Rapes in military

[LumbergTech]

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2011/02/16/exp.piers.morgan.military.women.cnn?hpt=Mid

this is fucked up, amazing interview...
something needs to change

 

[airdata]

I saw this on another site.

They actually told her that she didn't struggle enough.

 

[jonks]

I don't blame our military, I blame the Egyptian muslims for setting the example that this was acceptable behavior.

 

[Phokus]

I don't blame our military, I blame the Egyptian muslims for setting the example that this was acceptable behavior.

Lol seriously. As heinous as this was, this wasn't even the worst one that i can think of either, there was the Mai Lai massacre and also that one during the Iraq war where a 12 year old was gang raped, her 7 year old sister and mother/father shot in the head and burned their bodies by the troops.

Edit: Oh yeah, totally forgot about that chick that was drugged, gang raped, and kept in a container by KBR/Halliburton and had to get a congressman to get her rescued by having a guard sneak her a cellphone.

Edit: How the hell did i even forget Abu Ghraib.

 

[jonks]

Actually the focus of my jibe was not at our entire military but at the omgwearesomuchbetterthanyoumuslims folks.

 

[Phokus]

Actually the focus of my jibe was not at our entire military but at the omgwearesomuchbetterthanyoumuslims folks.

I totally got the reference. It's absolutely ridiculous how nationalists will somehow ignore their own atrocities though while screaming at others, as if we're not capable of doing that shit.

"Oh No Our White WIMMIN!" - Every shithead conservative in that thread.

 

[JSt0rm]

I don't blame our military, I blame the Egyptian muslims for setting the example that this was acceptable behavior.

I agree. except I need to say that the entire military is at fault here. These damn government workers!

 

[Steeplerot]

Conservative: This is what we git for lettin all dem moozllimz from middle america in....wait. *rushes for radio for further orders*.

 

[Steeplerot]

These damn government workers!

bullseye, this thread has great potential for sig worthy conservative hypocrisy.

I wonder which one will step in it first?

This situation is a mess, women service-people are still dominated by a bullshit misogynist system from the stone age in military culture.

 

[OCGuy]

Actually the focus of my jibe was not at our entire military but at the omgwearesomuchbetterthanyoumuslims folks.

Why do liberals despise Fundie Xtians, but love to defend Fundie muslims?


Do I have something wrong with me that allows me to think both are awful? I can still say Fundie muslims are the world's problem at this point in history, Xtains have had their turn already.


That being said, I knew it would only take a post or two for someone to try and link this story with the gang-rape story.

 

[OCGuy]

I totally got the reference. It's absolutely ridiculous how nationalists will somehow ignore their own atrocities though while screaming at others, as if we're not capable of doing that shit.

Are you saying we arent capable of condemning both? Does condemning the Eqyptians somehow make the military rapes less infuriating to someone?

"The West" is absolutely better than middle-east theocracies. We have come extremely far with gay and women's rights in the last 100 years.

Anyone who somehow tries to equate us with the shit-hole that is the middle east is giving credibility to their stone-age social policy.

 

[Phokus]

Are you saying we arent capable of condemning both? Does condemning the Eqyptians somehow make the military rapes less infuriating to someone?

You implied that we're civilized and 'they' aren't

Democracy is too good for these people. They need the iron first of a single ruler to stay in line.

Why do we try to apply what works for civilized people to places where it never can? See: Ivory Coast news as well.

Gang rape (of children even), torture, unjustified war. Yes, America is civilized.

Let me give you a refresher:

Lol seriously. As heinous as this was, this wasn't even the worst one that i can think of either, there was the Mai Lai massacre and also that one during the Iraq war where a 12 year old was gang raped, her 7 year old sister and mother/father shot in the head and burned their bodies by the troops.

Edit: Oh yeah, totally forgot about that chick that was drugged, gang raped, and kept in a container by KBR/Halliburton and had to get a congressman to get her rescued by having a guard sneak her a cellphone.

Edit: How the hell did i even forget Abu Ghraib.

 

[al981]

savages.

 

[Phokus]

"The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them" - George Orwell

Literally talking about you OCGuy.

 

[Steeplerot]

Why do liberals despise Fundie Xtians, but love to defend Fundie muslims?

Where? I call bullshit. The taliban are not much different then our fundies. We do not obsess over one culture being worse as the big picture is both kill and murder all the time for their beliefs.

More bullshit about "liberals do this".

 

[OCGuy]

Where? I call bullshit. The taliban are not much different then our fundies. We do not obsess over one culture being worse as the big picture is both kill and murder all the time for their beliefs.

Not much different? Go walk around Kabul for a night, and then go walk around Salt Lake City one night. Tell me what you think about how each group treats you.

 

[Phokus]

Why do liberals despise Fundie Xtians, but love to defend Fundie muslims?

Here's a hint: Many of us believe all organized religion is bad.

 

[OCGuy]

"The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them" - George Orwell

Literally talking about you OCGuy.

Does anyone have a quote saying how a US liberal's first reaction is to justify an atrocity by another nation instead of condemning it?

 

[Phokus]

Does anyone have a quote saying how a US liberal's first reaction is to justify an atrocity by another nation instead of condemning it?

Really? I demonstrated against the Chinese government's human rights abuses. Does that make me a conservative just because it was against another country?

 

[OCGuy]

Really? I demonstrated against the Chinese government's human rights abuses. Does that make me a conservative just because it was against another country?

No it proves you actually have the capacity to think every once in a while, instead of being so US-centric in your world view, that you have to compare every event with US policy, instead of it standing on its own merits.

You could have easily said "Well why would I demonstrate against the Chinese when we have abuses in South America?" (assuming this was the 80s)

Same thing as "Well why should I be upset about a journalist getting raped when rapes happen here too?"

 

[Sinsear]

Really? I demonstrated against the Chinese government's human rights abuses. Does that make me a conservative just because it was against another country?

No that makes you an idiot for wasting your time.

 

[Phokus]

No that makes you an idiot for wasting your time.

Better than being a piece of shit racist like yourself.

 

[Steeplerot]

Not much different? Go walk around Kabul for a night, and then go walk around Salt Lake City one night. Tell me what you think about how each group treats you.

If I get assualted it's most likely going to be an uneducated Christian in this country, so yes.

The US is also the most (or damn close even when another country is in a WAR) violent, rape filled, murderous and prison filled country hands down. Are we to assume this is because of a religion? Spare us the Christian civilization superiority bullshit. Both are corrupt societies to the core. Why hitch a wagon to ANY fundies?

Hell no.

People came to this country to get away from fundies, secularism is what makes this country work with so many cultures.

And I like it, so too bad. Fundies can piss off to middle east and they can all have a battle royale and be with their fairys if it means human race can move on finally. Be my guest.

 

[Phokus]

No it proves you actually have the capacity to think every once in a while, instead of being so US-centric in your world view, that you have to compare every event with US policy, instead of it standing on its own merits.

You could have easily said "Well why would I demonstrate against the Chinese when we have abuses in South America?" (assuming this was the 80s)

Same thing as "Well why should I be upset about a journalist getting raped when rapes happen here too?"

I, for one, didn't say that, you're twisting my words if you're implying i did, but i spoke out about you in particular because of what you said:

Democracy is too good for these people. They need the iron first of a single ruler to stay in line.

Why do we try to apply what works for civilized people to places where it never can? See: Ivory Coast news as well.

We're really not civilized. Torture was/is even a government policy. Maybe you think that since it's given the green light by government, it's ok, rather than random acts of violence by 'savages' in the street.

 

[fskimospy]

No it proves you actually have the capacity to think every once in a while, instead of being so US-centric in your world view, that you have to compare every event with US policy, instead of it standing on its own merits.

You could have easily said "Well why would I demonstrate against the Chinese when we have abuses in South America?" (assuming this was the 80s)

Same thing as "Well why should I be upset about a journalist getting raped when rapes happen here too?"

People weren't saying 'don't get mad about a journalist getting raped' they were getting mad about how quick people are to blame an entire culture for something like that.