Rapes in military

[jonks]

Why do liberals despise Fundie Xtians, but love to defend Fundie muslims?

shens as usual. Please find someone defending the actions of the egyptian mob. Now you might find someone saying it's unfair to slander a billion people because of what happened in egypt, and if you disagree with that I can't really help you.

 

[Phokus]

People weren't saying 'don't get mad about a journalist getting raped' they were getting mad about how quick people are to blame an entire culture for something like that.

This times infinity.

 

[OCGuy]

People weren't saying 'don't get mad about a journalist getting raped' they were getting mad about how quick people are to blame an entire culture for something like that.

Because that culture places women and non-Muslims as 2nd class citizens. This was not some random happening. They wont even deny it. Ask them. They are not ashamed of it.

They are taught that women are inferior. That Western women are even more inferior. So yes, the culture has a lot to do with this.

 

[jonks]

Because that culture places women and non-Muslims as 2nd class citizens. This was not some random happening. They wont even deny it. Ask them. They are not ashamed of it.

They are taught that women are inferior. That Western women are even more inferior. So yes, the culture has a lot to do with this.

By that logic western rapes are far worse because here we are taught to respect women, but this incident shows how actually we don't give a shit, hence the hypocrisy. I'll assume you don't approve of the handling of this case but why does your condemnation stop with the perpetrators of this crime and not the entire military culture that tacitly condones it?

 

[OCGuy]

By that logic western rapes are far worse because here we are taught to respect women, but this incident shows how actually we don't give a shit, hence the hypocrisy. I'll assume you don't approve of the handling of this case but why does your condemnation stop with the perpetrators of this crime and not the entire military culture that tacitly condones it?

Because the military culture does not condone rape. Go interview any soldier, they will be appalled at the rape of women.

Go do some "man on the street" interviews with those protesters or other relig-nuts over there and ask them what they think of what happened to the reporter.

I bet the response is much different.

 

[Phokus]

Because that culture places women and non-Muslims as 2nd class citizens. This was not some random happening. They wont even deny it. Ask them. They are not ashamed of it.

They are taught that women are inferior. That Western women are even more inferior. So yes, the culture has a lot to do with this.

It's probably because you paint the whole culture under the same brush. Yes, fundy islamic muslims do that, but you'll be surprised to know that there are practicing Muslims that let their women dress as they wish and don't all want to click a detonator. When you point that out, be honest, it's not because you give a shit about the plight about someone over there, it's because you want to justify your hatred at them and justify invading those 'savages'.

Besides that, since when do conservatives give a shit about women's rights and gay rights. Spidey, for example, always posts mysoginistic shit and specifically married his woman because she 'knew her place'. Not exactly an unpopular position for American conservatives.

Edit: Speaking of spidey, totally forgot my sig.

 

[Steeplerot]

Because that culture places women and non-Muslims as 2nd class citizens. This was not some random happening. They wont even deny it. Ask them. They are not ashamed of it.

They are taught that women are inferior. That Western women are even more inferior. So yes, the culture has a lot to do with this.

Flip that around and fundies here not only believe in woman subservience also fundies think muslims are a false bearer and thus evil without accepting their christ. Dont act like liberals don't hear this shit on streetcorners from baptist churches etc their whole lives here and see the same divisive culture in both groups who really are just haters with slightly differing views of some desert fairy.

Your problem is you cannot separate the fundies from the normal folks, like here not everyone is of one mindset. If you think this about muslim culture you are ignorant or willing to be led into divisive bullshit -probably from one of our fundies. The problem isn't muslims or some broad culture you are trying to put people into, its reactionary mindsets people have that religion helps foment everywhere.

 

[OCGuy]

Flip that around and fundies here not only believe in woman subservience also fundies think muslims are a false bearer and thus evil without accepting their christ. Dont act like liberals don't hear this shit on streetcorners from baptist churches their whole lives here and see the same bullshit with a different group of haters.

Your problem is you cannot separate the fundies from the normal folks, like here not everyone is of one mindset. If you think this about muslim culture you are ignorant or willing to be led into divisive bullshit -probably from one of our fundies. The problem isn't muslims or some broad culture you are trying to put people into, its reactionary mindsets people have that religion helps foment everywhere.

I can absolutely seperate the normal people. Thats why I am always careful to preface "Muslims" or "Islam" with the word "fundie" or "fundamentalist" when I am condemning them.

The problem is that our whackos are extremely limited and non-violent these days. The Westboro kooks do not have the same power as the Saudi government and supporters, who dont let women show skin or drive. Or the Persian justice system which punishes rape victims, and stones women alive.

Relativists always lose because they do not understand scale or degree.

 

[JSt0rm]

The problem isn't muslims or some broad culture you are trying to put people into, its reactionary mindsets people have that religion helps foment everywhere.

Its funny that our american taliban types are the ones who hate the muslims the most and I'm sure the taliban hates them back just as much.

 

[Steeplerot]

The Westboro kooks
Relativists always lose because they do not understand scale or degree.

Using a extreme example of a discredited group does nothing to absolve the rest of fundies in the USA for violence. Wasen't there a abortion doctor just murdered in cold blood to cheers from our fundies?

Nice try. Realist? hmm. More like 3rd rate bullshitter.

 

[JSt0rm]

We need more of this not the path you simple minded fools rush down.

 

[OCGuy]

Using a extreme example of a discredited group does nothing to absolve the rest of fundies in the USA for violence. Wasen't there a abortion doctor just murdered in cold blood to cheers from our fundies?

Nice try. Realist? hmm. More like 3rd rate bullshitter.

And he was condemned and arrested and shunned by the vast majority of society. Let me know what happens to the protesters.

And calling me out for an extreme example, and bring up the Dr. killing all in the same breath?

...

 

[Steeplerot]

Its funny that our american taliban types are the ones who hate the muslims the most and I'm sure the taliban hates them back just as much.

All you can do is shake your head and hope one day the human race "grows the hell up" soon.

 

[Steeplerot]

And calling me out for an extreme example, and bring up the Dr. killing all in the same breath?

Just in my nature to share the wealth comrade.

 

[Phokus]

I can absolutely seperate the normal people. Thats why I am always careful to preface "Muslims" or "Islam" with the word "fundie" or "fundamentalist" when I am condemning them.

The problem is that our whackos are extremely limited and non-violent these days. The Westboro kooks do not have the same power as the Saudi government and supporters, who dont let women show skin or drive. Or the Persian justice system which punishes rape victims, and stones women alive.

Relativists always lose because they do not understand scale or degree.

Why would you need to be personally violent when you have the US government enacting violence and atrocities on your behalf while neo-cons cheer them on? Perhaps you don't see it as 'savagery' because there's a formal process to it all.

 

[Generator]

I don't blame our military, I blame the Egyptian muslims for setting the example that this was acceptable behavior.

No shit, huh? Going by Infohawks logic, its not rape unless there are fireworks...

Despite the rape problem in the military, I'm not going to condemn every soldier as Abu Gharib ass stacking sodomizer.

 

[Jaskalas]

Are you saying we arent capable of condemning both? Does condemning the Eqyptians somehow make the military rapes less infuriating to someone?

Rapes in the military should be met with a swift execution.

 

[cwjerome]

Are you saying we arent capable of condemning both? Does condemning the Eqyptians somehow make the military rapes less infuriating to someone?

"The West" is absolutely better than middle-east theocracies. We have come extremely far with gay and women's rights in the last 100 years.

Anyone who somehow tries to equate us with the shit-hole that is the middle east is giving credibility to their stone-age social policy.

Don't bother. Don't waste your time. These are the same basic people as those who excuse, rationalized and minimalized the rivers of blood and subjugation of over a billion people flowing from totalitarian China and USSR while widely denouncing relatively petty transgressions and problems with the United States for 45 years. It's in their DNA as self-hating societal parasites. They can't see the difference between a regressive, theocratic culture that treats women one step above slaves and the US military "culture." They act like there is no difference between Salt Lake City and Kabul. Any attempt to identify or describe poor social behavior can only be met with shrieks of "racist!" and mutterings about unwillingness to see our own shortcomings. These people are broken, damaged. Let them go.

 

[artikk]

Rapes in the military should be met with a swift execution.

This I think would be considered a disproportionate response. We should instead treat rape in military as regular(civilian) rape and punish it by the same standards.