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Rap: Is it Music?

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Originally posted by: dcpsoguy
Definition: The science or art of ordering tones or sounds in succession, in combination, and in temporal relationships to produce a composition having unity and continuity. Rap doesn't have this quality.
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Ah, you're flaimbait. Could you be any more of a troll?
 
Originally posted by: dcpsoguy
I am talking about 99% of rap: THE VAST MAJORITY.

Tell me of a rap song that has a noticable melody, maybe some strings, guitar: I dunno.
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your definition of music is myopic, you need to broaden your horizons.
 
i like all types of music, and of course i consider rap to be music.

you can compare most of the rap music out there to most of the rock music out there. the majority of it sucks, but it's still music. Of course there's a lot of good rap out there, a lot of you ATOTer's are either too old or think you're above it. it just depends where and how you're raised i guess. There's a lot of rap with soul and feeling, and if you're gonna express that in some tune or beat, then it's music to me.
 
Originally posted by: yobarman
i like all types of music, and of course i consider rap to be music.

you can compare most of the rap music out there to most of the rock music out there. the majority of it sucks, but it's still music. Of course there's a lot of good rap out there, a lot of you ATOTer's are either too old or think you're above it. it just depends where and how you're raised i guess. There's a lot of rap with soul and feeling, and if you're gonna express that in some tune or beat, then it's music to me.
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they were obviously raised in very narrow minded homes.
 
Originally posted by: dcpsoguy
I am talking about 99% of rap: THE VAST MAJORITY.

Tell me of a rap song that has a noticable melody, maybe some strings, guitar: I dunno.
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erm...why does it have to have guitar to be music? moron...

what kind of music do YOU listen to?
 
I'm listening to Damien III right now, it certainly has a musical background, and the vocals, like it or not, are music.
 
Originally posted by: dcpsoguy
I am talking about 99% of rap: THE VAST MAJORITY.

Tell me of a rap song that has a noticable melody, maybe some strings, guitar: I dunno.
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How about Eminem's music? No Bullsh!t has noticable "melody". What do strings and guitar have anything to do with something being music?. Me making a beat on my desk with my mouse is music.
 
Originally posted by: dcpsoguy
Definition:

The science or art of ordering tones or sounds in succession, in combination, and in temporal relationships to produce a composition having unity and continuity.

Rap doesn't have this quality.
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Just when I thought I could leave this thread I read this. Man you are one narrow minded asshat. Do you even know what unity and continuity mean?? I'm not a musician. I'm an artist, and I know enough anthropology to know that your definition of music is narrow minded. "I don't get it. It can't be real music."

I've noticed that hatred of rap is usually a safe outlet for racism. I'm not judging you.. I call them like I see them.
 
Be, B-Boys and girls, listen up
You can be anything in the world, in God we trust
An architect, doctor, or maybe an actress
But nothing comes easy it takes much practice
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Jesus. Everytime someone wants to explain why rap is a legitimate form of expression they bust out the inane "positive" crap. That's no more stimulating music than Tony Robbin's "unleash the giant within" is Literature.

As far as music, or poetic expression, there's lots of great rap. "The Message" is both dramatically powerfull and cutting social commentary. Contemporary rap has its share of commercialized garbage akin to nsync/agulera/etc., but there's also a decent amount of meaningfull stuff (bahamadia's quite good, also tribe called quest released some good albums).

But back to the "positive/negative" battle that rages - it's all superfluous. Far too much time has been spent telling children that they can be whatever they want. Everyone seems to think a positive attitude is all they need. It's a moronic and dangerous position to take. We need to teach our children HOW to do what they want, and we need to explain why long shots are frequently stupid goals. You don't just need a dream, you need to understand the mechanics of success and randomness.
 
Originally posted by: dcpsoguy
Definition:

The science or art of ordering tones or sounds in succession, in combination, and in temporal relationships to produce a composition having unity and continuity.

Rap doesn't have this quality.
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hahaha you just proved your idiocy. It does have those things. Just because it doesn't have them with guitars doesn't mean it doesn't have them, jackass. Damn man, every post I see of yours in this thread makes you look even MORE like a fvcking moron.
 
Originally posted by: dcpsoguy
I am talking about 99% of rap: THE VAST MAJORITY.

Tell me of a rap song that has a noticable melody, maybe some strings, guitar: I dunno.
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a tribe called quest-youthfull expression

alot of the midskool rap uses more notes and chords then the crap known as pop punk, and pop, so stfu and stop bashing rap

 
From m-w.com

--
Main Entry: mu·sic
Pronunciation: 'myü-zik
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: Middle English musik, from Old French musique, from Latin musica, from Greek mousikE any art presided over by the Muses, especially music, from feminine of mousikos of the Muses, from Mousa Muse
Date: 13th century
1 a : the science or art of ordering tones or sounds in succession, in combination, and in temporal relationships to produce a composition having unity and continuity b : vocal, instrumental, or mechanical sounds having rhythm, melody, or harmony
2 a : an agreeable sound : EUPHONY <her voice was music to my ears> b : musical quality <the music of verse>
3 : a musical accompaniment <a play set to music>
4 : the score of a musical composition set down on paper
5 : a distinctive type or category of music <there is a music for everybody -- Eric Salzman>
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So, yes, I'd say it is.
 
honestly, i think that it is music, but i do agree that most of what you hear is crap rap. if you listen to the more underground artists like hybrid theorey, black eyed peas, etc, you would see that is does take talent and the true reppers aren't a bunch of bling blinging, ho chasing morons. i am a musician myself, and with all the instruments i play, and write, i still have a great respect for a good rapper with a real message. there are a lot of pop, punk, rock, country, etc artists out there who are a bunch of bumbling idiots too. what you need to do is ditch your radio and mtv, and venture out to try new artists. you might suprise yourself.
 
it seems this topic comes up at least once a month. to simply generalize that all rap music is the same and it is all crap or whatever is an act of extreme ignorance. There is melody in a lot of rap songs, and not all of it is just foul mouthed poetry. Actually why am I even responding to this, if you really want to know something about a subject, how about researching it and listening to a variety of rap music, not just what is on the radio, then come up with a conclusion. This isn't even worth my time.
 
Originally posted by: Spac3d
Originally posted by: dcpsoguy
I am talking about 99% of rap: THE VAST MAJORITY.

Tell me of a rap song that has a noticable melody, maybe some strings, guitar: I dunno.
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Are you a retard? A guitar? There is PLENTY of music that doesn't use stuff like guitars. Making beats is just as difficult as using your thumb on some strings.

You obviously know nothing about rap.
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show me a rapper that has a real instrument



 
Originally posted by: LordRaiden
Rap music is someone making noises, banging on stuff, and making a general nuicence of themselves. It is not music and serves no real purpose except to generate business for the headache medicine companies. Same with rock music.
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hip-hop started out as a block party and they would cut and spin back the 'good parts' of a record and keep looping it. Later they took those loops and put it with a drum machine.

It's music. Art is a bigger umbrella of things, music is a subdirectory of art, where does music fall under?
 
Originally posted by: GroundZero
Originally posted by: Spac3d
Originally posted by: dcpsoguy
I am talking about 99% of rap: THE VAST MAJORITY.

Tell me of a rap song that has a noticable melody, maybe some strings, guitar: I dunno.
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Are you a retard? A guitar? There is PLENTY of music that doesn't use stuff like guitars. Making beats is just as difficult as using your thumb on some strings.

You obviously know nothing about rap.
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show me a rapper that has a real instrument
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Wyclef Jean
 
Originally posted by: GroundZero
Originally posted by: Spac3d
Originally posted by: dcpsoguy
I am talking about 99% of rap: THE VAST MAJORITY.

Tell me of a rap song that has a noticable melody, maybe some strings, guitar: I dunno.
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Are you a retard? A guitar? There is PLENTY of music that doesn't use stuff like guitars. Making beats is just as difficult as using your thumb on some strings.

You obviously know nothing about rap.
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show me a rapper that has a real instrument
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Define "real instrument". Depeche Mode and Joy Division aren't big woodwind devotees either but I don't see constant threads debating their musicality.

 
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