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[Saga]

I will be careful on this bike. It's just perfect in every way and I loved it. The thing about full tucking at 50mph, I do that sometimes to relax my arms, stay out of the winds, Stay warm, and just to relax. People don't tuck just for aggressive riding or speeding you know. I don't really use the front brake and when I do, I only use 2 fingers. It's just too sensitive.

I'm absolutely speechless. If you insist on riding the 600 please ensure you are an organ donor.

 

[eBauer]

I will be careful on this bike. It's just perfect in every way and I loved it. The thing about full tucking at 50mph, I do that sometimes to relax my arms, stay out of the winds, Stay warm, and just to relax. People don't tuck just for aggressive riding or speeding you know. I don't really use the front brake and when I do, I only use 2 fingers. It's just too sensitive.

While you might be able to cheat and get away with stopping using the rear brake on a ninja 250 or cruiser, this is probably one of the worst habits a person can develop. From now on, use only the front brake. You can play with the lever adjustment as well, that might help.

I set both of my bikes (K5 GSXR 1000 / 2008 1000RR) to the #1 setting, but everyone has their own preference.

 

[DarkThinker]

To say the truth, I have the utmost respect for bike riders and those of you who don't, I don't get you.

I mean, if God forbid in the future I am in between life and death on a hospital bed thinking about how my family is going to make it without me, I can always count on a bike rider to save the day.

OP, don't listen to any of these mature guys here trying to talk about safety and other such nonsense, take it from me, the 2010 CBR1000RR is where it's at, you owe to yourself to live on the edge like the badass you are, have at it and thank you for your community service!

 

[halik]

While you might be able to cheat and get away with stopping using the rear brake on a ninja 250 or cruiser, this is probably one of the worst habits a person can develop. From now on, use only the front brake. You can play with the lever adjustment as well, that might help.

I set both of my bikes (K5 GSXR 1000 / 2008 1000RR) to the #1 setting, but everyone has their own preference.

Stainless steel lines for the win! The setting screws don't really do much besides moving the engagement point. If you want a crisper response go for the SS lines - i put them on my last r6 and the difference was enormous. You literally get a linear relationship between the stopping force and the force applied on the lever ... best 50 bucks I've spent.


Also o/p better get a term life insurance. Dirt bike habits + 100hp+ super sport = titanium implants or worse. This thread has all the characteristics of a squid.

 

[Saga]

Stainless steel lines for the win! The setting screws don't really do much besides moving the engagement point. If you want a crisper response go for the SS lines - i put them on my last r6 and the difference was enormous. You literally get a linear relationship between the stopping force and the force applied on the lever ... best 50 bucks I've spent.


Also o/p better get a term life insurance. Dirt bike habits + 100hp+ super sport = titanium implants or worse. This thread has all the characteristics of a squid.

To be absolutely honest (albeit it's more expensive) replacing the master cylinder is far more effective than running SS lines..

 

[Kabob]

omfg. Seriously? Seriously? This post is a HUGE indicator that you should NOT be on that bike yet. I don't have the time to pick apart every point you made, but this post is an enormous red waving flag to me.

That is exactly what flashed into my mind when I read that first line.

I will be careful on this bike. It's just perfect in every way and I loved it. The thing about full tucking at 50mph, I do that sometimes to relax my arms, stay out of the winds, Stay warm, and just to relax. People don't tuck just for aggressive riding or speeding you know. I don't really use the front brake and when I do, I only use 2 fingers. It's just too sensitive.

Since he won't do it I will.

1) Red flag #1. Of course you'll be careful on the bike, who wouldn't? But once again there will be a moment when "being careful" won't cut it (I call these "freak moments") and that bike can bite you in a split second. A car runs a red light and you have to gun it or stop short, you hit a big pothole you didn't see, granny is backing her car out of her driveway and is about to hit you. Being careful yourself doesn't prepare you for the 90% of other people on the road who aren't.

Having a smaller bike will make those situations MUCH more forgiving (grab a handfull of front brake or throttle on your Ninja 250 will probably get you out of those situations, it won't keel you off the bike though). A supersport is designed to do everything that the Ninja 250 does but in much less time. So much less that if not done with care and skill it is a violent action...you will not be able to react fast enough without ingrained reactions.

2) There's a different between staying out of the wind (which isn't really very helpful with a dinky supersport windscreen) and "wanting to look fast" as this guy was. As for tucking to relax your arms...your arms shouldn't be tired because you're not supposed to be holding yourself up with them...

3) Red flag #2...you don't use the front brake? Even on cruisers the front brake is about 75% of your stopping power, on sportbikes it's probably closer to 85%. If you're not learning to use your front brake...well...you going to get into a freak situation where you MUST use your front brake and you are going to grab a whole handfull of it and do your best impression of a gravity defying LOL cat.

 

[halik]

To be absolutely honest (albeit it's more expensive) replacing the master cylinder is far more effective than running SS lines..

My bike came with a brembo master and floating rotors with radial calipers. Not whole lot more you can do to that.

 

[PlasmaBomb]

My bike came with a brembo master and floating rotors with radial calipers. Not whole lot more you can do to that.

Do you have a radial master cylinder?

 

[halik]

Do you have a radial master cylinder?

I sold the bike since, but yeah the 05s came with inverted forks, brembo radial masters and radial calipers

 

[Kabob]

I sold the bike since, but yeah the 05s came with inverted forks, brembo radial masters and radial calipers

Missed most of the conversation but I assume that's an R6?

 

[Kabob]

I know this isn't the sort of positive reinforcement we need to give but would it be wrong to add this to my sig?


About motorcycles

I will be careful on this bike...I don't really use the front brake.

 

[halik]

Missed most of the conversation but I assume that's an R6?

yup

 

[Saga]

The only thing that keeps running through my head is this dude only using the rear brake (which on that bike is what, 10-15% of the stopping power?) just to have him run into one of the millions of emergency situations requiring an ACTUAL stop and not a grandma stop. Ripping the front brake without using it routinely enough to know what's safe is just gonna see him crush it down and flip the bike on his fucking head.

As stated before, check organ donor please.

 

[Kabob]

yup

I've always liked the 2nd gen R6's, '05 was the best of the bunch. When I finally get another bike I'm going to pick up another SV650S but I wouldn't mind picking up a 2nd Gen R6 a little later. Course, by then my "dream bike" '06 GSX-R600 (not sure why I like 'em so much since they've got a so-so motor and they're kinda heavy) should be dirt cheap.

 

[BoberFett]

While you might be able to cheat and get away with stopping using the rear brake on a ninja 250 or cruiser, this is probably one of the worst habits a person can develop. From now on, use only the front brake. You can play with the lever adjustment as well, that might help.

I set both of my bikes (K5 GSXR 1000 / 2008 1000RR) to the #1 setting, but everyone has their own preference.

Really? You want him end up on the pavement? You need to know how to use both brakes.

 

[Turin39789]

The thing about full tucking at 50mph, I do that sometimes to relax my arms, stay out of the winds, Stay warm, and just to relax. People don't tuck just for aggressive riding or speeding you know. I don't really use the front brake and when I do, I only use 2 fingers. It's just too sensitive.

2 fingers

 

[Kabob]

Really? You want him end up on the pavement? You need to know how to use both brakes.

You need to know how to use both, true, but you can do everything with the front. The same is not true for the rear.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Really? You want him end up on the pavement? You need to know how to use both brakes.

IMHO on a full-out supersport (zx6r/R6/etc) you really shouldn't even touch the rear brake in a true emergency stop.

For me, the limit of traction is when my front wheel is *slightly* starting to weave or lose traction while the rear tire is *barely* on the ground (really only to keep the bike in a straight line). If you try to touch the rear in this situation you will lock it up. Granted, from a pure physics perspective you can stop faster if you can use both brakes as much as traction will allow but personally I'm better at front only especially since I have multiple bikes. Also using front only makes it a lot easier to subconsciously load the front suspension before clamping down.

I like to bring 2 cones (and a helper) to a parking lot to practice emergency braking. Have your helper use the cones to indicate when you start to brake and when you stop. If you haven't done this before you'd be amazed at how much improvement there is to be had. Think about it - how often do you FULL panic stop on a motorcycle? Maybe once a year? However in the rare occurrence when you need to stop like this the difference between 5 feet can be life or death so it's good to be in practice.


That being said, I sometimes feather the rear a bit during low speed to help with balance. I also use it at red lights so I can sit up (only after I have two stopped cars behind me). I used to play around with trail braking but it's usually not required if the bike is setup properly.


2 finger braking comment - totally legitimate. I two (or three) finger brake a supersport. Any cruiser should be 4 finger braking. Your lever needs to be adjusted where you CANNOT smash your fingers (the guy that is on the shortest setting probably can, and as someone else said - that won't affect the feel)


Master cylinder vs lines - Here's the thing, most people replace their lines when they bleed their brakes for the first time. Yeah you go from mushy rubber to SS wrapped but *most* of the improved feel has to do with getting rid of the polluted old brake fluid. That being said, I do feel like SS lines make a difference on the track when your fluid is getting extremely hot and all that.
Basically I disagree that replacing your master cylinder is going to make much of a difference on the street unless you need to change piston sizes or have an older non-radial setup.

 

[eBauer]

Really? You want him end up on the pavement? You need to know how to use both brakes.

I was suggesting using only the front to get him out of the habit of rear-only braking. Once that becomes etched in memory, then move to using both, but with a preference to the front.

 

[Greenman]

Bike n00b: How do you do sub-3 second 1/4 mile and not do a massive wheelie or flip over?

You don't do a sub 3 second quarter on any bike. The world record in top fuel is around four and a half seconds. That's a car with a seven thousand horsepower engine.
There are some bikes that will do zero to sixty in the three to four second range, but it takes a lot of practice.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

You don't do a sub 3 second quarter on any bike. The world record in top fuel is around four and a half seconds. That's a car with a seven thousand horsepower engine.
There are some bikes that will do zero to sixty in the three to four second range, but it takes a lot of practice.

He meant 0-60 not 1/4 mile..


And using 0-60 as a reference to bike speed is pretty difficult. They are not at all made for extremely hard launches like that and the difference from rider to rider is massive.

Someone who is good with keeping the front down will be long gone even on a current 600 compared to a liter in just 0-60.


Put it this way, on most current 600's you can't fully accelerate in 1st or half (or more) of 2nd gear. On a literbike you'd be on your ass. Just like everything else bike-related, pushing for low 1/4 times is much more dangerous and requires a LOT more skill than a car.






Hopefully Kroze is ok, he hasn't been back for a few days.

 

[Saga]

Hopefully Kroze is ok, he hasn't been back for a few days.

Might have required an emergency use of the front brake sooner than expected.

 

[Kroze]

I'm still alive! sheesh! everybody is a critic.

 

[DarkThinker]

...I only use 2 fingers. It's just too sensitive.

yep, that's what she said.

You need to know how to use both, true, but you can do everything with the front. The same is not true for the rear.

Yes and she said this as well.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I'm still alive! sheesh! everybody is a critic.

Kroze, you really need to take our advice a bit more seriously. I am not at ALL joking or exaggerating when I say that I personally see people in your EXACT shoes get hurt every single Spring.

Your braking habits in particular increase your stopping distance by 5-6 TIMES what it should be, AND bikes really don't brake all that well to begin with.