Read this before using 4 512 sticks of RAM.

[the cobbler]

Originally posted by: crispy2010

Originally posted by: the cobbler

Originally posted by: crispy2010

Originally posted by: Fresh Daemon

so the difference is quite a bit more than 25mhz RAM speed to say the least
much better performance at lower RAM speed and 1T vs. 2T at next divider up

Read the thread. Actual benchmarks don't show a noticeable difference. Sandra and Memtest aren't useful apps. Even in SuperPI, which does like fast memory, you can see for yourself that the difference is insignificant.

doesn't matter Winchester or Venice, etc.

only matters whether RAM is single or double-sided

i.e. double-sided RAM 4x512 on Venice=still DDR333

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Owned.

Lets not forget this post!

how many times do I have to say I was wrong? let it die and grow some class

All I am showing you is that in the pic that the link takes shows you that he is running 4 x 512 @ 400, your question was awnsered there!

omigod, sorry 😱, misread your intention there

duh, I didn't realize these were double-sided

thanks for clearing this all up for me guys🙂

 

[Leper Messiah]

Originally posted by: Shenkoa

Originally posted by: Avalon

Originally posted by: Shenkoa
Personally, I tested 1T setting and 2T settings and I could notice it right away. Benchmarks took a big hit.

Just my observation.



PLEASE STOP THE FLAME WARS!!!!!!

You're full of crap. You can't notice a 3% difference.

Yeah whatever dude, like you would know what I have seen with my PC LOL!!! :disgust:
There is a noticeable differents when I go from 1T to 2T, I see it most when the PC is booting. My best friend has a similar setup with a Venice and he told me himself that he can notice a differents. I dont where you got your information, I have seen the difference first hand and no @$$ hat will tell me any different.

you're the one being an asshat. wow, you can tell between a 30 second boot up and a 29 second bootup. Bullshi[/i]t. Me, avalon, Zebo, duvie, all respected (besides me, I guess) members of this forum say that the difference is minimal. It is up to you to provide a documented difference. Otherwise your words are just that, words.

 

[Shenkoa]

Originally posted by: Leper Messiah

Originally posted by: Shenkoa

Originally posted by: Avalon

Originally posted by: Shenkoa
Personally, I tested 1T setting and 2T settings and I could notice it right away. Benchmarks took a big hit.

Just my observation.



PLEASE STOP THE FLAME WARS!!!!!!

You're full of crap. You can't notice a 3% difference.

Yeah whatever dude, like you would know what I have seen with my PC LOL!!! :disgust:
There is a noticeable differents when I go from 1T to 2T, I see it most when the PC is booting. My best friend has a similar setup with a Venice and he told me himself that he can notice a differents. I dont where you got your information, I have seen the difference first hand and no @$$ hat will tell me any different.

you're the one being an asshat. wow, you can tell between a 30 second boot up and a 29 second bootup. Bullshi[/i]t. Me, avalon, Zebo, duvie, all respected (besides me, I guess) members of this forum say that the difference is minimal. It is up to you to provide a documented difference. Otherwise your words are just that, words.

You know, I can tell a differents in my PC and so can other people I know personally, I dont give a crap how respected you think you guys are. I am just saying what I have noticed. I dont need to prove anything to you or anyone else on this forum which I have found to be filled with jerks.

Dont beileve me, then 😛<==8

 

[Leper Messiah]

Originally posted by: Shenkoa

Originally posted by: Leper Messiah

Originally posted by: Shenkoa

Originally posted by: Avalon

Originally posted by: Shenkoa
Personally, I tested 1T setting and 2T settings and I could notice it right away. Benchmarks took a big hit.

Just my observation.



PLEASE STOP THE FLAME WARS!!!!!!

You're full of crap. You can't notice a 3% difference.

Yeah whatever dude, like you would know what I have seen with my PC LOL!!! :disgust:
There is a noticeable differents when I go from 1T to 2T, I see it most when the PC is booting. My best friend has a similar setup with a Venice and he told me himself that he can notice a differents. I dont where you got your information, I have seen the difference first hand and no @$$ hat will tell me any different.

you're the one being an asshat. wow, you can tell between a 30 second boot up and a 29 second bootup. Bullshi[/i]t. Me, avalon, Zebo, duvie, all respected (besides me, I guess) members of this forum say that the difference is minimal. It is up to you to provide a documented difference. Otherwise your words are just that, words.

You know, I can tell a differents in my PC and so can other people I know personally, I dont give a crap how respected you think you guys are. I am just saying what I have noticed. I dont need to prove anything to you or anyone else on this forum which I have found to be filled with jerks.

Dont beileve me, then 😛<==8

Then don't post your unsubstanciated opinions. People actually come here for advice. If you think we're all jerks then don't post here.

Until then, put your evidence where your mouth is.

 

[Shenkoa]

Opinions?????

I dont think so! I told you I see a difference using 2T AND I F!@#$%^ DO! OK? people dont have to take this advice because ITS NOT ADVICE, I was just posting what I found. My advice is on the first post of this thread.

Some people on this forum are nice, a lot of the people who have been here a while are cocky jerks but they can be ok sometimes.

 

[Leper Messiah]

Originally posted by: Shenkoa
Opinions?????

I dont think so! I told you I see a difference using 2T AND I F!@#$%^ DO! OK? people dont have to take this advice because ITS NOT ADVICE, I was just posting what I found.

Some people on this forum are nice, a lot of the people who have been here a while are cocky jerks but they can be ok sometimes.

Precisely. IT IS YOUR OPINION THAT 2T MAKES A DRAMATIC DIFFERENCE OVER 1T! Until you post some series of benchmarks, like others have showing this difference that you consider to be major, it is just an opinion. I should dig up the 1T/2T thread we had a while back and show you how small the difference is.

 

[Shenkoa]

Its no opinion, its fact !!!!! THAT I NOTICE A DIFFERENCE, rather it be me or just my weird PC, I can notice a differents.

Things seem to run slower, oh but its my opinion that things run slower even if its DAMN apparent to more then just myself.

Benchmarks on my PC!!

Sandra using 2T - RAM Bandwidth Int Buff?d ISSE2 ? 5113 MB/s
Sandra using 1T - RAM Bandwidth Int Buff?d ISSE2 ? 6386 MB/s

PCMark05 using 2T ? Score: 4112
PCMark05 using 1T - Score: 4524

On my PC

Venice 3200+ @ 2.6
512X2 DDR400 @ 433
MSI K8N Neo2

Do you want more of them, or is this just my opinion. I will supply pictures this evening when I get back from class.

 

[the cobbler]

slightly OT, but one thing I find to be strange is that my RAM was fine with my Winnie at 227mhz 2.5,3,3,6 1T.

but with my Venice, it is not stable at that speed at 1T, but is perfect at 2T and errors out almost instantly memtest86+ @2T

why would this be? issue of memory controllers, higher CPU speed (2.44ghz vs. 2.72ghz), or is my RAM possibly failing?

thx

 

[Markfw]

There may be a difference between neo2 and neo4 boards in this respect.

 

[Leper Messiah]

Originally posted by: Shenkoa
Its no opinion, its fact !!!!! THAT I NOTICE A DIFFERENCE, rather it be me or just my weird PC, I can notice a differents.

Things seem to run slower, oh but its my opinion that things run slower even if its DAMN apparent to more then just myself.

Benchmarks on my PC!!

Sandra using 2T - RAM Bandwidth Int Buff?d ISSE2 ? 5113 MB/s
Sandra using 1T - RAM Bandwidth Int Buff?d ISSE2 ? 6386 MB/s

PCMark05 using 2T ? Score: 4112
PCMark05 using 1T - Score: 4524

On my PC

Venice 3200+ @ 2.6
512X2 DDR400 @ 433
MSI K8N Neo2

Do you want more of them, or is this just my opinion. I will supply pictures this evening when I get back from class.

Try actually running some real world apps. I don't give a flying fvck in a rolling donut about how my PC performs in benchmark apps, its about how real world performance degrades.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Shenkoa
Its no opinion, its fact !!!!! THAT I NOTICE A DIFFERENCE, rather it be me or just my weird PC, I can notice a differents.

Things seem to run slower, oh but its my opinion that things run slower even if its DAMN apparent to more then just myself.

Benchmarks on my PC!!

Sandra using 2T - RAM Bandwidth Int Buff?d ISSE2 ? 5113 MB/s
Sandra using 1T - RAM Bandwidth Int Buff?d ISSE2 ? 6386 MB/s

PCMark05 using 2T ? Score: 4112
PCMark05 using 1T - Score: 4524

On my PC

Venice 3200+ @ 2.6
512X2 DDR400 @ 433
MSI K8N Neo2

Do you want more of them, or is this just my opinion. I will supply pictures this evening when I get back from class.

Search Xbit labs. I think they had an article that showed the performance loss 2T gave. Equaled around 5%, which is like 200 MHZ in many situation 🙂.

 

[Shenkoa]

5% is still a loss.

Benchmarks added.

 

[deadseasquirrel]

Originally posted by: Shenkoa
5% is still a loss.

It's more like 2% or less in actual 3d games.

Either way, if someone has NO ram and needs ram, and has a desire to get 2GB of ram, I think 2 x 1GB sticks would be the wise choice.

However, anyone holding 2 sticks of 512MB shouldn't feel like they need to get rid of their ram and buy 2 new sticks. Performance loss is almost nothing, and with all the people out there that think they'll cripple their PC with 4 sticks, you should be able to find 2 512MB sticks for dirt cheap. But if money is no object, go ahead and get new ram.

 

[Sqube]

I really wish that I'd seen this thread before I ponied up for my RAM... 🙁

 

[xenolith]

I can notice a dramatic difference in how long the sun is up from one day to the next. And no @$$ hat will tell me any different. 😛

 

[Shenkoa]

For an enthusiast, 5% slower is bad

 

[christoph83]

Since it's not 5% you have nothing to worry about Shenkoa.

Read

Zebo's Thread: link

X-bit Labs Test : link

If you remember the comparisons of newcastle a64 3000 vs winchester a64 3000 when dual channel AMD's came out. The dual channel ram added about a 8-10% boost to balance out the 200 mhz loss.
A 3% real world loss in performance is more like 50-70mhz tops. This makes sense considering your losing about 33% of memory bandwith added from dual channel by going 2T. 33% of 8-10% = 3% which reflects the real world benchmarks seen here.

 

[Shenkoa]

Look at the front of this thread where I have posted benchmarks.

 

[xenolith]

So which synth benchmark does everyone like to play the most? I can't decide if I like Code Creatures or PCMark05.

Shenkoa, you left out 3DMark03, that used to be may favorite... used to play it for days at time when it was first released... couldn't put it down. Real games like BF2 and HL2 are for @$$hats. 😛

 

[Shenkoa]

3D Mark03 is an @$$ hat because its more of a measurement of your video card's performance.

 

[deadseasquirrel]

Originally posted by: Shenkoa
3D Mark03 is an @$$ hat because its more of a measurement of your video card's performance.

.... which is exactly the point. 3d gaming performance depends on your video card's performance a whole lot more than whether your ram is running 1T or 2. Benchmark some actual games and you will see there is extremely little (or even no) performance loss with 2T.

 

[damelon]

I'm running 4x512 Corsair XMS 3200 XL-Pro modules on my ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe with an FX-57. CPU-Z shows my memory timings (default) as 166mhz, 2.5 cas, 3 RAS-CAS, 3 RAS Precharge, 5 Tras, ... So I take it it downgraded my ram. I was able to up it to DDR400 and am running prime95 now to test, but do I want to make other changes as well? Is it better to take out 2x of the dimms? Fix me! hehe.

What should I do to get it set right? The new bios for this MB adds a bunch of extra memory settings I've never seen before. Plus am I going to need to manually set the voltage on the DRAM to manually make changes?

Also, should I modify the timings? Do I want to set it to 1T from 2T? How would I adjust the DDR speed and timings if I did that?

 

[CheesePoofs]

Your memory should already be set to 2T, they enable 2T by default when they detect 4 sticks of ram. Raising the memory speed to DDR400 is really all you can do. You should test with more than prime95, though, especially if you're testing the memory. Run memtest overnight and also superpi a few times.

 

[uOpt]

Actual benchmarks of 1T versus 2T:

http://cracauer-forum.cons.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=65#65

For detailed information on the tests click on the "return to index" link and go to the FAQ.

 

[Shenkoa]

Originally posted by: deadseasquirrel

Originally posted by: Shenkoa
3D Mark03 is an @$$ hat because its more of a measurement of your video card's performance.

.... which is exactly the point. 3d gaming performance depends on your video card's performance a whole lot more than whether your ram is running 1T or 2. Benchmark some actual games and you will see there is extremely little (or even no) performance loss with 2T.

The same cant be said with older games such as quake 3 or UT, where your CPU means the most.

The point is, if you can avoid running at 2T then do so by all means.