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RetailDirect

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Originally posted by: DasFox
RetailDirect, I recommend:

Corsair or OCZ for memory
AMD 64x for CPU
Logitech MX-518 for mouse

As far as modular PSUs, can't say I understand them, but the Antec NEO 550 I use seems to be somewhat modular in design, if we mean the ability to plug in the back what you need.

What exactly is the definition of a modular PSU?

Good Luck
Aloha

Modular is just that you plug in the front only the cables that you need.

Ive gone with AMD for so long, Im just ready for a change. I also wanted to be ready for Conroe without switching my entire mobo.

I will look into the MX518 as Ive heard it is a great gaming mouse as well.

 

Operandi

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Originally posted by: RetailDirect
From what Ive read, the Hiper seems to be a great PSU but you and some others in here have recommended against it..? Im just so in love with modular PSUs with braided cables ever since I built a buddies rig and used an Ultra 500W PSU (I do know that those are crap).

It's not the worst thing in the world but on the other hand it's not very good either, the fact that it?s riced out doesn?t help.

Basically it has the performance of a mediocre $40-60 500 watt PSU, any Seasonic, or higher-model Enhance or Forton-Source will easily put it to shame.
 

SuperSix

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Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: SuperSix
Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
ultra psus = fire. google it
Do what Howard says or Jonnyguru or Galvanized Yankee recommend, they are the true power supply gurus on this thread, and you would be safe to disregard most other's input.
Whoah, this is heavy. :eek: Compared to those two, I'm like a newborn baby.

Howard.. you may or may not know I am a close friend of JonnyGURU..

Because of that - he sends me links to most PS threads he posts in, and I've noticed you are VERY knowledgeable and intelligent - you are up there with the best of them!

And I'm no n00b - I've been slinging computer hardware on the distribution level from 10 years or so...

Put it this way: When I hired JonnyGURU, he hasn't worked a non-computer related job since, and that was MANY moons ago. ;)

I, and anyone intelligent, appreciate your efforts here on AT.

:beer:
 

SuperSix

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Originally posted by: RetailDirect
Originally posted by: SuperSix
Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
ultra psus = fire. google it

You're an idiot.

OP - I think it's a GREAT rig, you did a great job.

I run the 930/CNPS9500 combo, and love it. Damn near silent, and well worth the $$$. (IMO). You can get the 9500 w/o LED fan for a few bucks less. I don't think the Zalman is THAT intrusive, Here's pics of my rig: http://ihadav8.com/gallery/ComputerPics

I will also be getting a Zalman VGA cooler, the stock cooler on my 6800GS is a bit loud, and I want it to run as cool and quiet as possible. Maybe you mshould consider that too, as you plan to do the volt mod on your vid card.

I am partial to Corsair, but Mushkin is good as well.

I agree with most - I would recommend a different power supply.

Do what Howard says or Jonnyguru or Galvanized Yankee recommend, they are the true power supply gurus on this thread, and you would be safe to disregard most other's input.

Too bad my case doesnt have a window because I think the Zalman 9500 (in your pics) is just plain gorgeous - no ugly fan to look at!

From what Ive read, the Hiper seems to be a great PSU but you and some others in here have recommended against it..? Im just so in love with modular PSUs with braided cables ever since I built a buddies rig and used an Ultra 500W PSU (I do know that those are crap).

I'll definately look into that Zalman VGA cooler as I know I will have to do something once I perform that voltmod.

Thanks for the input!

Again - I love my Zalman - I was flat out amazed at the performance and quiet operation of the CNPS9500.

I can't really have a solid comment on the HiPer unit, as I have never sold or used one. (Unlike others in this thread).

I do have experience with (name brand units) Asus/Sparkle/Fortron/OCZ/Ultra/Thermaltake/Antec/etc/etc/etc) PS units, and *I* like most of them. Basically, there's better units you can get.

 

RetailDirect

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Originally posted by: Operandi
Originally posted by: RetailDirect
From what Ive read, the Hiper seems to be a great PSU but you and some others in here have recommended against it..? Im just so in love with modular PSUs with braided cables ever since I built a buddies rig and used an Ultra 500W PSU (I do know that those are crap).

It's not the worst thing in the world but on the other hand it's not very good either, the fact that it?s riced out doesn?t help.

Basically it has the performance of a mediocre $40-60 500 watt PSU, any Seasonic, or higher-model Enhance or Forton-Source will easily put it to shame.


Actually, its a very clean design (IMO) and compliments a clean case design like Lian-Li.

I did see an Enermax Liberty 620 that is modular and quite nice... I do wonder though with my system specs (non sli and one hdd) do I need such a wild animal as the Enermax?
 

Howard

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Originally posted by: RetailDirect
Originally posted by: Operandi
Originally posted by: RetailDirect
From what Ive read, the Hiper seems to be a great PSU but you and some others in here have recommended against it..? Im just so in love with modular PSUs with braided cables ever since I built a buddies rig and used an Ultra 500W PSU (I do know that those are crap).

It's not the worst thing in the world but on the other hand it's not very good either, the fact that it?s riced out doesn?t help.

Basically it has the performance of a mediocre $40-60 500 watt PSU, any Seasonic, or higher-model Enhance or Forton-Source will easily put it to shame.


Actually, its a very clean design (IMO) and compliments a clean case design like Lian-Li.

I did see an Enermax Liberty 620 that is modular and quite nice... I do wonder though with my system specs (non sli and one hdd) do I need such a wild animal as the Enermax?
No.
 

Operandi

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Originally posted by: RetailDirect
Originally posted by: Operandi
Originally posted by: RetailDirect
From what Ive read, the Hiper seems to be a great PSU but you and some others in here have recommended against it..? Im just so in love with modular PSUs with braided cables ever since I built a buddies rig and used an Ultra 500W PSU (I do know that those are crap).

It's not the worst thing in the world but on the other hand it's not very good either, the fact that it?s riced out doesn?t help.

Basically it has the performance of a mediocre $40-60 500 watt PSU, any Seasonic, or higher-model Enhance or Forton-Source will easily put it to shame.


Actually, its a very clean design (IMO) and compliments a clean case design like Lian-Li.

I did see an Enermax Liberty 620 that is modular and quite nice... I do wonder though with my system specs (non sli and one hdd) do I need such a wild animal as the Enermax?

Well it's ascetics are debatable I guess, I think it looks stupid.

The important stuff is one the inside however and Hiper-R is average at best, that?s very much less debatable.

Do you need a 600 watt Enermax?, no of course not but quality is more important then quantity. As a matter of fact a 380 watt Seaonic S12 would run your system just fine and would be a better choice then the Hiper.
 

jonnyGURU

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Originally posted by: Operandi

Anyway, the Hiper-R is $30-40 PSU, the remainder of the of the $100 is bling; it's a rip-off. You would be much better off with a Seasonic, Forton-Source, or Enhance (they have modular offering), if you want a real high quality PSU.

Operandi has no first hand experience with anything he talks about.

If he did, he could give you an intelligent answer about why not to use a Hiper instead of "it's a $30 PSU with $100 of bling" and "it's a rip-off."

It might be wise to not listen to people's advice unless they can give you sound reasoning behind it.

The Hiper is a good power supply, but with it's own issues:

It's NOT a 580W. It's based on an Andyson 550W. It's a good 550W, but relabeling like that pisses me off in ever way.

Second, the modular connectors have a design flaw. They bring two 12V wires down to a single connection on many of the connectors. You'll find such example as the 6-pin PCI-e going down to a single 3-pin coaxial. Just a bad design IMHO.

It also has crossload issues due to a lack of independent regulation, but you're not going to be crossloading the unit. I don't even know why I do crossload tests in reviews anymore. Nobody should be using ATX12V PSU's in Socket A boards anyway. Hell, people shouldn't still be using Socket A! ;) I don't know why they do them at X-bit anymore either.... oh wait, that's right... they like "drama!" :D

Personally, I'd pass. But it's still a decent unit and if you like the way it looks then go for it. It's not going to blow your parts up, but if you have "issues" don't be surprised if it's because of low voltages due to resistance at the modular connection.
 

bob4432

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Unfortunately due to changes in the VRM requirements for Conroe, no current LGA-775 motherboards will work with the new processor.

this sux for the op :(
 

jonnyGURU

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Originally posted by: Operandi


It's not the worst thing in the world but on the other hand it's not very good either, the fact that it?s riced out doesn?t help.

Basically it has the performance of a mediocre $40-60 500 watt PSU, any Seasonic, or higher-model Enhance or Forton-Source will easily put it to shame.

Watch your blanket statements. This happens a lot. People always go "FSP, FSP, FSP" because FSP REALLY DOES make a fantastic product, but the SAGA (AX) series is a notch below mediocre and the OP would actually be better off with the Hiper than with an FSP Saga series.

 

RetailDirect

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Originally posted by: jonnyGURU
Originally posted by: Operandi

Anyway, the Hiper-R is $30-40 PSU, the remainder of the of the $100 is bling; it's a rip-off. You would be much better off with a Seasonic, Forton-Source, or Enhance (they have modular offering), if you want a real high quality PSU.

Operandi has no first hand experience with anything he talks about.

If he did, he could give you an intelligent answer about why not to use a Hiper instead of "it's a $30 PSU with $100 of bling" and "it's a rip-off."

It might be wise to not listen to people's advice unless they can give you sound reasoning behind it.

The Hiper is a good power supply, but with it's own issues:

It's NOT a 580W. It's based on an Andyson 550W. It's a good 550W, but relabeling like that pisses me off in ever way.

Second, the modular connectors have a design flaw. They bring two 12V wires down to a single connection on many of the connectors. You'll find such example as the 6-pin PCI-e going down to a single 3-pin coaxial. Just a bad design IMHO.

It also has crossload issues due to a lack of independent regulation, but you're not going to be crossloading the unit. I don't even know why I do crossload tests in reviews anymore. Nobody should be using ATX12V PSU's in Socket A boards anyway. Hell, people shouldn't still be using Socket A! ;) I don't know why they do them at X-bit anymore either.... oh wait, that's right... they like "drama!" :D

Personally, I'd pass. But it's still a decent unit and if you like the way it looks then go for it. It's not going to blow your parts up, but if you have "issues" don't be surprised if it's because of low voltages due to resistance at the modular connection.

Thanks for breaking it down for me... I am so in love with modular but since my case doesn't have a window, I guess I COULD live without it.

Would the Enermax Liberty models offer less resistance with their modular connections??

If the Enermax Liberty models do have better modular connections, then I would go with that and eBay my Hiper... But if the resistance is the same, what would be the best alternative in this price range?

Again, thanks for the professional input!!
 

RetailDirect

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Originally posted by: bob4432
Unfortunately due to changes in the VRM requirements for Conroe, no current LGA-775 motherboards will work with the new processor.

this sux for the op :(

I read that too.. :-(

Certainly it cant be true!! Im not sure what VRM is but hopefully it can be remedied with a bios flash...

I do have a question relating to my motherboard and maybe I should start another thread in that section but my P5WD2-E is a 975X chipset and supports crossfire. I was under the impression that the chipset is what determined your dual PCIe options?? Is Intel in a partnership with ATi on this and integrated ATi's crossfire onto the 975X??

 

bob4432

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Originally posted by: RetailDirect
Originally posted by: bob4432
Unfortunately due to changes in the VRM requirements for Conroe, no current LGA-775 motherboards will work with the new processor.

this sux for the op :(

I read that too.. :-(

Certainly it cant be true!! Im not sure what VRM is but hopefully it can be remedied with a bios flash...

I do have a question relating to my motherboard and maybe I should start another thread in that section but my P5WD2-E is a 975X chipset and supports crossfire. I was under the impression that the chipset is what determined your dual PCIe options?? Is Intel in a partnership with ATi on this and integrated ATi's crossfire onto the 975X??

i am pretty sure VRM has to do with hardware and board setup....

not really sure about your 2nd question...what do you mean?
 

RetailDirect

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Im not really sure what I meant :confused:

I guess I just want to know how the board can be an Intel chipset but support Xfire.
 

jonnyGURU

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Originally posted by: RetailDirect
Originally posted by: jonnyGURU
Originally posted by: Operandi

Anyway, the Hiper-R is $30-40 PSU, the remainder of the of the $100 is bling; it's a rip-off. You would be much better off with a Seasonic, Forton-Source, or Enhance (they have modular offering), if you want a real high quality PSU.

Operandi has no first hand experience with anything he talks about.

If he did, he could give you an intelligent answer about why not to use a Hiper instead of "it's a $30 PSU with $100 of bling" and "it's a rip-off."

It might be wise to not listen to people's advice unless they can give you sound reasoning behind it.

The Hiper is a good power supply, but with it's own issues:

It's NOT a 580W. It's based on an Andyson 550W. It's a good 550W, but relabeling like that pisses me off in ever way.

Second, the modular connectors have a design flaw. They bring two 12V wires down to a single connection on many of the connectors. You'll find such example as the 6-pin PCI-e going down to a single 3-pin coaxial. Just a bad design IMHO.

It also has crossload issues due to a lack of independent regulation, but you're not going to be crossloading the unit. I don't even know why I do crossload tests in reviews anymore. Nobody should be using ATX12V PSU's in Socket A boards anyway. Hell, people shouldn't still be using Socket A! ;) I don't know why they do them at X-bit anymore either.... oh wait, that's right... they like "drama!" :D

Personally, I'd pass. But it's still a decent unit and if you like the way it looks then go for it. It's not going to blow your parts up, but if you have "issues" don't be surprised if it's because of low voltages due to resistance at the modular connection.

Thanks for breaking it down for me... I am so in love with modular but since my case doesn't have a window, I guess I COULD live without it.

Would the Enermax Liberty models offer less resistance with their modular connections??

If the Enermax Liberty models do have better modular connections, then I would go with that and eBay my Hiper... But if the resistance is the same, what would be the best alternative in this price range?

Again, thanks for the professional input!!


I'm going to say that ANY modular PSU I've worked with has a better connection solution than the Hiper, outside of aesthetics (the Hiper coaxes do look slick as you-know-what.)

Liberty, Enhance/Silverstone, Ultra, Antec, Superflower.... any of them are better.

You already have the Hiper. Use it. If you start having problems, swap it. Like I said, it's not a bad PSU. It's has a few design flaws, but you already own it. Give it a shot.
 

gchanjam

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Just a side note but you do know that that Lian-Li has no external 3.5" bay for setting up SATA drives and the like so it adds one more task to your build.
 

jonnyGURU

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If you're using XP SP2 and no RAID then you wont need it.
 

Operandi

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Originally posted by: jonnyGURU
Originally posted by: Operandi

Anyway, the Hiper-R is $30-40 PSU, the remainder of the of the $100 is bling; it's a rip-off. You would be much better off with a Seasonic, Forton-Source, or Enhance (they have modular offering), if you want a real high quality PSU.

Operandi has no first hand experience with anything he talks about.

If he did, he could give you an intelligent answer about why not to use a Hiper instead of "it's a $30 PSU with $100 of bling" and "it's a rip-off."

It might be wise to not listen to people's advice unless they can give you sound reasoning behind it.

The Hiper is a good power supply, but with it's own issues:

It's NOT a 580W. It's based on an Andyson 550W. It's a good 550W, but relabeling like that pisses me off in ever way.

Second, the modular connectors have a design flaw. They bring two 12V wires down to a single connection on many of the connectors. You'll find such example as the 6-pin PCI-e going down to a single 3-pin coaxial. Just a bad design IMHO.

It also has crossload issues due to a lack of independent regulation, but you're not going to be crossloading the unit. I don't even know why I do crossload tests in reviews anymore. Nobody should be using ATX12V PSU's in Socket A boards anyway. Hell, people shouldn't still be using Socket A! ;) I don't know why they do them at X-bit anymore either.... oh wait, that's right... they like "drama!" :D

Personally, I'd pass. But it's still a decent unit and if you like the way it looks then go for it. It's not going to blow your parts up, but if you have "issues" don't be surprised if it's because of low voltages due to resistance at the modular connection.

I don't need first hand experience to make a judgment call. I've seen the reviews and read what others that are qualified have to say about it. I?m not going to spend $100 to buy the Hiper just to prove a point.

The bottom line is there is nothing that makes the Hiper-R worth spending anywhere near $100 on it. It is not a high-end PSU despite what the marketing would have you believe, hence rip-off.