Question Raptor Lake - Official Thread

[Hulk]

Since we already have the first Raptor Lake leak I'm thinking it should have it's own thread.
What do we know so far?
From Anandtech's Intel Process Roadmap articles from July:

Built on Intel 7 with upgraded FinFET
10-15% PPW (performance-per-watt)
Last non-tiled consumer CPU as Meteor Lake will be tiled

I'm guessing this will be a minor update to ADL with just a few microarchitecture changes to the cores. The larger change will be the new process refinement allowing 8+16 at the top of the stack.

Will it work with current z690 motherboards? If yes then that could be a major selling point for people to move to ADL rather than wait.

 

[Hulk]

The 13900K Linux Benchmarks have been taken down(I guess under Threat by Intel), but I was able to get a screenshot of the Geometric mean of all tests results.

View attachment 69437

Wow, neck-and-neck. Only thing is looking at 12900K and 5950X scores we know in the real world they are very comparable. So I'm thinking the 7950X is going to be on top for most applications.

 

[Carfax83]

Not sure if a CPU bottleneck exists at 4K. Seen any such indication in benchmarks anywhere?

It shows up in the 1% lows for the most part, but with an extremely powerful GPU like the RTX 4090, it could also show up in the averages depending on the game. Also, some games are just very CPU dependent regardless of resolution.

Games are starting to lean on the CPU more since the PS5 and XSX launches I've noticed, which is a good thing. Hopefully we'll get more realistic simulation and physics in future games.

 

[Carfax83]

I'm surprised no reviews are out yet. In Australia, it's already the afternoon. I figured HWU would be the first to drop a review.

 

[Thunder 57]

I'm surprised no reviews are out yet. In Australia, it's already the afternoon. I figured HWU would be the first to drop a review.

NDA's expire at the same time. 9am EST/EDT is very common so look around 13:00 GMT.

 

[coercitiv]

NDA,s expire at the same time. 9am EST/EDT is very common so look around 13:00 GMT.

The product is up for sale in my country (EU), so it feels that much weirder to not have reviews released already.

 

[Thunder 57]

The product is up for sale in my country (EU), so it feels that much weirder to not have reviews released already.

Well apparently they showed up nearly a week ago in another country as @Kocicak has had one for awhile. Probably a mistake. Don't expect anything official until early afternoon EU time.

 

[Kocicak]

multithread grunt

I just checked what GRUNT really means and it did not work out well this time, speaking foreign language can be sometimes tricky.

 

[Rigg]

Raphael is already getting undercut by Raptor Lake at Micro Center. Seriously, who is the moron that thought 7600x @ $300 and 7700x @ $400 was a good 2022 sales strategy? I guess the supposed Intel "up to 20%" price increase is out the window.

 

[Thunder 57]

I just checked what GRUNT really means and it did not work out well this time, speaking foreign language can be sometimes tricky.

Depends on what you think it means. "Multithreaded grunt" works well enough for US English. I don't think you confused anyone.

 

[Thunder 57]

Raphael is already getting undercut by Raptor Lake at Micro Center. Seriously, who is the moron that thought 7600x @ $300 and 7700x @ $400 was a good 2022 sales strategy? I guess the supposed Intel "up to 20%" price increase is out the window. View attachment 69465View attachment 69466

Intel is either very smart or they have a turd on their hands. Guess we'll find out in a few hours. I'm leaning towards the former, assuming those prices stick.

 

[coercitiv]

Intel is either very smart or they have a turd on their hands. Guess we'll find out in a few hours. I'm leaning towards the former, assuming those prices stick.

I have no doubt the product is good, but I also think they had quite a shock with ADL sales, in the sense that they did not expect Zen 3 to hold up so well in DIY. I guess it was time for Intel to see what an eroded brand image looks like.

 

[inf64]

Pricing looks great, but I wonder what will this do to their ASPs and margins on desktop? The Raptor Lake die is bigger and more expensive, undercutting this much will surely have an effect on their profit margins.

 

[sze5003]

Raphael is already getting undercut by Raptor Lake at Micro Center. Seriously, who is the moron that thought 7600x @ $300 and 7700x @ $400 was a good 2022 sales strategy? I guess the supposed Intel "up to 20%" price increase is out the window. View attachment 69465View attachment 69466

Wasn't suggested retail for 13900k $589? My microcenter said they will have plenty of 13th gen chips so no need to camp or wait in line early.

They will also have z790 boards too but I'm curious how many people will buy the cpu and board today, because they don't really have any ddr5 ram available and what they do have I've never found on my motherboard approved list in the past.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Pricing looks great, but I wonder what will this do to their ASPs and margins on desktop? The Raptor Lake die is bigger and more expensive, undercutting this much will surely have an effect on their profit margins.

They are praying that they sell as many as they can before the monster Zen4X3D hits the market.

 

[inf64]

They are praying that they sell as many as they can before the monster Zen4X3D hits the market.

I doubt they care that much about X3D parts from AMD. In the current economic climate, people will most likely buy what is more affordable to them or has better perf./$ value. The X3D parts will be the best for gaming but more expensive and will provide small performance increases in non-gaming tasks (as seen with 5800X3D). It's a niche segment.

 

[igor_kavinski]

The X3D parts will be the best for gaming but more expensive and will provide small performance increases in non-gaming tasks (as seen with 5800X3D). It's a niche segment.

Do you believe that the non-gaming crowd with multicore workloads outnumbers the gaming crowd?

 

[DrMrLordX]

Raphael is already getting undercut by Raptor Lake at Micro Center. Seriously, who is the moron that thought 7600x @ $300 and 7700x @ $400 was a good 2022 sales strategy? I guess the supposed Intel "up to 20%" price increase is out the window.

Look at the bright side: it's great for consumers buying over the extended holiday season.

 

[inf64]

Do you believe that the non-gaming crowd with multicore workloads outnumbers the gaming crowd?

Honestly I have no idea, but if we see an 8 core X3D part that costs like 7900X, I doubt that its value will be on-par with 7900X. 7900X should still be a top-tier gaming part with 50% more cores for background tasks.

 

[Gideon]

Raphael is already getting undercut by Raptor Lake at Micro Center. Seriously, who is the moron that thought 7600x @ $300 and 7700x @ $400 was a good 2022 sales strategy? I guess the supposed Intel "up to 20%" price increase is out the window. View attachment 69465

In my country only 13700K is available for ~550€ so this might just be an excellent deal. Let's see in a couple of hours

 

[nicalandia]

First Reviews are Coming Up Live..!

Intel Core i9-13900K review

It's been a processor series that has seen leaks, performance reviews and what not. But finally today Intel unleashes its new Rocket Lake based CPU architecture; we start off with the review of the C...

www.guru3d.com

First IPC tests.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Intel Core i9-13900K and Core i5-13600K Review - Showdown of the 13th Generation and a 3/4 Crown for the last big Monolith | igor'sLAB (igorslab.de)

Igor!

AT review! Intel Core i9-13900K and i5-13600K Review: Raptor Lake Brings More Bite (anandtech.com)

 

[nicalandia]

Guru3D review

Intel Core i9-13900K Review - Power-Hungry Beast

With the Core i9-13900K, Intel delivers impressive performance. Our in-depth review confirms: Raptor Lake is the world's fastest CPU for gaming. Even in applications the processor is able to match AMD's Zen 4 Ryzen 9 7950X flagship. If only power consumption wasn't so high...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[nicalandia]

Gaming Performance...

 

[Thunder 57]

It performs well I'll give it that, but the power!!!?

While Intel has put together a very competitive chip, they've also put together a chip that will guzzle power when allowed to – even more so than 12900K(S). In our testing, power consumption topped out at a absurd 335 Watts, over 100W more than the Ryzen 9 7950X. Those high frequencies and the additional E-cores don't come for free, even with Intel's v/f curve improvements reducing the cost.

Both taken from Anandtech:

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[Timorous]

Techspot review.