Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

[Hulk]

Since we already have the first Raptor Lake leak I'm thinking it should have it's own thread.
What do we know so far?
From Anandtech's Intel Process Roadmap articles from July:

Built on Intel 7 with upgraded FinFET
10-15% PPW (performance-per-watt)
Last non-tiled consumer CPU as Meteor Lake will be tiled

I'm guessing this will be a minor update to ADL with just a few microarchitecture changes to the cores. The larger change will be the new process refinement allowing 8+16 at the top of the stack.

Will it work with current z690 motherboards? If yes then that could be a major selling point for people to move to ADL rather than wait.

 

[Exist50]

That is not exactly the whole story. Most games were the same or slightly faster with the e cores enabled. It is just that the four games that were faster with e cores disabled were faster by a quite large margin. The average difference over the entire suite of games is with within the margin of error for either condition.

Also, the testing was all done in Windows 10, deliberately to highlight the supposed worst case scenario.

 

[nicalandia]

The 13900K and The 13900HX share the same die and stepping. Same CPU

Micro-Star International Co., Ltd. MS-7D42 vs Razer Blade 18 - RZ09-0484 - Geekbench

So far we can confirm that.

13600K/KF
13700
13700T
13700K/KF
13900
13900T
13900HX
13900K/KF/KS

Will use the same die.

Any other CPU like 13600 non-x, The 13700H, 13700HS 13700HK, 13700HX and 13900H, 13900HS and 13900HK will be based on different die with 1.25 MiB L2$ on P Core and 2 MiB on the e core cluster.

SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS CO., LTD. 960XFH vs SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS CO., LTD. 960XFH - Geekbench

 

[Tigerick]

The 13900K and The 13900HX share the same die and stepping. Same CPU

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Micro-Star International Co., Ltd. MS-7D42 vs Razer Blade 18 - RZ09-0484 - Geekbench

So far we can confirm that.

13600K/KF
13700
13700T
13700K/KF
13900
13900T
13900HX
13900K/KF/KS

Will use the same die.

Any other CPU like 13600 non-x, The 13700H, 13700HS 13700HK, 13700HX and 13900H, 13900HS and 13900HK will be based on different die with 1.25 MiB L2$ on P Core and 2 MiB on the e core cluster.

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SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS CO., LTD. 960XFH vs SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS CO., LTD. 960XFH - Geekbench

13th H series seems like Alder Lake refresh. HX series are the true Raptor Lake mobile but with standard 55W+ TDP and more expensive prices, wonder how they are going to compete with AMD Dragon Range

 

[nicalandia]

13th H series seems like Alder Lake refresh. HX series are the true Raptor Lake mobile but with standard 55W+ TDP

The 13700HX is Alder Lake Refresh.

 

[nicalandia]

This is a Comparison of The 13700HX which is a Alder Lake refresh(You could call it a rebranded 12900K) with Gracemont Core Clusters(2.00 MiB Per Cluster) and The 13700K with Raptormont Core Clusters(4.00 MiB Per Cluster)

LENOVO 82WQ vs LENOVO 82WQ - Geekbench

Edited to post correct link.

 

[dullard]

This is a Comparison of The 13700HX which is a Alder Lake refresh(You could call it a rebranded 12900HX) with Gracemont Core Clusters(2.00 MiB Per Cluster) and The 13700K with Raptormont Core Clusters(4.00 MiB Per Cluster)

LENOVO 82WQ vs LENOVO 82WQ - Geekbench

Your link isn't a comparison (both of them are the same 13700HX CPU). The URL shows benchmark 5871651 vs the same baseline benchmark 5871651.

Rebranding CPUs (sometimes with a slight frequency bin tweak) is common. It allows a company to lower prices ~25% in a year for the same CPU without calling it a price cut. It is a good thing.

 

[nicalandia]

Your link isn't a comparison (both of them are the same 13700HX CPU).

Thanks, I must have put the wrong link, but you can see the screen shot right?

This is the correct link

Z690 Steel Legend vs LENOVO 82WQ - Geekbench

What I am trying to say is.. The Only Mobile CPU Intel is releasing with Raptor Cove and Raptormont Hybrid design is The 13900HX. That's it.

 

[dullard]

Thanks, I must have put the wrong link, but you can see the screen shot right?

This is the correct link

Z690 Steel Legend vs LENOVO 82WQ - Geekbench

Thanks, that link worked. Yes, I can see the screen shots. I just wanted more info, so I clicked and got confused.

 

[Henry swagger]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1593807871401234432

Rt heavy games. Reveal true cpu ipc

 

[Markfw]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1593807871401234432

Rt heavy games. Reveal true cpu ipc

There isn't any Zen 4 CPUs even tested there. Talk about biased. Not even worth looking at.

 

[igor_kavinski]

There isn't any Zen 4 CPUs even tested there.

Thanks for pointing that out. That's a glaring omission.

TPU should have them soon. But they are also biased.

Computerbase has GPU only benchmarks so far.

 

[Markfw]

Thanks for pointing that out. That's a glaring omission.

TPU should have them soon. But they are also biased.

The other reason I bring it up, is that some people will use anything, no matter how biased to make their favorite company look good. Quoting crap like that is even worse than the originator.

 

[phillyman36]

deleted wrong thread again sorry.

 

[igor_kavinski]

5900X is looking really good there. I almost got a 5950X+mobo+RAM for $650 on these forums. But then the seller pulled out coz he had some sort of fit against AMD mobos for being too expensive and sold off his 7950X+RAM and kept the 5950X

 

[inf64]

Also there is no 5800X3D in the chart, inexcusable.

 

[Racan]

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[Racan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1593807871401234432

Rt heavy games. Reveal true cpu ipc

It reveals what a failure Rocket Lake was, even the R5 5600X is trouncing the i9 11900K without RT and with RT the i9 only manages to match it.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Those bar graphs show how impressive 12th and 13th gen are versus 10th and 11th gen. The gap between the 13900kf and 11900k is massive. Intel found their mojo.

I wouldn't disparage Rocket lake over its performance though. This is a game where a locked 60fps is all you need, and the stock 11600K handles it with very high + RT.

Plenty of sites will have the best AMD CPUs tested. This one would have done better to leave AMD out completely. It only draws criticism and detracts from the huge uplift that LGA 1700 brought. And how fierce the Raptor is; feasting on its predecessors.

 

[igor_kavinski]

And how fierce the Raptor is; feasting on its predecessors.

This game seems to reward the presence of more cores with good mutlicore scaling. Hence why 5900X is near the top. I think there's a good chance the 7950X could be the winner here.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

This game seems to reward the presence of more cores with good mutlicore scaling. Hence why 5900X is near the top. I think there's a good chance the 7950X could be the winner here.

It should be similar to Spiderman Remastered, since it is the same teams porting it over. In which case the 13900K is the fastest CPU. They added RT shadows but that should hit all CPUs the same.

 

[Carfax83]

This game seems to reward the presence of more cores with good mutlicore scaling. Hence why 5900X is near the top. I think there's a good chance the 7950X could be the winner here.

13900K is out in front by a significant margin in Spiderman which uses the exact same engine minus the RT shadows:

 

[igor_kavinski]

In which case the 13900K is the fastest CPU.

I was looking at the first GameGPU graph. Why are there two graphs with everything same except the scores? :S

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I was looking at the first GameGPU graph. Why are there two graphs with everything same except the scores? :S

One is with ray tracing, one is without.

 

[igor_kavinski]

One is with ray tracing, one is without.

Ah. I see it now. Wow. RT totally turns the tables on the 5900X. 12600K just vrooms past it with unlimited nitro boost.

 

[Henry swagger]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1596109175326900224

Games with ray tracing love wider and deeper cores.. 512 rb is too strong