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[herkulease]

Originally posted by: Tal

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Yup. I've heard all about how the real cancers of society are the rich. They are slowly eroding our society. Taking from the poor like the Sheriif of Nottingham. You want to increase welfare? Make it a separate increased welfare benefits bill. Don't fake generosity for the poor. Aren't a lot of the tax cuts proposed usually a fairly straight percentage? Seems like if the rich pay in more to begin with, they should get more if we cut taxes. I don't consider that a Rich tax cut. They pay a sh1t load more than we do to begin with. Who did you see that was rich on TV saying they don't need the money? Did they also say that they were gonna give it back? haha. Welfare is welfare. As someone stated earlier. I'm not opposed to programs to help people out. I'm opposed to people like one of my relatives who has 4 kids and is living in a trailer waiting to get approved for social security. That's his new scam. He is claiming Bi-polar. There isn't a damn thing wrong with him. He is a strong healthy guy who could work if he wanted to. He's lazy. Lazy. I've helped him out and tried to get him working, but alas, the alure of sitting around smoking dope is too strong. He will get this new taxbreak and I'm pretty sure it won't go towards improving his situation or towards ensuring that his kids have decent clothes to wear. When I was there last week, his daughter was running around in a big shirt and talking about how her parents didn't buy her any pajamas. Say what you will, but this is why we don't need to give Taxbreaks to people that don't pay taxes. The republicans were wrong to capitulate to the dems demands for this type of cut, and it shows a lack of integrity and a concern for polls that shouldn't be the deciding factor in a vote. -Tal

I agree tax cut is not aimed at the rich. But democrats try to make it out that way. The funniest comparison they ever threw out was comparing what the refund check of a person making 1 million a year to a person that's making 45K. It is a ridiculous comparision, the guy makes 22 times more, of course the rich guy will get more. It for one makes more, and pays more taxes. But you can bet there are thousands of people who bought that comparison.

For some reason I don't know why the Democrats as of late are playing the social card.

As for your relative I having nothing to say other than there's too many people in this country who are happy to just sit there waiting for a govt handout. With all the red tape cracking down on it would hardly save anything.

As for the would be budget surplus. I find those number to nothing more than fake numbers. It was under the presumption the govt would spend the same, tax revenue would continue to come in at about the same rate. Obviously it can't happen. the economy began to turn down before bush came in. but the govt likes to spend.

I think the biggest problem to budget problems start from the top. I like George but we have to realize these politicans are getting paid too much. There are 538 representives and senators making base salary of 150K. the leaders make more obviously. but that 80.6 million a year. Not including benefits they recieve. Bush makes 400K + 50K expense account, chenay makes 186K base. There's there's the mass of other govt officials. Doesn't even count the money they get for apperances, books etc.

that's just Washington, then there's our own individual states. Its not this administration its been going on for years. The politicians should not be making this much money and then go make policies that help them win votes than help everyone. Then they are allowed to pull crap like a filibuster. Its ridiculous.

Down to every politician at any level who wants to use social class as a means to gain or keep office.

 

[Tal]

Originally posted by: herkulease

Originally posted by: Tal

Down to every politician at any level who wants to use social class as a means to gain or keep office.

Amen.

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: Tal

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: Tal

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: charrison
Let the service and tax cuts continue. It is time for the federal goverment to determine what is important and what is not. Give the goverment an unlimited budget and they will spend it, restrict it and they are forced to make choices.

So far their choices have been confined to a tax cut for the rich and a war and another tax cut for the rich.

haha. Do you even know any rich people BOBDN? Ever seen one? Damn evil richers. We don't like you rich people. Stupid Richy-rich.

This makes you sound like a whiner. How jealous are you that you aren't rich? I'm sorry you haven't had any good ideas on how to make money, but let's not revert to the socialism and wealth redistribution that has worked so well in the USSR.

HAHA YEAH. I never seen no rich folks before. I wonder what they look like? I never knowed any neither. I liked that Richie Rich boy you mentioned though. He was a right nice cartoon character.

My post stated, "So far their choices have been confined to a tax cut for the rich and a war and another tax cut for the rich." If you'ver read any newspapers or seen the evening news or even just listened to radio news you must have heard Bush's tax cuts referred to as such.

Everyone opposed to the latest cut, those people who forced the irresponsible measure to be cut in half, those who oppose tax cuts that are targeted at the rich - people who really don't need the money other than as a contribution to their political benefactor - while the federal deficit skyrockets to record breaking proportions, people who opposed anther tax cut targeted to the rich while our nation is at "war,"referred to it as such. A tax cut targeted to the wealthiest 10% of Americans. Rich people.

I've even seen rich folks on the TV set saying as how they don't need this here tax cut!

Currently the Democrats insisted on including the poorest families with children - those the Republicans left out of the measure - in the tax cut. And for a few hundred dollars some people are complaining about it like they're getting root canal! Now the Republicans insist on including another $22 billion in the measure (I wonder who that's earmarked for) if the poor are included. Hmmm.....not to blatant. \

Maybe you're right. They aren't emptying the treasury and filling their pockets! They're helping reach the goal of smaller government. As they increase the size of the Department of Homeland Security and invade our private lives.

Yup. I've heard all about how the real cancers of society are the rich. They are slowly eroding our society. Taking from the poor like the Sheriif of Nottingham. You want to increase welfare? Make it a separate increased welfare benefits bill. Don't fake generosity for the poor. Aren't a lot of the tax cuts proposed usually a fairly straight percentage? Seems like if the rich pay in more to begin with, they should get more if we cut taxes. I don't consider that a Rich tax cut. They pay a sh1t load more than we do to begin with. Who did you see that was rich on TV saying they don't need the money? Did they also say that they were gonna give it back? haha. Welfare is welfare. As someone stated earlier. I'm not opposed to programs to help people out. I'm opposed to people like one of my relatives who has 4 kids and is living in a trailer waiting to get approved for social security. That's his new scam. He is claiming Bi-polar. There isn't a damn thing wrong with him. He is a strong healthy guy who could work if he wanted to. He's lazy. Lazy. I've helped him out and tried to get him working, but alas, the alure of sitting around smoking dope is too strong. He will get this new taxbreak and I'm pretty sure it won't go towards improving his situation or towards ensuring that his kids have decent clothes to wear. When I was there last week, his daughter was running around in a big shirt and talking about how her parents didn't buy her any pajamas. Say what you will, but this is why we don't need to give Taxbreaks to people that don't pay taxes. The republicans were wrong to capitulate to the dems demands for this type of cut, and it shows a lack of integrity and a concern for polls that shouldn't be the deciding factor in a vote. -Tal

Stop projecting your personal family problems on society.

 

[LunarRay]

Folks an economic stimuli package must be some how directed to effect the desired result. This is not a fairness test. In order to get the economy going one must accept the statistical spending habits of the population. To do otherwise would not have the desired result. How or who paid what tax is not relevant. It is how who will use the disposable (?) income and nothing more.

 

[Tal]

Originally posted by: BOBDN


Stop projecting your personal family problems on society.

Nice. pithy. Helpful to the topic? Nope. consistantly you strike out BOB. I think I'll just start a thread with some random article I came across. -Tal

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: Tal

Originally posted by: BOBDN


Stop projecting your personal family problems on society.

Nice. pithy. Helpful to the topic? Nope. consistantly you strike out BOB. I think I'll just start a thread with some random article I came across. -Tal

Why not? It's your right.

Post some random article. Only how will we be able to tell it apart from any of your other posts?

I'm tired of hearing about the no good side of the family, dude. Where I come from we don't trash our own family in public.

 

[LunarRay]

The Congressional Democrats ought to argue that the folks who are getting the funds contained in the Stimulus Package won't effect the expected results... and do so with their own economic models.. Poor Uncle Pete may infact be the type person most likely to spend $ on or where the Bush model wishes it be spent. The arguemnet should be on the model used and the fallacy of it.... I think!

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: Tal

Originally posted by: BOBDN

If we never invaded Iraq on false pretences in the first place we wouldn't be able to abandon the country.

Strange although that we could find all that money for a "war" concocted by Bush and Co. but there is none for social programs as you call them.

I don't consider social programs a problem. The majority of social programs benefit middle class working Americans. You do realize welfare as we knew it is dead, right? IMO the only people who don't like social programs are people too wealthy to need them. Because almost everyone else needs them sooner or later in this life in one form or another.

Give me some examples. I do think of welfare. Free something or other for people. What kind of programs could I as a middle class citizen benefit from?

Kids in college and you couldn't manage to save up that $250,000? College loan programs. Buying your first home? Federal home loans. Your hometown need a bit of freshening up? Aid to cities. Have a medical problem that put you flat on your back for a while? Social Security disability. Need a job? Unemployment compensation. Have a problem with an employer? Department of Labor. Like the outdoors? Parks department. Do you think all these programs only benefit those poor people conservatives love to hate?

There are many programs that benefit corporations and farmers as well.

I think your attitude toward government and citizens can be summed up as, "Let them eat cake."

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: herkulease

Originally posted by: Tal

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Yup. I've heard all about how the real cancers of society are the rich. They are slowly eroding our society. Taking from the poor like the Sheriif of Nottingham. You want to increase welfare? Make it a separate increased welfare benefits bill. Don't fake generosity for the poor. Aren't a lot of the tax cuts proposed usually a fairly straight percentage? Seems like if the rich pay in more to begin with, they should get more if we cut taxes. I don't consider that a Rich tax cut. They pay a sh1t load more than we do to begin with. Who did you see that was rich on TV saying they don't need the money? Did they also say that they were gonna give it back? haha. Welfare is welfare. As someone stated earlier. I'm not opposed to programs to help people out. I'm opposed to people like one of my relatives who has 4 kids and is living in a trailer waiting to get approved for social security. That's his new scam. He is claiming Bi-polar. There isn't a damn thing wrong with him. He is a strong healthy guy who could work if he wanted to. He's lazy. Lazy. I've helped him out and tried to get him working, but alas, the alure of sitting around smoking dope is too strong. He will get this new taxbreak and I'm pretty sure it won't go towards improving his situation or towards ensuring that his kids have decent clothes to wear. When I was there last week, his daughter was running around in a big shirt and talking about how her parents didn't buy her any pajamas. Say what you will, but this is why we don't need to give Taxbreaks to people that don't pay taxes. The republicans were wrong to capitulate to the dems demands for this type of cut, and it shows a lack of integrity and a concern for polls that shouldn't be the deciding factor in a vote. -Tal

I agree tax cut is not aimed at the rich. But democrats try to make it out that way. The funniest comparison they ever threw out was comparing what the refund check of a person making 1 million a year to a person that's making 45K. It is a ridiculous comparision, the guy makes 22 times more, of course the rich guy will get more. It for one makes more, and pays more taxes. But you can bet there are thousands of people who bought that comparison.

For some reason I don't know why the Democrats as of late are playing the social card.

As for your relative I having nothing to say other than there's too many people in this country who are happy to just sit there waiting for a govt handout. With all the red tape cracking down on it would hardly save anything.

As for the would be budget surplus. I find those number to nothing more than fake numbers. It was under the presumption the govt would spend the same, tax revenue would continue to come in at about the same rate. Obviously it can't happen. the economy began to turn down before bush came in. but the govt likes to spend.

I think the biggest problem to budget problems start from the top. I like George but we have to realize these politicans are getting paid too much. There are 538 representives and senators making base salary of 150K. the leaders make more obviously. but that 80.6 million a year. Not including benefits they recieve. Bush makes 400K + 50K expense account, chenay makes 186K base. There's there's the mass of other govt officials. Doesn't even count the money they get for apperances, books etc.

that's just Washington, then there's our own individual states. Its not this administration its been going on for years. The politicians should not be making this much money and then go make policies that help them win votes than help everyone. Then they are allowed to pull crap like a filibuster. Its ridiculous.

Down to every politician at any level who wants to use social class as a means to gain or keep office.

just go by %, if you made 50,000 you got about a half % cut, if you made over 250,000, you start to hit the 4-5% margin, so do you want 1/2% of 50,000 or 5% of 250,000?

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: Alistar7 just go by %, if you made 50,000 you got about a half % cut, if you made over 250,000, you start to hit the 4-5% margin, so do you want 1/2% of 50,000 or 5% of 250,000?

Aside from the raw numbers what does a second such tax cut say about us as a society? What political philosophy does one follow that preaches disregard of a federal deficit in the trillions of dollars in order to make life a little easier for the top segment of society? If we follow this course are we any better than the nations we criticize?

 

[LunarRay]

I have decided that the taxes paid by rich folks goes for the bombs and other munitions purchased and exploded in the mid east sand... if you want tax dollars refunded then go get the fragments and sell as scrap.. the social programs are paid by the highway tax fund.