Raw milk story and its funny

[Fanatical Meat]

I saw this clip on Morning Joe. Basically the lawmakers pass a bill to legalize raw (unprocessed milk) with the health department saying it can cause sickness. Lawmakers who passed the bill celebrate by drinking some raw milk then this happens....

http://www.grubstreet.com/2016/03/west-virginia-lawmakers-raw-milk-sick.html#

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Read this one yesterday and almost posted it for the hilarity value. They also refuse to acknowledge that maybe that was the issue. Comparing drinking raw milk as being no more risk than eating raw oysters....... Both of which the FDA cautions against.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

For the record I'm fine with people drinking raw milk. Not my thing but a law preventing it is semi silly. This doesn't mean someone selling raw milk isn't accountable if people get sick.

I do love the guy in the video stretched out on his office couch. He looks miserable.

 

[Slew Foot]

One of my partners at work is a health nut and brought in some raw milk for the nurses. They all got sick. Womp womp.

 

[MajinCry]

Wouldn't be too bad if it were raw human milk, nay? What with it being, well, milk made for humans.

Drinking stuff that came straight from a quadruped's breast, however, isn't, uh, the brightest idea humanity has come up with.

 

[thraashman]

Louis Pasteur woke up in his grave for the explicit purpose of rolling his eyes at these idiots.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Louis Pasteur woke up in his grave for the explicit purpose of rolling his eyes at these idiots.

I learned something that's why its pasteurized. Thanks.

 

[master_shake_]

my sister in law got ecoli from raw milk.

fucking retarded law makers.

pasteurization is not a suggestion....

Pasteurization is a hundred-year-old process that destroys pathogens through simple heat, and is best known for its role in making milk and juices safe for consumption. French chemist and microbiologist Louis Pasteur invented this straightforward food safety technique in 1864.

a hundred years of use and these people think it's for fun... wow.

 

[dainthomas]

Louis Pasteur woke up in his grave for the explicit purpose of rolling his eyes at these idiots.

Excellent post, sir. :thumbsup:

 

[dullard]

For the record I'm fine with people drinking raw milk. Not my thing but a law preventing it is semi silly. This doesn't mean someone selling raw milk isn't accountable if people get sick.

The key is where do you draw the line of accountability. If seller A gets consumer B sick with E.Coli, that is one thing. But, what if seller A gets consumer B sick with Tuberculosis who then spreads it to hundreds/thousands of people? Is the seller responsible for just consumer B? Or is the seller responsible for destroying lives of thousands who never wanted the raw milk to begin with?

I'm not fully against raw milk. But to just make it illegal \ legal without first thinking through the very real consequences is very reckless.

A government could for example, allow raw milk sales if the animals and milk are both tested regularly for diseases that transfer to humans.

 

[jaha2000]

I have been drinking raw milk for 3 years. The whole family drinks it for that matter. Never been an issue.
There are still loopholes around the law, its illegal in MI to sell raw milk, but i can buy a share of a cow from a farmer and in return i get the milk.

 

[zinfamous]

Pasteurization is an important and necessary process when you take into account industrialized food production, but I think that raw milk and products made from raw milk certainly have their place in cuisine, and I would love to see it become more prevalent.

There are risks, but I would like to see legislation aimed more towards proper standards in small farms, with small limited markets distributing raw milk rather than outright banning it. The FDA has, and probably will continue to always be wrong on this issue.

 

[glenn1]

Read this one yesterday and almost posted it for the hilarity value. They also refuse to acknowledge that maybe that was the issue. Comparing drinking raw milk as being no more risk than eating raw oysters....... Both of which the FDA cautions against.

We will never truly be free until we remove the freedom to voluntarily purchase products like raw milk for one's own personal consumption. If we allow this horror to continue, what's next on the slippery slope, allowing people to buy large size sodas or Happy Meals?

 

[DrPizza]

A government could for example, allow raw milk sales if the animals and milk are both tested regularly for diseases that transfer to humans.

You can test the animals on a reasonable basis, say once per 6 months, or once per year, or longer, depending on the farm practices. E.g., a closed herd (no outside animals are brought in - the only animals are the babies of animals already on the farm) - in that case, then after 3-5 years of negative tests, the testing basis could be changed to once per 3 years or once per 5 years.

But, for the milk? You have to test it from every cow, every day. Believe it or not, there's cow shit in pastures or wherever the cows are. And, believe it or not, sometimes cows lay down. All it takes is contact with contaminated waste, and incomplete cleaning of the teats, and you have infected milk. I would think that if the person involved in the milking process knew that the milk was going to be consumed raw, that they would double the efforts to make sure the environment was as sterile as possible during milking. But dairies don't have just 1 or 2 or 3 cows. They have hundreds or thousands of cows, and the guys milking them aren't usually making a heck of a lot more than minimum wage. So, given that reality, I wouldn't touch raw milk, except from a hobby farm where the owner is the one who does all the milking, and the owner is especially awre of the health risks of contamination.

 

[zinfamous]

You can test the animals on a reasonable basis, say once per 6 months, or once per year, or longer, depending on the farm practices. E.g., a closed herd (no outside animals are brought in - the only animals are the babies of animals already on the farm) - in that case, then after 3-5 years of negative tests, the testing basis could be changed to once per 3 years or once per 5 years.

But, for the milk? You have to test it from every cow, every day. Believe it or not, there's cow shit in pastures or wherever the cows are. And, believe it or not, sometimes cows lay down. All it takes is contact with contaminated waste, and incomplete cleaning of the teats, and you have infected milk. I would think that if the person involved in the milking process knew that the milk was going to be consumed raw, that they would double the efforts to make sure the environment was as sterile as possible during milking. But dairies don't have just 1 or 2 or 3 cows. They have hundreds or thousands of cows, and the guys milking them aren't usually making a heck of a lot more than minimum wage. So, given that reality, I wouldn't touch raw milk, except from a hobby farm where the owner is the one who does all the milking, and the owner is especially awre of the health risks of contamination.

exactly. I don't think raw milk is ever acceptable in an industrial model farm, but I also don't think that a default outlaw on all Raw milk production is a reasonable solution.

Raw milk and raw milk products are a great thing, and should be encouraged, but it's something that requires proper limits and standards--small farms, small markets, local agencies to focus specifically on this farm model, things like that.

The idealist in me wants to see the end of industrialized farming, but I also know that is irrational, impossible, and frankly stupid. It is a simple fact of numbers that human populations can't be wholly sustained by happy local hipster farmers, as much as plenty of people want to believe that is possible. ...but that is another discussion.

Anyway, I've noticed a lot of disturbing trends with the FDA bringing down the hammer on otherwise sanitary and sustainable farms simply because they are known to produce raw milk (no evidence of contamination) or raise heritage animal breeds (dumbfuck state laws drawn up decades ago by what was once a consortium of monopolists, and now essentially owned by the surviving single industrial conglomerate player in the pig industry). And of course the product is much worse because of this.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Raw milk and raw milk products are a great thing, and should be encouraged

Why do you say this?

 

[dullard]

requires proper limits and standards--small farms, small markets, local agencies
...
Anyway, I've noticed a lot of disturbing trends with the FDA bringing down the hammer on otherwise sanitary and sustainable farms simply because they are known to produce raw milk (no evidence of contamination)

You are jumping over a lot, possibly too much with this post. You argue for small farms with small markets and then rail against the FDA that allows small market sales of raw milk (generally small farm) and forbids interstate (generally large farm) sales. You and the FDA are almost exactly on the same page.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Why do you say this?

I think he means specialty cheeses and such.

 

[hal2kilo]

Louis Pasteur woke up in his grave for the explicit purpose of rolling his eyes at these idiots.

That's almost literally what I was thinking when I saw the post. I'll rolleyes for him

 

[desy]

Yep
Under the table or personal consumption only but to legalize it is dumb
Usually anti-vaxer mentality hand in hand with the raw milk crowd
Or hey lets cure menengitis with horse radish

http://www.medicaldaily.com/parents...-sons-meningitis-naturopathic-remedies-377393

 

[werepossum]

Odd, I grew up drinking raw milk, as did almost everyone around me, and I don't recall anyone ever getting sick from it. Few farms didn't keep at least a few milk cows. Where the milk is produced by a commercial farm and distributed raw, I'd agree it is more dangerous, but we do lots of dangerous things. That's what it means to be free, to choose one's own path with its unique risks and rewards.

 

[Brainonska511]

Odd, I grew up drinking raw milk, as did almost everyone around me, and I don't recall anyone ever getting sick from it. Few farms didn't keep at least a few milk cows. Where the milk is produced by a commercial farm and distributed raw, I'd agree it is more dangerous, but we do lots of dangerous things. That's what it means to be free, to choose one's own path with its unique risks and rewards.

I think the issue is that people are not understanding the unique risks that are associated with consuming raw milk.

 

[werepossum]

I think the issue is that people are not understanding the unique risks that are associated with consuming raw milk.

Meh. Everything has unique risks associated. I'm very, very tired of government assuming that I'm too stupid to live without a nanny state hovering above me.

 

[highland145]

Meh. Everything has unique risks associated. I'm very, very tired of government assuming that I'm too stupid to live without a nanny state hovering above me.

lol...these days people are.

Over the years, I've asked my older customers about smoking meat when they were young. "We put it in the smoke house for several days, salted it and it was good for a few months." I've been "taught" that if it's been in the fridge for a few days, it "might" not be good.

My Grandmother grew up on a 300ac farm in S.C. and she would talk about putting sausage in a crock jar, sealing it with melted fat and putting it in the cellar. But she never did let the toddler around the .45

Anyway, my sis in law's fam only uses raw milk. They have a dairy cow...plus butchering cows, chickens, hogs, etc.

 

[Fern]

I lived in France for years and ate products made with raw milk every day. I never got sick.

Fern