Rape Trial jury hung. . . .

EmperorIQ

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last year 3 hs students on a field trip on our UCLA campus decided to break off from their group, tell lies to college girls that they were from girls gone wild so that they can have sex with them. When they realized that their plan wasnt working they decided to knock on a girl's door, go inside and rape her, 3 of them. 3 freaking guys raping one girl. I remember a week later in our school newspaper some students were actually saying that they were just kids and didn't know what they were doing, so they shouldn't be tried (sp?) as adults. i don't give a sh!t how old you are (they are 17 btw) they should be tried as adults (i don't know for sure if they are or not, but here is apparently what happened with the jury as of now)
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seriously unbelievable:|
 

SpecialEd

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Originally posted by: Klixxer
They shouldn't be tried, they should just be taken out back and shot.

agreed



I didn't mean to copy you DrumminBoy, it just worked out that way.
 

Vette73

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[KobeFan] Shes a slutt, she wanted it. I mean those guys could get any girl[/KobeFan] :roll:
 

AFB

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Yeah, they should be punished. Still, I never understood this try as an adult thing. Should retarded people be tried as a child ?
 

Stark

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By Cynthia Daniels, Times Staff Writer


Jurors deadlocked Thursday on charges that three high school students raped a UCLA freshman after they left a tour of the university and made their way into a campus dormitory.

The defendants had argued that the sex was consensual, and several jurors said after the trial that the accuser's credibility was an issue.


"There was never any question that what they did wasn't the smartest thing," said a juror who would identify herself only as Candace, a Culver City resident. "But that does not make them rapists."

The jury of nine women and three men deadlocked 11 to 1 in favor of acquittal for Jamar Dawson and Chuwan Anthony, both 18, on charges of rape and forcible oral copulation. The jury was more evenly divided on those charges against Deshawn Carter Stringer, 19.

As the verdicts were read, the defendants stared straight ahead. Two jurors began crying, one holding her head in her hands. Family and friends of the defendants cried silently, and some said, "Thank you, Jesus."

The accuser was not in the courtroom.

Throughout the trial, defense lawyers argued that consent was the crucial issue, contending that the alleged victim, identified only as Jane Doe, never said "No." The jurors said her believability created a problem.

The incident began when the three young men, at the time students at Carson High School, broke away from a tour of the campus and began entering residence halls.

Their accuser said she was at her desk writing an essay when she heard a knock. She testified that the three young men identified themselves as football players from a Florida college who planned to transfer to UCLA.

She said that she allowed Stringer into her room and that he began to make sexually suggestive comments. She testified that after Stringer raped her, the other two walked into her room uninvited and did the same.

Several hours later, the young woman, accompanied by friends, reported the incident at the campus police station.

The three men, however, said that the sex was consensual and that the woman even gave Stringer her telephone number and e-mail address. She testified that she did so to get them to leave.

Juror Nkechi Odili-Obi, 23, said the woman's entire story was not believable.

"It's not so far-fetched to me that today a female would go and have consensual sex with three men after 10 minutes of meeting them," she said. "It wasn't that I believed the defendants; I just didn't believe Jane Doe, and once I didn't believe her, that was it for me."

Another key issue was the woman's actions after the incident. She testified that she finished her paper, attended a class and stopped by the student health center for a "morning after" pill. She did not report the attack for three hours, according to court documents.

"There were a lot of holes in her testimony," Candace said. "I had a hard time believing that someone's grades were more important to them than their body or who they are in the world."

Jane Robison, a spokeswoman for the district attorney's office, said prosecutors would decide whether to retry the three. All were found not guilty of burglary, forcible rape in concert and forcible oral copulation in concert.

Only Stringer was convicted of a separate charge of sexual battery for grabbing another female student's buttocks in another dormitory on the same day in December 2002.

After the verdict, the three defendants thanked and sometimes hugged each juror they could find.

"It's over," Stringer said. "All the time, I knew I was innocent."

Frank Williams Jr., Dawson's lawyer, said his client "has been vilified through this whole thing."

"Today's the day I felt people saw them for the human beings they are," he said. "They're not rapists; these are children."

Dawson, who will graduate from Carson High School next month, said the case "made me grow up overnight. I feel like back then I was 16 with the mentality of a 14-year-old. Now, I'm 18 with the mentality of a 25-year-old."

The defendants and their families said they are looking forward to the future.

"This morning when we were leaving, we all said it's just time to turn the page," said Amy Dawson, the mother of Dawson and foster mother of Stringer.

Stringer, a sophomore at Compton College, is due back in court June 21 for sentencing on the sexual battery charge. He faces up to six months in jail.

LA Times

sad, sad, sad... both that this happened and that this isn't even considered abnormal behavior from kids today.

If you've ever been on a jury, you'd realize that this wasn't even close. Either the lawyer sucked, or she wasn't believable. Poor girl.

I think girls need to be taught in Jr. High to fight for their lives if they're ever sexually attacked. If they don't, the jury is going to let the guy walk.
 

GasX

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"If she did not say 'no,' how could he know?" asked Anthony's attorney, Eugene Matthews, last week.
The lawyer should be hung with the rest of them... :disgust:
 

Teliasen

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I say that their punishment should be as follows:

first, they are stretched by hooks going through their nails, then, make several small incisions with a blunt knife, followed by a nice, relaxing bath in a mixture of alchohol and rock salt, repeat for 3 months, (keep them alive by IV tube) and at the end of the period, coat them in honey and lower them into a tank of fire ants.
 

jurzdevil

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Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Firing squad at dawn, thats the best solution. Let the jury figure it out later.

no...1 hour before dawn. why let them catch a last glimpse of light? tease them a little by making them stay up real late to cherish their last few hours and then ooops! no light for you.
 
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yea.. this is a problem....

I go to UCLA and I'm stunned....

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manly

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This is exactly (one reason) why sexual assault is so underreported a crime.
 

anno

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Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: anno
damn, they just raped her all over again.

anno

Unfortunantly, for the victim, this is not far from the truth.

absolute truth.. my heart goes out to her, given that outcome, she'd have been much better off without this whole trial thing. it's no wonder so few rapes are reported.

this is a male-dominated place that I visit mainly for the entertainment value; there's enough drama in my real life to suit me without trolling for more so let me just say that I have a 20yo dorm-living daughter.. so this is particularly appalling to me.. it does my old heart good to see that all of you young guys are just as disgusted as I am.. and I'll stop there.


anno
 

vivy310

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It is very unfortunate that a lot of rape cases are dismissed, and it is definitly rare to see someone win these kind of cases.
I guess these boys had 2 things going for them..........expensive lawyers and a stupid jury
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: anno
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: anno
damn, they just raped her all over again.

anno

Unfortunantly, for the victim, this is not far from the truth.

absolute truth.. my heart goes out to her, given that outcome, she'd have been much better off without this whole trial thing. it's no wonder so few rapes are reported.

this is a male-dominated place that I visit mainly for the entertainment value; there's enough drama in my real life to suit me without trolling for more so let me just say that I have a 20yo dorm-living daughter.. so this is particularly appalling to me.. it does my old heart good to see that all of you young guys are just as disgusted as I am.. and I'll stop there.


anno

I know what you mean, my daughter is in her teens and these things make ma so fvcking mad.
 

Balthazar

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Originally posted by: Stark
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sad, sad, sad... both that this happened and that this isn't even considered abnormal behavior from kids today.

If you've ever been on a jury, you'd realize that this wasn't even close. Either the lawyer sucked, or she wasn't believable. Poor girl.

I think girls need to be taught in Jr. High to fight for their lives if they're ever sexually attacked. If they don't, the jury is going to let the guy walk.

There are other things to take into consideration on that one, like, hows about we teach girls at a young age not to cry wolf where rape is concerned?

This by NO means says "oh they ask for it!" but it does mean that from a legal standpoint there comes a point when enough false claims are made that REAL claims are regarded with that same skeptical eye....

Unfortunately you will never stop women from falsely reporting rape, and you will never stop men from commiting the act. The bad apples on both side of the fence ruin the whole thing for all of us.

And just from the smattering I've read (11 to 1 in favor of acquittal, she didnt say no) I'd say its not terribly suprising that they are skeptical of her claims. I would be too.
 

Balthazar

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Originally posted by: Teliasen
I say that their punishment should be as follows:

first, they are stretched by hooks going through their nails, then, make several small incisions with a blunt knife, followed by a nice, relaxing bath in a mixture of alchohol and rock salt, repeat for 3 months, (keep them alive by IV tube) and at the end of the period, coat them in honey and lower them into a tank of fire ants.

Even if you are joking thats the most offensive thing I've read on these forums in awhile....
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: Balthazar
Originally posted by: Stark
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LA Times

sad, sad, sad... both that this happened and that this isn't even considered abnormal behavior from kids today.

If you've ever been on a jury, you'd realize that this wasn't even close. Either the lawyer sucked, or she wasn't believable. Poor girl.

I think girls need to be taught in Jr. High to fight for their lives if they're ever sexually attacked. If they don't, the jury is going to let the guy walk.

There are other things to take into consideration on that one, like, hows about we teach girls at a young age not to cry wolf where rape is concerned?

This by NO means says "oh they ask for it!" but it does mean that from a legal standpoint there comes a point when enough false claims are made that REAL claims are regarded with that same skeptical eye....

Unfortunately you will never stop women from falsely reporting rape, and you will never stop men from commiting the act. The bad apples on both side of the fence ruin the whole thing for all of us.

And just from the smattering I've read (11 to 1 in favor of acquittal, she didnt say no) I'd say its not terribly suprising that they are skeptical of her claims. I would be too.

So a "no" is absolutely neccessary?