Ray Rice Cut By Ravens

[zinfamous]

The purpose of these policies and the commissioner's office is to protect the teams from themselves. The video got released, so the NFL needed to do damage control. Its much like if a Lewinsky sex tape were released, Clinton would be out but instead he was just teased.

The Ravens voided Rice's contract before the NFL banned him indefinitely.

Initially, it was the NFL that handed out the 2 game suspension prior to the start of the season.

 

[zinfamous]

He should follow the Michael Vick model. Show contrition, apologize, say you've grown, volunteer at battered women's shelters etc. etc. etc.

That's the way to do it. Fighting tooth and nail will just make the NFL dig their heels in and they've got public support.

yeah, it's really not the type of thing you want to fight.

However, the NFL going beyond their own, brand new policy--he may have a case.

 

[Pens1566]

Also, punching a women is enough of an offense to be thrown from the league, but raping one? Nah, just ask Big Ben about that.

Are you talking about the one that was bragging to friends about being with him after the fact and hoping for a "little Roethlisberger" or the one that was dismissed by the DA?

 

[smackababy]

Are you talking about the one that was bragging to friends about being with him after the fact and hoping for a "little Roethlisberger" or the one that was dismissed by the DA?

Both cases were dismissed due to lack of evidence to obtain a conviction. And, quite a few people involved in the second one resigned for screwing up, including the responding officer.

He raped that girl in the bathroom. Yet, still in the league.

It should also be noted he hired Ray Lewis' lawyer...

 

[Phoenix86]

yeah, it's really not the type of thing you want to fight.

However, the NFL going beyond their own, brand new policy--he may have a case.

That's my thoughts on it but no one really seems to be talking about it. This whole thing from start to today. He absolutely has a case to fight the suspension. NFL is -trying- to screw this up at every step.

 

[BurnItDwn]

So, apparantly, this Ray Rice guy is a football player, the ravens are a football team, and he was attacking/beating a woman. yea, he should only be playing football for the prison football team.

 

[smackababy]

That's my thoughts on it but no one really seems to be talking about it. This whole thing from start to today. He absolutely has a case to fight the suspension. NFL is -trying- to screw this up at every step.

The NFL screwed up when they first did penalized Rice (5 months after the incident...). They now are trying to backtrack and show their "tougher stance" and make up for it, with an indefinite suspension. That won't hold up against the PA challenging it.

 

[Imp]

So, apparantly, this Ray Rice guy is a football player, the ravens are a football team, and he was attacking/beating a woman. yea, he should only be playing football for the prison football team.

Not a random woman, his then fiance and now his wife... They have two kids together or something.

Not a football fan, but this story's running 24/7, so now I'm caught up. I'm more bothered by how he dragged her out of the elevator like a corpse and left her foot in the door.

 

[nehalem256]

Both cases were dismissed due to lack of evidence to obtain a conviction. And, quite a few people involved in the second one resigned for screwing up, including the responding officer.

He raped that girl in the bathroom. Yet, still in the league.

It should also be noted he hired Ray Lewis' lawyer...

Also apparently had the sense to not rape anyone where there was a camera present.

 

[vi edit]

Not a random woman, his then fiance and now his wife... They have two kids together or something.

Not a football fan, but this story's running 24/7, so now I'm caught up. I'm more bothered by how he dragged her out of the elevator like a corpse and left her foot in the door.

It's 2:00AM in a casino. Would assume that he was well intoxicated at that time. Drunk logic/physical ability need not apply.

 

[Phoenix86]

The NFL screwed up when they first did penalized Rice (5 months after the incident...). They now are trying to backtrack and show their "tougher stance" and make up for it, with an indefinite suspension. That won't hold up against the PA challenging it.

The new punishment doesn't fit the new policy. I'm perfectly OK with assessing additional penalties, but use the new policy.

Violating your own policy, especially when then ink isn't dry, won't hold well if he appeals. Of course appealing itself may cause other negative things like people mentioned, just noting the discrepancy is there.

 

[thraashman]

I accept I'm going to hell for this.

 

[Pens1566]

Both cases were dismissed due to lack of evidence to obtain a conviction. And, quite a few people involved in the second one resigned for screwing up, including the responding officer.

He raped that girl in the bathroom. Yet, still in the league.

It should also be noted he hired Ray Lewis' lawyer...

The first one was actually cut off because the accuser was lying, caught in it, and didn't want to be charged herself.

I'm glad you were there to know exactly what happened in the 2nd one.

 

[squarecut1]

For us folks here, this is just a topic of discussion, a time pass. But for countless women out there, this is their day to day reality. Not just in other parts of the world, but here in the USA.

In my volunteer work, I have seen first hand the affects of such abuse. The long last psychological scars, the shattered self esteem, the self blame. In a lot of cases, such women have great difficulty forming any subsequent relationships, due to lack of trust and their own damaged psyche. And on and on.

Personally, as I said, I don't care about NFL. I am not a fan. I am just disgusted by how dirty football is. Child rapists, rapists, women abusers, drunk killers and on and on....and this is only public knowledge. Which is always a small fraction of what actually happens - in any matter or group. Disgusting.

 

[nehalem256]

For us folks here, this is just a topic of discussion, a time pass. But for countless women out there, this is their day to day reality. Not just in other parts of the world, but here in the USA.

Why are you trying to make it seem like domestic violence is only perpetrated against women?:

In recent years researchers have approached populations without preconceptions as to the direction of violence. Large epidemiological studies have demonstrated that domestic violence is most commonly reciprocal and that when only one partner is violent there is an excess of violent women. Whitaker et al,2 in a study of 14 000 young US couples aged 18-28 years, found that 24% of relationships had some violence and half of those were reciprocally violent. In 70% of the non-reciprocally violent relationships women were the perpetrators of violence. Reciprocal violence appears to be particularly dangerous, leading to the highest rate of injury (31.4%). This may be because reciprocal violence is more likely to escalate.

http://pb.rcpsych.org/content/35/1/33.1.full

In my volunteer work, I have seen first hand the affects of such abuse. The long last psychological scars, the shattered self esteem, the self blame. In a lot of cases, such women have great difficulty forming any subsequent relationships, due to lack of trust and their own damaged psyche. And on and on.

For someone with "shattered self esteem" she seems awfully aggressive with him in the video. See the bolded above.

 

[Veliko]

Ah, Nehalem is here with his fuckwitted nonsense again.

 

[nehalem256]

Ah, Nehalem is here with his fuckwitted nonsense again.

Sorry if the facts don't line up with your ideology.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Ah, Nehalem is here with his fuckwitted nonsense again.

Wait so you're saying that women are incapable of abusing men?

Go back to tumblr.

 

[SP33Demon]

Not a random woman, his then fiance and now his wife... They have two kids together or something.

Not a football fan, but this story's running 24/7, so now I'm caught up. I'm more bothered by how he dragged her out of the elevator like a corpse and left her foot in the door.

Alcohol is a helluva drug.

 

[Phoenix86]

Ah, Nehalem is here with his fuckwitted nonsense again.

Normally I understand the notion that "anything he says is wrong so just disagree with him", but there's nothing particularly insane about that post. He's right.

 

[Retro Rob]

Why are you trying to make it seem like domestic violence is only perpetrated against women?:

http://pb.rcpsych.org/content/35/1/33.1.full



For someone with "shattered self esteem" she seems awfully aggressive with him in the video. See the bolded above.

Seriously, Nahalem -- you need to stop deraiing this thread and turning this into some kind of men-hating witchhunt.

Seriously, you really need to stop.

 

[Veliko]

Normally I understand the notion that "anything he says is wrong so just disagree with him", but there's nothing particularly insane about that post. He's right.

Right about what?

He's arguing against points that no-one has made.

 

[Veliko]

Wait so you're saying that women are incapable of abusing men?

Go back to tumblr.

No.

Go back to your Nehalem login.

 

[Phoenix86]

Right about what?

He's arguing against points that no-one has made.

Someone said "women go through this every day", he noted that men also go through domestic abuse too. Basically, saying "women" instead of "people" make this seem like a female only issue. It isn't, and making it seem like a woman only issue makes it that much hard for men who are going through abuse as well to report or otherwise deal with it.

It's a somewhat intelligent thing to say, so I'll have to assume this is the "broken clock is right twice a day" thing.

 

[Veliko]

Someone said "women go through this every day", he noted that men also go through domestic abuse too. Basically, saying "women" instead of "people" make this seem like a female only issue. It isn't, and making it seem like a woman only issue makes it that much hard for men who are going through abuse as well to report or otherwise deal with it.

It's a somewhat intelligent thing to say, so I'll have to assume this is the "broken clock is right twice a day" thing.

No, that someone said "for countless women out there, this is their day to day reality".