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I really wanted to see the part of the new gaming benchmarks where Anand boards a griffin in World of Warcraft and flies from Theramore to Auberdine and then alt tabs out and does something else for 20 minutes, like reading threads on Anandtech while listening to iTunes. A real world example that I'd be really interested in seeing. :)
 

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Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Originally posted by: Alastria
Anyone see the this article at The Inquirer?: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=22332

He's basically calling out Anand, and says Anand's a sellout and his reviews are for sale. Yikes.

Rebuttal?
Seeing as my man Anand was waiting for another NDA to expire and has gaming benchies posted! I'd say the Inq dick is a clueless loser who needs a good ass whupin'! :light:

He has the gaming multitasking benchies that assclown was babbling about too! eat that ya forking Inq hack

Actually the Inq is "spot-on" regarding the HW site-reviewing industry; it is quite "corrupted" - fortunately, Anand DOES "buck the trend" :)

. . . . i also independently wondered about Anand's review UNTIL i saw it was PART "A" :p

What's the Inq guy gonna say? i am hoping he has enough moral character to APOLOGIZE to Anand . i do read his site - he had been very accurate regarding forthcoming offerings from ATI/nVidia. ;)

The inq article is not on the main page . . . guess they got the messageHere is is, in case you missed it . . . (it's accurate EXCEPT about AT):
#$*^ rant ^h^h^^h^^ up, yup Hardware Rant

Bridges burned aplenty

By Charlie Demerjian: Tuesday 05 April 2005, 04:10

I WAS PLANNING on going to sleep early tonight, and checked my email and a few sites before I went to sleep. Bad move, I am now to0 angry to sleep, so it is time to rant, and get a few things off my chest, all while outing a few dirty internet secrets.

It all comes down to this, the hardware review world is going to hell in a hand basket, and the reasons are money, stupidity, and PR people that are too effective. Low morals on the part of many in the scene are also to blame, but they only contribute to the problem.

One of the nice things about working for The INQ is that you are not only dissuaded from ever signing an NDA, but you are strictly forbidden from doing it. While this may seem like a stupid thing on the surface, it is probably the best thing that can happen to a hardware person. It takes one of the biggest levers away from the unscrupulous PR and industry people. As an aside, I would say that the vast majority of PR people and hardware companies are above the board, good and solid people, but it does not take many to spoil the entire industry.

The no NDA rule pretty much rules out that. The INQ will bring you reviews the second that the products come out, people won't send us things if they know we will scoop everyone else. Fair enough, they are right. This also affords us the ability to tell you about things first if we can find out about them. Things are not handed to us on a silver platter, but there is also no ability for a company to say no. Additionally, the things we find tend not to be spun so hard they warp space around them. Net result, you win, and tend to get the truth, or at least not a slightly reworded press release from us.

Hardware sites are also known to the companies and PR firms to be either docile ass-kissers, or, well, not. The docile ones are the ones you want to use to get a story out, especially if the story is not all that good if measured against the unvarnished facts. The docile sites are the ones that get the sneak peaks, exclusives and perks that few others tend to get. Some are too stupid to do more than reword press releases and swipe slides from PDFs, others are flat out bought. It does not take a genius to figure out which sites fall into which categories.

You notice I said bought. If you have any doubts, let me tell you, the current hardware review site industry is flat out for sale. The higher up you go, the fewer exceptions to the rule there are. Some sites are directly for sale, I am sure you have seen it, it is a hard thing to miss. It works like this, when an NDA expires, there are 10 or so reviews of a new chip, board or widget. Most use the same benchmark set, or at least most of the sites have a fair number of benches in common, it is really hard to avoid a Doom3 bench. 90% of the sites will have a similar result, part A beats part B in commonly used apps, with A winning 80%, B winning 20%.

One site will have the opposite result, and come up with a bunch of new benches, most of which tend to be very curious. Some are games that you wonder why they are included, some are just odd. End result, product B wins by a lot, and goes against the grain, common sense, and good taste. If you are wondering, someone really did just make a lot of money.

The bribery takes several forms, the first is pretty basic, you send a check in with a review. These tend to be the easiest to spot, if you spend $20K or so, you are going to make it pretty good for your product. Sometimes it isn't as blatant, and the site gets to conduct and write the review the manufacturer designed.

The next one is more subtle, you pay us and you get veto rights to a story that we are doing. If you do in essence pay for the story, and then decline to have it published, you don't the money back, but the site owner probably gets a shiny new car. This may seem less harmful, but I think it is more insidious. Closely related is the false separation of the editorial side of the business from the advertising side. The ad side acts as the gatekeeper, but ostensibly has no direct control of the stories. If you want your product in the next roundup, you better have an ad campaign already paid for.

This separation, while it sounds less sleazy, tends to lead to flat out bribes in really short order. I know of several sites who take this route, and it is really laughable how they try to spin this as 'we don't take bribes'.

The industry basically comes down to three things, the stupid, the for sale, and the meek, and combinations thereof. The players on the other side of the hardware reviews all know who is who, and who to go to to get the message they want out, when they want, how they want. That is why our industry is so fundamentally broken, they are always better funded than we are, and usually better organized. The fact that many sites go out of their way to help the bad side of the PR world only makes the corruption easier.

Several sites are shining beacons of abjectly not selling out, and not regurgitating spun information in frankly demeaning ways. They tend to have the hardest time of it, ending up not getting comments from the companies, having to buy their own hardware to review, and worse yet, not getting ad dollars. The sites and people in the industry that stand up sadly don't tend to last.

It couldn't be all that bad, can it? Well yes, it is, and I have witnessed most of it personally, and the rest I have heard from to many trusted sources to disbelieve. It really sucks when someone tries to hand you more cash than you have had in your bank account for the last 6 months, and you have to turn it down. How do I know, I have done it. I have also had more than enough companies with good, honest PR people tell me who is for sale, and the names all center around a small group of sites and people. If I had anyone who was willing to go on the record, I would dearly love to publish names, but the combination of being blacklisted and the inevitable lawsuits are more than enough to cower most people.

If you look, several candidates float to the top of this sewer. Some are the stupid, some are the for sale, some offer nothing more than press releases. Some do rock the boat, and tell the truth even when it is clearly not in their best interest. I feel their pain, having been shut out more than my fair share of times.

Here's something else that got my goat. The dual core release today. The two reviews I read, both on major hardware sites, were so flawed it was laughable. The first was an update so riddled with factual errors that it was laughable. Not complex errors that are forgivable, but well known facts, previously released, that make my head hurt. The person who wrote this story must simply be a moron, and the person who moves his lips for him when he reads must have the technical sense of your average brick. It physically hurt to read.

The next one was a review in full, or at least in half. It was stated that it was given as a special preview to the site, which set off warning bells number 1-3 in my head. It purportedly put up the dual core gaming chip against the single core gaming chip predecessor, and also against the gaming chip from the competition. It looked to be a great job, with lots of benchmarks, and an attempt to start up a new way of benchmarking in an environment with multiple tasks running. Cool, finally something worth reading.

To step sideways a bit, the current dual core chips are all going to suck on games regardless of whether they come from Intel or AMD. Both are heat limited and will debut several clock bins below their single core counterparts. The Intel side also takes a step backward in bus speed because of the added loads on the bus. All these are engineering realities, and in no way diminish the really great jobs both companies are doing to bring dual cores to the masses.

It does mean however that until software catches up, most likely not this year, that gaming is going to suck on them. They will cost more, take more power, and be a status symbol for the rich and stupid, but their frame rates will blow dead goats. On multitasking and multithreaded apps, they will shine like the sun, but how many of these are there? How many times do you encode a movie while typing a document, zipping your C drive, doing some heavy CFD work all while listening to a few MP3s? Yeah, me neither, but at least 3DSMax and photoshop will rock on the new chips.

Getting back to reality, imagine my surprise when I saw that this new preview studiously avoided games. They are testing two of the most popular gaming chips out there, and the heir to the throne, and they did not put in one single game benchmark. Not one, think about that.

In the rebuttal to this, there will be the usual cries of 'we were not testing gaming performance' or some such bullsh*t ass covering, but here is the truth, if you are going to multitask and do and do anything that tasks both of the CPUs, one of those is going to be a game.

If you read up on the benchmarks posited by the current crop of reviews, how many are things you do regularly? How many fit the a scenario that you have ever found yourself in? How many of you would do seven things concurrently if you had seven things to do rather than do one or two at a time, and probably end up at the finish line first? The human mind does not multitask well, so 19 active windows is 17 or 18 more than you really can use at once.

The simple fact is that these chips suck on games, so the preview was done either implicitly, explicitly, or with bushels of cash, but it was done is a very deliberate fashion. And you probably believed it. Think I am full of crap? Look at how many reviews the top sites did before today of either CPUs or GPUs, and count the numbers that had zero games. Count the number that did not even speculate about gaming performance. See a pattern? Toss in a few factual oddities, stretchings of the truth at the most innocent, and you have a wonderfully deniable bending of the truth with a purpose.

The whole affair today typifies everything I think is wrong with the industry. I didn't name names, post links, or lay blame directly on purpose. To be honest, this time I have no proof. People have tried to bribe me, people have tried to get me to write things they want written, and people have tried to cower me. I have told them all that they possess more than enough orifices to place their ideals.

Today's crop of stories goes to graphically show who is either tame, openly influenced, or flat out bought. Read all the previews one after another, the patterns you see really are there, and the reasons they are there are as bad as you fear. Toss in that a couple of sites who you would have thought should get CPUs didn't, and you have the makings of a conspiracy. It isn't one though.

Well, that is enough venting for now. If I can't get to sleep after all this time, I can always stick my head out the window and scream until I get arrested. Hardware reviewers are going bad fast, and there are precious few left. I applaud the good ones, and decry the rest, hopefully in a way that makes things a little bit better. µ
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Who cares about gaming? This is about multitasking and that's golden. Game performance is adequate and with displays approaching 3 megapixels becoming common, the GPU is the bottleneck not the CPU.

Personally I cannot wait for quad core units. :D

 

Rand

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Originally posted by: pm
I really wanted to see the part of the new gaming benchmarks where Anand boards a griffin in World of Warcraft and flies from Theramore to Auberdine and then alt tabs out and does something else for 20 minutes, like reading threads on Anandtech while listening to iTunes. A real world example that I'd be really interested in seeing. :)

I don't know about WOW, as I don't play it at all so I haven't a clue how it runs but I do that on my A64 @ 2.65GHz regularly with no noticeable performance degredation... can't say as I had any problems doing that on my P4C @ 2.8GHz either.
The game (Generally single player RPG's) just sits idle in the background, and I can alt-tab out and do whatever else I want.

I'm guessing with MMORPG's, or WOW in specific even when you alt-tab out the game is still actively running?
 

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: her34
what OS do you need to take advantage of dual core?

WinXP - pro

XP Home should be fine as well, WinXP counts licensing by Sockets... so you can throw in a P4D 3.2 EE w/HT on XP Home and run it just fine.
You wouldn't be able to use two Xeon's/Opteron's/AthlonMP's though, which XP home will allow you to do.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Rand
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: her34
what OS do you need to take advantage of dual core?

WinXP - pro

XP Home should be fine as well, WinXP counts licensing by Sockets... so you can throw in a P4D 3.2 EE w/HT on XP Home and run it just fine.
You wouldn't be able to use two Xeon's/Opteron's/AthlonMP's though, which XP home will allow you to do.

Are you sure? . . . . currently XP Pro supports HT while Home does not . . . .
 
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From the Inq article:

Here's something else that got my goat....

Something that gets my "goat" is a supposed professional writer that doesn't know the proper word is "goad."

What a moron. :roll:

Any Aussie will tell you anyone who get's their "goat" is probably from New Zealand. ;)
 

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
From the Inq article:

Here's something else that got my goat....
Something that gets my "goat" is a supposed professional writer that doesn't know the proper word is "goad."

He's using the phrase correctly - it's slang for "gets me annoyed". I'm not sure if it's British or not (the Inquirer is a British website), but I've heard the phrase before - if not exactly had occassion to use it.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipd/A0459225.html

I'm guessing with MMORPG's, or WOW in specific even when you alt-tab out the game is still actively running?
Well, it must be since you are still moving in the game... but I think you are right. I don't think that it takes up sufficient CPU resources to be an issue. I think the server updates and the client is on hold. The other night when I was alt-tabbed in WoW and decided to rotate about 50 5MP photos 90 degrees, I noticed it. :) I think it was a memory issue though.

It just seemed funny to me to run these tests of backgrounded stuff. I was thinking that I usually don't run things in the background of games, but I often run games in the background. And not a night goes by that I don't alt-tab out of WoW to surf the web while waiting for something in WoW to happen.
 
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Originally posted by: pm
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
From the Inq article:

Here's something else that got my goat....
Something that gets my "goat" is a supposed professional writer that doesn't know the proper word is "goad."

He's using the phrase correctly - it's slang for "gets me annoyed". I'm not sure if it's British or not (the Inquirer is a British website), but I've heard the phrase before - if not exactly had occassion to use it.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipd/A0459225.html
Supposedly "goat is an old prison term for anger, or so the claim goes. More likely though, the following is the explanation:

http://www.joe-ks.com/phrases/phrasesG.htm

Get one's goat
Meaning: Invoke an angry and emotional response; to aggravate, irritate or annoy.
Example: People in cars often provide hand signals to communicate their dissatisfaction with your driving. They are trying to get your goat, so just smile and wave.
Origin: This may be a mispronunciation of "get your goad". A goad is a pointed rod used to urge on livestock. A modern equivalent of a goad is the cattle prod.
To goad is to stimulate into action. The phrase "goad you on" comes to mind. To "get your goat (goad)" then is to be successful in stimulating a response.

Alternative: The word gut down through the years was altered to goat. When something gets your gut, it upsets you and ties your stomach in knots.

Alternative: Hyperactive racehorses were often given goats as stablemates because their presence tended to have a calming effect on the horses. After the horse became attached to the goat, it got very upset when its companion disappeared - making it run poorly on the track. In the 19th century, when a devious gambler wanted a horse to lose, he would get the horse's goat and take it away the night before the race, thus agitating the horse.
I tend to believe it's a mispronunciation, since "gets my goad" or "got my goad" is a much older form of the similar phrase and meaning, and I believe it is the correct form.

At least, that's what the nuns told me 3-1/2 decades ago. :)
 

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Originally posted by: sharkeeper
Are you sure? . . . . currently XP Pro supports HT while Home does not . . . .

That's incorrect. Home does indeed support two virtual processors via HT.

you're right . . . WinXP Home does not support multiple processors while "pro" does.

And "gets my goaT" is correct. :p
 

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Win xp home supports 2 virtual or logical processors in one socket.....while xp pro supports multiple physical (multiple sockets) and logical cpus....

Dont tell me home doesn't support HT cause I ran it there for over a year!!!
 

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: sharkeeper
Are you sure? . . . . currently XP Pro supports HT while Home does not . . . .

That's incorrect. Home does indeed support two virtual processors via HT.

you're right . . . WinXP Home does not support multiple processors while "pro" does.

And "gets my goaT" is correct. :p

Nope he is right and you guys are wrong....Just chalk it up to someone screwing it up about a hundred years or so ago...maybe like ancient ebonics!!!

http://www.clichesite.com/content.asp?which=tip+1300
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Duvie
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: sharkeeper
Are you sure? . . . . currently XP Pro supports HT while Home does not . . . .

That's incorrect. Home does indeed support two virtual processors via HT.

you're right . . . WinXP Home does not support multiple processors while "pro" does.

And "gets my goaT" is correct. :p

Nope he is right and you guys are wrong....Just chalk it up to someone screwing it up about a hundred years or so ago...maybe like ancient ebonics!!!

http://www.clichesite.com/content.asp?which=tip+1300

do a google search for "gets my goaT" . . . it's quite popular . .. perhaps goat herders would have something to say about it - from ancient times. :p

then there is the ancient custom of keeping goats with farm animals to calm them . . . . someone getting your goat would UPSET the entire farm. :p
:roll:

now you know BOTH expressions.

edit: i might have confused WinXP Home's lack of support for multiple cpus with HT support but at least i know my livestock . . .

Baaaaah
:roll:
(maaaah)
;)

:D
 

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Originally posted by: Duvie
Win xp home supports 2 virtual or logical processors in one socket.....while xp pro supports multiple physical (multiple sockets) and logical cpus....

Dont tell me home doesn't support HT cause I ran it there for over a year!!!

will longhorn help with multi cores in any way?
 

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Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Originally posted by: Alastria
Anyone see the this article at The Inquirer?: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=22332

He's basically calling out Anand, and says Anand's a sellout and his reviews are for sale. Yikes.

Rebuttal?
Seeing as my man Anand was waiting for another NDA to expire and has gaming benchies posted! I'd say the Inq dick is a clueless loser who needs a good ass whupin'! :light:

He has the gaming multitasking benchies that assclown was babbling about too! eat that ya forking Inq hack

The guy you so poetically called a babbling clueless loser assclown is right. Your links are from part 2 of the article. Part 1 has no gaming benchmarks at all. Zero. See for yourself:

Intel Dual Core Performance Preview Part I: First Encounter

Page 11 of the article listing the multitasking programs:

Daemon Tools
Norton AntiVirus 2004 (with latest updates)
Firefox 1.02
DVD Shrink 3.2
Microsoft AntiSpyware Beta 1.0
Newsleecher 2.0
Visual Studio .NET 2003
Macromedia Flash Player 7
Adobe Photoshop CS
Microsoft Office 2003
3ds max 7
iTunes 4.7.1
Trillian 3.1
DivX 5.2.1
AutoGK 1.60
Norton Ghost 2003
Adobe Reader 7

So which one of those would be considered a game?

So who's the clueless loser now? Before ripping someone else for being wrong, maybe you should be sure that they aren't actually right.
 

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I've never understood where the "SMP systems are slower for games" rumor came from. At worst, the SMP system is as fast as a single-core counterpart running at the same clock speed. If you've got anything cooking in the background, even Windows file sharing or real-time anti-virus scanning, the SMP system will be faster.

Who in this day and age, outside of a testing/benchmarking environment, isn't running at least an antivirus and antispyware in the background?
 

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Originally posted by: TerryMathews
I've never understood where the "SMP systems are slower for games" rumor came from. At worst, the SMP system is as fast as a single-core counterpart running at the same clock speed. If you've got anything cooking in the background, even Windows file sharing or real-time anti-virus scanning, the SMP system will be faster.

Who in this day and age, outside of a testing/benchmarking environment, isn't running at least an antivirus and antispyware in the background?



Other then going through a routine scan daily when dfoes this steal cpu cycles from me??? I sat in task manager and watched and I never see the AVG AV program take 1 cpu cycle until it updates (daily) and runs a complete scan (daily)...both usually early in the morning when I am not really effected....


What I like is the idea of running the FH thread ful time and still having a system to work with and get units done....

With dual core dual opterons I hope to run 2 threads of FH and then leav me one helluva system to do my CAD needs...
 

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Originally posted by: TerryMathews
I've never understood where the "SMP systems are slower for games" rumor came from. At worst, the SMP system is as fast as a single-core counterpart running at the same clock speed. If you've got anything cooking in the background, even Windows file sharing or real-time anti-virus scanning, the SMP system will be faster.

Who in this day and age, outside of a testing/benchmarking environment, isn't running at least an antivirus and antispyware in the background?

Traditionally, SMP boards don't use the same aggressive memory timings (also registered ECC RAM) and tweaked out settings that single user enthusiast boards use. Stability and reliability are more important for a work intended board than the absolute peak of performance home user systems aim for. So though the CPU clock speeds are the same, the SMP boards are usually a tiny bit slower. As soon as anything starts happening in the background though, the performance advantage swings over to the SMP system.
 

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Originally posted by: Pariah
Traditionally, SMP boards don't use the same aggressive memory timings (also registered ECC RAM) and tweaked out settings that single user enthusiast boards use. Stability and reliability are more important for a work intended board than the absolute peak of performance home user systems aim for. So though the CPU clock speeds are the same, the SMP boards are usually a tiny bit slower. As soon as anything starts happening in the background though, the performance advantage swings over to the SMP system.

Traditionally, yes that is true. That said, there have been quite a few SMP platforms in recent history that do not require registered memory. Pentium 3, AthlonMP, more recently the i875P Xeon platform.

Originally posted by: Duvie
Other then going through a routine scan daily when dfoes this steal cpu cycles from me???

Dunno what to tell you. Maybe AVG doesn't have a real-time scanner? Norton has one called RTVScan.exe.
 

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Originally posted by: Pariah
Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Originally posted by: Alastria
Anyone see the this article at The Inquirer?: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=22332

He's basically calling out Anand, and says Anand's a sellout and his reviews are for sale. Yikes.

Rebuttal?
Seeing as my man Anand was waiting for another NDA to expire and has gaming benchies posted! I'd say the Inq dick is a clueless loser who needs a good ass whupin'! :light:

He has the gaming multitasking benchies that assclown was babbling about too! eat that ya forking Inq hack

The guy you so poetically called a babbling clueless loser assclown is right. Your links are from part 2 of the article. Part 1 has no gaming benchmarks at all. Zero. See for yourself:

Intel Dual Core Performance Preview Part I: First Encounter

Page 11 of the article listing the multitasking programs:

Daemon Tools
Norton AntiVirus 2004 (with latest updates)
Firefox 1.02
DVD Shrink 3.2
Microsoft AntiSpyware Beta 1.0
Newsleecher 2.0
Visual Studio .NET 2003
Macromedia Flash Player 7
Adobe Photoshop CS
Microsoft Office 2003
3ds max 7
iTunes 4.7.1
Trillian 3.1
DivX 5.2.1
AutoGK 1.60
Norton Ghost 2003
Adobe Reader 7

So which one of those would be considered a game?

So who's the clueless loser now? Before ripping someone else for being wrong, maybe you should be sure that they aren't actually right.
What part of waiting for an NDA to expire confused you?

Also, if the guy could read, he would have seen the multitasking senarios he bashed were actually the product of Anandtech readers. So while he is ranting and asking us to identify with him and how unsual the senarios were, the fact is members here have been asking Anand for just such senarios.

There have been mutilple threads popping up questioning A64 multitasking capaibilities because their P4HT setup was so much more fluid, and some of these guys are doing damned near what Anand was doing.

Even if Anand could have included the gaming benchies first time out, I personally don't begrudge him juicing the new dual core premier for some extra hits, this is a business afterall. Furthermore, given the frequency of "cliffnotes" I can only presume he knew all the ADDers wouldn't make it to the end of such a long article ;) As to the assertion about the hack being right, purely subjective comment and I will keep my own council on how to interpret his ill conceived rant. Evidently, there are many disenchanted readers here who need to find new reading material, being as the hardware sites are all in the manufacturers hip pockets :roll:
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Originally posted by: Pariah
Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Originally posted by: Alastria
Anyone see the this article at The Inquirer?: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=22332

He's basically calling out Anand, and says Anand's a sellout and his reviews are for sale. Yikes.

Rebuttal?
Seeing as my man Anand was waiting for another NDA to expire and has gaming benchies posted! I'd say the Inq dick is a clueless loser who needs a good ass whupin'! :light:

He has the gaming multitasking benchies that assclown was babbling about too! eat that ya forking Inq hack

The guy you so poetically called a babbling clueless loser assclown is right. Your links are from part 2 of the article. Part 1 has no gaming benchmarks at all. Zero. See for yourself:

Intel Dual Core Performance Preview Part I: First Encounter

Page 11 of the article listing the multitasking programs:

Daemon Tools
Norton AntiVirus 2004 (with latest updates)
Firefox 1.02
DVD Shrink 3.2
Microsoft AntiSpyware Beta 1.0
Newsleecher 2.0
Visual Studio .NET 2003
Macromedia Flash Player 7
Adobe Photoshop CS
Microsoft Office 2003
3ds max 7
iTunes 4.7.1
Trillian 3.1
DivX 5.2.1
AutoGK 1.60
Norton Ghost 2003
Adobe Reader 7

So which one of those would be considered a game?

So who's the clueless loser now? Before ripping someone else for being wrong, maybe you should be sure that they aren't actually right.
What part of waiting for an NDA to expire confused you?

Also, if the guy could read, he would have seen the multitasking senarios he bashed were actually the product of Anandtech readers. So while he is ranting and asking us to identify with him and how unsual the senarios were, the fact is members here have been asking Anand for just such senarios.

There have been mutilple threads popping up questioning A64 multitasking capaibilities because their P4HT setup was so much more fluid, and some of these guys are doing damned near what Anand was doing.

Even if Anand could have included the gaming benchies first time out, I personally don't begrudge him juicing the new dual core premier for some extra hits, this is a business afterall. Furthermore, given the frequency of "cliffnotes" I can only presume he knew all the ADDers wouldn't make it to the end of such a long article ;) As to the assertion about the hack being right, purely subjective comment and I will keep my own council on how to interpret his ill conceived rant. Evidently, there are many disenchanted readers here who need to find new reading material, being as the hardware sites are all in the manufacturers hip pockets :roll:

i e-mailed the author pointing out that Anand's article was in TWO parts . . . his reply:

From : Charlie Demerjian <charlie@stonearch.net>
No, I didn't miss that, and I actually do have names and numbers to back up my claim. I just didn't think it was worth it to spend the money on lawyers to name names, even if I could win. That said, I won't comment on names here. :)

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I pointed that out in the thread I started, that he knew better than to name anyone or their site :) Honestly, I think pm has it right, the guy is being controversial for the sake of increased traffic. it doubtless worked. While there is always an element of truth to such accusations, I still feel like it was unfair to take pot shots at Anand couched in a thinly veiled attempt at ambiguity. Anand's test were extensive and as he stated he had another NDA he was waiting to expire then he was going to put up more dual-core goodness, which he of course did. You have to take in to consideration the immense ADD crowd you are dealing with when doing these previews/reviews as well :p
 

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Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
I pointed that out in the thread I started, that he knew better than to name anyone or their site :) Honestly, I think pm has it right, the guy is being controversial for the sake of increased traffic. it doubtless worked. While there is always an element of truth to such accusations, I still feel like it was unfair to take pot shots at Anand couched in a thinly veiled attempt at ambiguity. Anand's test were extensive and as he stated he had another NDA he was waiting to expire then he was going to put up more dual-core goodness, which he of course did. You have to take in to consideration the immense ADD crowd you are dealing with when doing these previews/reviews as well :p

The accusations are accurate - "generally" .... his specific attack on Anand's Intel DC review is way off . . . .
. . . OF COURSE it's to build site traffic. ;)
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anyway, i don't reid the Inq for their editorials :p
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