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RAVE act

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TheOmegaCode

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I don't know if this is a repost, I couldn't find anything on RAVE act or Drug Policy Alliance...

DRUG POLICY ALLIANCE - The Senate is poised to pass legislation that would give federal prosecutors new powers to shut down hemp festivals, marijuana rallies and other events and punish business owners and activists for hosting or promoting them. The proposed law would also potentially subject people to enormous federal sentences if some of their guests smoked marijuana at their party or barbecue. It would also effectively make it a federal crime to rent property to medical marijuana patients and their caregivers. The bill, known as the Reducing American's Vulnerability to Ecstasy Act (RAVE Act), was just introduced in the Senate on June 18th and has already passed the Senate Judiciary Committee. It is moving very rapidly. While it purports to be aimed at ecstasy and other club drugs, it gives the federal government enormous power to fine and imprison supporters of marijuana legalization, even if they've never smoked marijuana.

S. 2633, sponsored by Senators Durbin (D-IL), Hatch (R-UT), Grassley (R-IA) and Leahy (D-VT), expands the so-called "crack house statute" to allow the federal government to fine or imprison businessmen and women if customers sell or use drugs on their premises or at their events. Property owners, promoters, and event coordinators could be fined hundreds of thousands of dollars or face up to twenty years in federal prison if they hold raves or other events on their property. If the bill becomes law, property owners may be too afraid to rent or lease their property to groups holding hemp festivals or putting on all-night dance parties, effectively stifling free speech and banning raves and other musical events.

The new law would also make it a federal crime to temporarily use a place for the purpose of using any illegal drug. Thus, anyone who used drugs in their own home or threw an event (such as a party or barbecue) in which one or more of their guests used drugs could potentially face a $250,000 fine and years in federal prison. The bill also effectively makes it a federal crime to rent property to medical marijuana patients and their caregivers, giving the federal government a new weapon in its war on AIDS and cancer patients who use marijuana to relieve their suffering.

If enacted, licensed and law-abiding business owners may stop hosting raves or other events that federal authorities don't like, out of fear of massive fines and prison sentences. Thus, the law would drive raves and other musical events further underground and away from public health and safety regulations. It would also discourage business owners from enacting smart harm-reduction measures to protect their customers. By insinuating that selling bottled water and offering "cool off" rooms is proof that owners and promoters know drug use is occurring at their events, this bill may make business owners too afraid to implement such harm-reduction measures, and the safety of our kids will suffer.
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Here are two links on the story one and two... I was just wondering what good old AT thought about this...
 
Good.

The less drugs the better. You don't need to smoke something or pop pills to make you feel "more alive" or get you to weird highs.

If you do, you're pathetic. :frown:
 
Originally posted by: LordMaul
Good.

The less drugs the better. You don't need to smoke something or pop pills to make you feel "more alive" or get you to weird highs.

If you do, you're pathetic. :frown:
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The problem is that it's not about drugs, it's about banning raves and other live electronic music performances on the assumption that drugs might be there. That's bad, because it uses a politically charged argument, "drugs", to infringe upon more of our freedoms, but it's a weak justification.
 
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: LordMaul
Good.

The less drugs the better. You don't need to smoke something or pop pills to make you feel "more alive" or get you to weird highs.

If you do, you're pathetic. :frown:
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The problem is that it's not about drugs, it's about banning raves and other live electronic music performances on the assumption that drugs might be there. That's bad, because it uses a politically charged argument, "drugs", to infringe upon more of our freedoms, but it's a weak justification.
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Like they'd be able to stop that. :Q

Speakig of that, anyone want to give me pointers on learning to liquid? 😀
 
how does water and cooling off rooms promote drug use? thats utter crap....

these are the same ACIDHEADS from the 60s and 70s that is trying to get this bill passed........


 
I did a whole research paper on this topic..

Honestly though, I dont' believe this law will hurt electronic music. Venues and promoters don't really make an effort to say that they don't want drugs there. It's all about the money. Usually on flyers, they say "no drugs" but that's it.

I've been to countless raves and don't really see a need to pop a pill to enjoy the music. People who usually do are on the ground anyway taking up my dance space. Most of the time.. it's the drugs, not the music that brings people there. Some begin liking electronic music because they associate the good feelings of drug when listening to the beats. The so called "club rave" has a different kind of atmosphere tho.. more sober people, more dancing.

I have many friends that can't go raving without taking a pill.. Now they don't go anymore so they won't be tempted.

I've seen way too many Jr High kids at these events being influenced by other people.. I don't think they're old enough to see the negative consequences.. So I don't see how this act would hurt us, unless doing drugs is your thing. There will always be clubs or gatherings with DJ's spinning electronic music only if venue owners and promoters really make the effort to stress that no drugs are allowed.


 
Good.

The less drugs the better. You don't need to smoke something or pop pills to make you feel "more alive" or get you to weird highs.

If you do, you're pathetic. <IMG src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif" border=0>


Here's how I respond:

Bad.

You do not need to do drugs - but some people like them.. and others actually try them before they make on opinion that's just based on what they're told. How can you say that you hate marijuana and that marijuana is bad if you've never smoked it or know what it does? Should you form all your opinions on the lies you are told?

If you try them and do not like them, you'll still at least realize why they should be legal in the first place. It's all about freedom - and if one person wants to grow a plant in his house and smoke it in his house, there is no room for the government to tell him he cannot.

How do you know that us 'users' are pathetic? Perhaps you are the pathetic one that believes you know everything when you know nothing - because the exact effects of some drugs cannot be explained. Many allow for more creativity and open parts of your mind that you've never used before. Yes, drugs cause' problems for some - but most 'users' have no lasting affects.

Since you have never even known or have the ability to comprehend exactly what they do, you deserve to have no opinion. But since you do, your opinion is no more helpful to society than those that are convicted of things without taking the time to think them through.

What's wrong with never trying drugs and just stating that you don't feel like doing them - and allowing others to do what they will... instead of excercising your opinion over everyone else?

Pot should be made as legal as alcohol. Other drugs should have less severe penalties. Perhaps with legalization, the government might actually be able to REGULATE them better and make them much safer.


Freedom is fukt right now in the US and it is WORSE everywhere else. I can't even buy f#$king contact lenses without paying $50 to see my doctor every time - even though I just need refills.

So why the hell do we need to limit our freedom any more?
 
the electronic scene WILL suffer if they cannot hold raves.. there is NO other place where you cannot listen to electronic music, and dance to it.. there will be no concerts where the latest performers/djs can showcase their new songs/talent....


if they ban raves, they MUST ban concerts. because that is all a rave is.
 
the electronic scene WILL suffer if they cannot hold raves.. there is NO other place where you cannot listen to electronic music, and dance to it.. there will be no concerts where the latest performers/djs can showcase their new songs/talent....
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Part of the reason why electronic music is popular because it's played at raves accompanied by drugs.. Here in southern cali, the 15,000 ppl raves are impossible to throw off now. One was supposed to be held this Saturday, but it's going to be split up at three different clubs. Electric Daisy Carnival, however, was only able to be pulled off because it started 12pm during the day and ended 12am midnight. The music is still there. The people pissed about it are most likely those who still need rave venues to use ecstasy.

There are so many clubs that play electronic music with mostly sober people.. The Mayan just had Ferry Corsten spin last night.. Christopher Lawrence spinning at Circus tomorrow. So far the general public has only seen raves reported through the media's eyes. They.. and I haven't seen any honest efforts from promoters to try and stop ecstasy at raves.. Why? Because it draws in revenue. The more people you get in, the more money you get. I've even seen some hired security guys help some ravers find ecstasy.. and the only place you can dance with other people and use drugs explicitly are at raves.

I don't have a problem with people who do drugs.. it's the irresponsible ones that screw it up for everyone... who OD.. mix.. and don't even know what the consequences are.


The less drugs the better. You don't need to smoke something or pop pills to make you feel "more alive" or get you to weird highs.

If you do, you're pathetic. <IMG src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif" border=0>


Here's how I respond:

Bad.

You do not need to do drugs - but some people like them.. and others actually try them before they make on opinion that's just based on what they're told. How can you say that you hate marijuana and that marijuana is bad if you've never smoked it or know what it does? Should you form all your opinions on the lies you are told?
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It's all comes down to what your beliefs and values are. Either you: believe that drugs create a false escape from reality and troubles and that's why it's bad or: you believe that you have the right to put anything in your body illegal or not.

 
Originally posted by: wonTong
the electronic scene WILL suffer if they cannot hold raves.. there is NO other place where you cannot listen to electronic music, and dance to it.. there will be no concerts where the latest performers/djs can showcase their new songs/talent....
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Part of the reason why electronic music is popular because it's played at raves accompanied by drugs.. Here in southern cali, the 15,000 ppl raves are impossible to throw off now. One was supposed to be held this Saturday, but it's going to be split up at three different clubs. Electric Daisy Carnival, however, was only able to be pulled off because it started 12pm during the day and ended 12am midnight. The music is still there. The people pissed about it are most likely those who still need rave venues to use ecstasy.

There are so many clubs that play electronic music with mostly sober people.. The Mayan just had Ferry Corsten spin last night.. Christopher Lawrence spinning at Circus tomorrow. So far the general public has only seen raves reported through the media's eyes. They.. and I haven't seen any honest efforts from promoters to try and stop ecstasy at raves.. Why? Because it draws in revenue. The more people you get in, the more money you get. I've even seen some hired security guys help some ravers find ecstasy.. and the only place you can dance with other people and use drugs explicitly are at raves.

I don't have a problem with people who do drugs.. it's the irresponsible ones that screw it up for everyone... who OD.. mix.. and don't even know what the consequences are.


The less drugs the better. You don't need to smoke something or pop pills to make you feel "more alive" or get you to weird highs.

If you do, you're pathetic. <IMG src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif" border=0>


Here's how I respond:

Bad.

You do not need to do drugs - but some people like them.. and others actually try them before they make on opinion that's just based on what they're told. How can you say that you hate marijuana and that marijuana is bad if you've never smoked it or know what it does? Should you form all your opinions on the lies you are told?
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It's all comes down to what your beliefs and values are. Either you: believe that drugs create a false escape from reality and troubles and that's why it's bad or: you believe that you have the right to put anything in your body illegal or not.
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electronic music is popular because they are played at raves. It is also popular because its played on the radio, its popular because they play it at the clubs. It is popular because people like it. It is not popular because poeple use "drugs" at raves.
If they have a DJ spin at a club, its a much different enviroment for the worse.If a popular dj spins, it becomes more cramped, stuffy, with no where to dance. You pay 30 dollars at the club door to see ONE DJ spin. DJ Jean comes to mind..... A rave costs 40 -50, but you have at least 20 djs spin at different areas, with a couple head liners. DIfferent music styles, different djs.
It WILL ruin the scene a little. Acutally. It will jsut eliminate the scene in america. I will miss the 4000 people raves.
 
Thus, anyone who used drugs in their own home or threw an event (such as a party or barbecue) in which one or more of their guests used drugs could potentially face a $250,000 fine and years in federal prison.
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THAT IS HORRIBLE!

It's like getting sued for being a bar owner when someone leaves your bar trashed and f*cks up.
Absolutely horrible. I guess this is their way for covering "all the bases" of being able to legitimatly shut down any sort of party or venue. BS! BS!
 
electronic music is popular because they are played at raves. It is also popular because its played on the radio, its popular because they play it at the clubs. It is popular because people like it. It is not popular because poeple use "drugs" at raves.
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Where are you from? They don't play electronic music on the radio in so cal.. except maybe one day during the wee hours. And Better off Alone or Heaven doesn't count.. Notice that these songs are overplayed.. including Paul Oakenfold's Ready, Steady, Go..

Yes, it is popular because it is played at raves.. and at clubs.. and cuz it's nice to dance to. But haven't you seen how many people have gotten into the scene from older siblings, friends, etc.. because they say how cool the drug is. It became trendy and cool to go raving... then it went mainstream. People thought I was lying when they found out I don't drop.. and asked me how I last so long..

Nowadays, since more people are kinda realizing how the drug is bad for them.. they're quitting. It's almost becoming trendy not to drop.. Yes, I like raving, but I'm not going to ignore all the problems that exist there.

If they have a DJ spin at a club, its a much different enviroment for the worse.If a popular dj spins, it becomes more cramped, stuffy, with no where to dance. You pay 30 dollars at the club door to see ONE DJ spin. DJ Jean comes to mind..... A rave costs 40 -50, but you have at least 20 djs spin at different areas, with a couple head liners. DIfferent music styles, different djs.
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The clubs here are usually where the raves are thrown at now. You don't get no abandoned building or big piece of land anymore. Cops just shut it down before you can even get in.. A rave costs on average about 25 bucks.. Those weekly club raves more like 20 bucks with more than one DJ spinning. Unless it's a big name headliner.. then prices go up. A massive rave if that's what your talking about is 40-50 bucks. From my experience, club raves are less cramped cuz more people are off the ground.

But it's all mainstream now.. and it's starting to die out in southern cali. These days if you go to a rave, you worry if the DJ is gonna show up, if the lines don't take 3 hours to get in, and if it's not relocated to the Orion Events Center.
 
im gonna prolly expierience a socal rave later on this year. Ill get back to you on how i feel its different than the scene here accross the ocean.

 
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