons? I didn't mind the end so much, but a bunch of it really felt overwrought.

 

[mizzou]

If they reboot it, it will likely suck and be a thinly veiled action vehicle lacking in any thoughtfulness.

At least continue some of the continuity. Set it in the same universe or something.

So BSG has a rep as a series that went off the rails, like Lost. I kinda agree. Thoughts on the last few seasons? I didn't mind the end so much, but a bunch of it really felt overwrought.

Serious question. Do you think more fans like shows on stng about the war drums, or episodes that involved Troys mom?
my fav episodes were like the creepy halloweeen specialesque. The haunted enterprise was one of my absolute favs. That and the episodes centered around holodeck time.
Could you do a movie about holodeck fun time? I duno :\

 

[mrjminer]

Serious question. Do you think more fans like shows on stng about the war drums, or episodes that involved Troys mom?
my fav episodes were like the creepy halloweeen specialesque. The haunted enterprise was one of my absolute favs. That and the episodes centered around holodeck time.
Could you do a movie about holodeck fun time? I duno :\

I liked a couple of appearances by Troi's mom. The first appearance was good, and I thought the episode where her and Deanna were on-board the Ferengi vessel being held captive (though one could argue they were the real captors). I think the other few appearances were more annoying, but manageable.

Holodeck time is usually good. However, I think Dix and Holmes were slightly overused, probably by an episode each or so. I would have preferred those episodes go to a character that had little to no holodeck fun, like Deanna (maybe Broccoli's fantasy was all that she could endure of a holodeck, though that probably came too late in the series for that to be a reason) or maybe Riker (not a second Minuet; maybe something after his insanity episode would have been amusing).

You could easily do a movie about holodeck fun time.

 

[Ruptga]

You could easily do a movie about holodeck fun time.

I expected that would be a given since they already did that with an entire series, Enterprise.

 

[mrjminer]

I expected that would be a given since they already did that with an entire series, Enterprise.

I only watched the first season of that. After a couple of episodes into Season 2, I couldn't take it anymore

 

[mizzou]

i am a big stng fan...ill admit im not 100%eating up all the available lore, but i was an avid watcher when itcame out and i own all episodes, along wth some stng themed movies.

i liked ds9 but not enough to stomach rewatching the series from scratch.

I liked voyager, but ill never rewatch it.

i didnt watch much emterprise or original series (at least as an adult)

wasnt the original series pure camp anyway? ibalways thought having jj abrams direct was almost fitting to a degree.

 

[mrjminer]

i am a big stng fan...ill admit im not 100%eating up all the available lore, but i was an avid watcher when itcame out and i own all episodes, along wth some stng themed movies.

i liked ds9 but not enough to stomach rewatching the series from scratch.

I liked voyager, but ill never rewatch it.

i didnt watch much emterprise or original series (at least as an adult)

wasnt the original series pure camp anyway? ibalways thought having jj abrams direct was almost fitting to a degree.

The original series isn't pure camp. Watching it now, some episodes may seem that way, but most are serious. Definitely worth watching IMO, if you can get past how bad the effects can be (however, pretty amazing for their time, even early 80's "B" sci-fi movies don't have effects as good generally). Also, you have to get over Klingons basically being people painted with some brown makeup (this would be pre-Klingon forehead ridge era). Personally, I'd say to skip Enterprise.

 

[Ruptga]

I only watched the first season of that. After a couple of episodes into Season 2, I couldn't take it anymore

Oh, well, here's a spoiler.

Spoiler

The series finale was a holodeck program of Riker's. They tried to use that to tie the whole franchise together, but the actual effect was a mix of the feeling you get when Jar Jar shows up in Episode II, and the nerd rage of Lost's pointless series finale.

 

[mrjminer]

Oh, well, here's a spoiler.

Spoiler

The series finale was a holodeck program of Riker's. They tried to use that to tie the whole franchise together, but the actual effect was a mix of the feeling you get when Jar Jar shows up in Episode II, and the nerd rage of Lost's pointless series finale.

Good to know I made the right call

 

[silverpig]

Maybe a prequel about how the original world failed and the skinjobs escaped?

They already made and canceled that. Caprica.


I actually quite liked it and was sad it got canceled.