Rant: Why do smoker's try to blame everyone but themselves for their cancer?

[Cerebus451]

Originally posted by: HiveMaster

I'm just curious how someone who has contracted a PREVENTABLE disease like cancer/herpes/alcoholism can blame anyone but themselves?

Ahh. Now your true ignorance shines thru. I am sure that persons who suffer from cancer, herpes, and alcoholism all brought it on themselves. Alcoholism is genetic. Many cancers have a genetic link...and herpes you can get from someone who does not even know that THEY have the desease.

So, when we can:

1) Choose our genetic makeup

and

2) Get the results of a complete physical, down to the cellular level, of our sex partners

You can then rant about how people "choose" to get a preventable desease like cancer, herpes, or alcoholism.

Whoa. This is exactly the kind of ignorance that leads to the "Why me?" attitude about preventable disease.

You become an alcoholic because you drink too much, not because of your blood lines.
You get lung cancer (and to try and bring other cancers into this discussion is stupid since lung cancer is the one most associated with smoking. you can bring lip/gum cancer to the table if you wish) because you smoke too much, not because your mother had breast cancer or your dad had prostate cancer.
You get fat because you eat too much, not because your aunt is fat.
You get herpes because you have unprotected sex with a partner you do not know.

Stop trying to blame society or genetics or whatever other lame excuse you want to come up with for what truly is your own weakness. You don't have to smoke, or eat, or drink, or have sex with anything with a heartbeat. If you do these things, you have no one to blame but yourself when you have to face the consequences.

 

[MichaelD]

Originally posted by: Cerebus451

Originally posted by: HiveMaster

I'm just curious how someone who has contracted a PREVENTABLE disease like cancer/herpes/alcoholism can blame anyone but themselves?

Ahh. Now your true ignorance shines thru. I am sure that persons who suffer from cancer, herpes, and alcoholism all brought it on themselves. Alcoholism is genetic. Many cancers have a genetic link...and herpes you can get from someone who does not even know that THEY have the desease.

So, when we can:

1) Choose our genetic makeup

and

2) Get the results of a complete physical, down to the cellular level, of our sex partners

You can then rant about how people "choose" to get a preventable desease like cancer, herpes, or alcoholism.

Whoa. This is exactly the kind of ignorance that leads to the "Why me?" attitude about preventable disease.

You become an alcoholic because you drink too much, not because of your blood lines.
You get lung cancer (and to try and bring other cancers into this discussion is stupid since lung cancer is the one most associated with smoking. you can bring lip/gum cancer to the table if you wish) because you smoke too much, not because your mother had breast cancer or your dad had prostate cancer.
You get fat because you eat too much, not because your aunt is fat.
You get herpes because you have unprotected sex with a partner you do not know.

Stop trying to blame society or genetics or whatever other lame excuse you want to come up with for what truly is your own weakness. You don't have to smoke, or eat, or drink, or have sex with anything with a heartbeat. If you do these things, you have no one to blame but yourself when you have to face the consequences.

Thank you, Cerebus451. I don't have to use my own can of Whoop-@ss now. Well-said. Heheh, and he called ME ignorant.....some people....they just don't get it, you know?

 

[IGBT]

Tobacco companies are drug dealers and are liable for their marketing concepts and corporate behavior. Their own internal documentation is what's killing them in the courts these days.

 

[Cougar]

Originally posted by: HiveMaster

I'm just curious how someone who has contracted a PREVENTABLE disease like cancer/herpes/alcoholism can blame anyone but themselves?

Ahh. Now your true ignorance shines thru. I am sure that persons who suffer from cancer, herpes, and alcoholism all brought it on themselves. Alcoholism is genetic. Many cancers have a genetic link...and herpes you can get from someone who does not even know that THEY have the desease.

So, when we can:

1) Choose our genetic makeup

and

2) Get the results of a complete physical, down to the cellular level, of our sex partners

You can then rant about how people "choose" to get a preventable desease like cancer, herpes, or alcoholism.

Genious, Pure Genious. So what you're saying is that contracting Lung Cancer where your lungs are black as night is genetic? Hmmmm, I don't recall reading any studies where someone's lungs turned black over the course of time without any smoke inhalation.

It's true that some forms of cancer, and alchoholism are contracted genetically, but now you're lumping them all into that category.

If you can't control your little man and you contract herpes IT'S YOUR FAULT.

If you love going out with the boys every night and drink like a fish and blow out your liver IT'S YOUR FAULT.

If you smoke like a chimney and your lungs look like 2 blocks of coal thereby developing cancer IT'S YOUR FAULT.

And don't feed me that garbage of advertising to kids who don't know any better. I clearly remember learning in the second grade that if my house caught on fire I should Stop, Drop and Roll. Why you ask? Because SMOKE CAN KILL YOU so you stay near to the ground away from smoke (of course rolling around is only good if you actually catch fire ).

Also, everyone at one point has hacked up a storm when they walked through a puff of cancer from someone that was smoking nearby. Now if they turn around pick up the ol' cancer stick and their lungs start screaming for help then that's THEIR FAULT.

If you can't make the connection that A) Smoke inhalation from fires can kill you and B) When someone smokes near you it reeks to high heaven and makes you cough up a storm and you then turn around and sue the Tobacco companies because "I didn't know smoke was bad for me" then you deserve to die. People that dumb need to be weeded out of the gene pool.

 

[ShallowHal]

Alcoholism is not genetic. The higher tendency to develop addiction is genetic. Your upbringing has more to do with alcoholism than genetics. lcohol is poured into the mouth by manually not genetically.

 

[Aceman]

That's not ignorance, there's truth to his statements. There are many studies that link alcoholism and cancers to genetics. If no one in a person's family drank and you became an alcoholic because a gene triggered it, you can't blame the alccohol companies, but you can blame your blood line. Same way with cancers. My father in law developed white lung from working in a steel mill. Is he to blame because he chose to work in the mills when there were no links to white lung cancer? Now his coworker worked right beside him for 30 years and has no white lung cancer. Hmmm is it environment or gentetic links?????

If I get lung cancer, I'm not blaming the tobacco companies, I'll put the blame on me for using the trigger mechanism that exposed the cancer gene in my body. I can't truly lay 100% blame on my genetics because I took the gamble that I don't have the cancer causing gene.

 

[GasX]

Anyone who thinks smokers who started smoking 40 years ago didn't know it was unhealthy is lying.

The terms cancer stick and coffin nail are both about 100 years old.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
I know a man who's smoked a pack a day for the past 20yrs and has been smoking for the last 34 years and he's in fine shape with no proof that he smokes in the lung x-rays.

There's always a few genetic freaks out there who can pretty much do as they please and live to be 100. My great-grandfather smoked 4-5 cigars every day and lived to be 102. The point is though that smoking significantly increases your odds of cancer/emphysema/etc....so not everyone gets cancer, but many do. My father smoked about a pack a day for 40+ years and confounded his doctors as he was perfectly healthy....normal BP, clear lungs etc. He had a stroke out of the blue about a year ago and is still rehabbing today. He knew smoking was bad for him, he just wouldn't/couldn't quit without such a humongous wakeup call.

Fausto

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: Aceman
That's not ignorance, there's truth to his statements. There are many studies that link alcoholism and cancers to genetics. If no one in a person's family drank and you became an alcoholic because a gene triggered it, you can't blame the alccohol companies, but you can blame your blood line. Same way with cancers. My father in law developed white lung from working in a steel mill. Is he to blame because he chose to work in the mills when there were no links to white lung cancer? Now his coworker worked right beside him for 30 years and has no white lung cancer. Hmmm is it environment or gentetic links?????

If I get lung cancer, I'm not blaming the tobacco companies, I'll put the blame on me for using the trigger mechanism that exposed the cancer gene in my body. I can't truly lay 100% blame on my genetics because I took the gamble that I don't have the cancer causing gene.[/q

Your genes can do nothing more than give you a predisposition to develop cancer or alcoholism. If your family has a history of lung cancer or alcoholism and you choose to smoke and drink, then you are DOUBLY stupid.

Preventative health care is all about removing risk factors. You can't change your genes, but you can certainly limit your exposure to carcinogens.

 

[BillGates]

This thread has lots more logic in it than mine did - I had the smokers who were convinced (at least to themselves) that they were the healthiest people on earth and that non-smokers were the ones with cancer...

 

[JellyBaby]

Because it's far easier to blame someone else for your mistakes than take responsibility for your own actions. And because frivilous lawsuits are often successful in this country. I'd love to see tobacco companies go down but some of this stuff is simply ridiculous.

 

[teddymines]

Originally posted by: Aceman
If no one in a person's family drank and you became an alcoholic because a gene triggered it, you can't blame the alccohol companies, but you can blame your blood line.

You don't become an alcoholic just sitting there with a gene. You get it from consuming alcohol. Unless someone tied you down and forced it down your throat, you consumed voluntarily.

 

[her209]

Anyone who doesn't think that inhaling smoke isn't bad is dumb... and to do it every day throughout the day is even worse.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: her209
Anyone who doesn't think that inhaling smoke isn't bad is dumb... and to do it every day throughout the day is even worse.

You tell'em, tiger.

nik

 

[wnied]

White trash have to keep up their image somehow you know.

Are you saying all smokers are white trash??? If so thats a pretty broad brush your painting with.

No, no and no. I'm not bashing smokers...even though they stink and try to poison me and ruin my dinner by lighting up next to me

With all of the NON-SMOKING areas around, if someone sits next to you and lights up, its your own damned fault for sitting in the SMOKING section.

~wnied~

 

[WA261]

smokers???....one old woman does and now its "all smokers"? the only time they can try this is when it has happened to a person whom started smoking before it was known to cause cancer....then once they found oput they could not quit because they didnt know it was addictive....so i can see how it would work to claim this =)

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: wnied
With all of the NON-SMOKING areas around, if someone sits next to you and lights up, its your own damned fault for sitting in the SMOKING section.

Smoking section is just an area with some ventilation.

 

[ttn1]

Oh crap, next thing yo know we'll have people blaming a tire company for not designing a tire that can withstand twice the spec. load and 150% of the speed rating. Oh wait......

As I said in the other thread. Does anyone else think that filters on cigarettes is a little silly? Somebody says, I'll bet we can raise the price if we put filters on these and call them safer.

Bottom line is that people in general are gullible, ignorant idiots. The news media amplifies this even more by showing the gullible, ignorant idiots all the bad things that happen "because" of some evil corporation.

Wake up and smell the coffee people, the government can't protect you from yourself. Read a little and become informed. If something seems like a bad idea, it probably is.

edit: spelling

 

[pyonir]

i blame disposible lighters.

 

[Nil]

Originally posted by: billgates380
Sweet, another smoker bashing thread - mine lasted 10 days and 300 posts...

But remember, smokers are VICTIMS because they started way back when nobody knew it was bad!!...

....as for why they haven't quit in the 20 years since, when we knew it was bad, you'll have to ask them yourself.

White trash have to keep up their image somehow you know.

 

[FrustratedUser]

She's just plain stupd to blame the tobaco companies!

** lights a smoke, opening a beer **

 

[Nil]

Originally posted by: billgates380
This thread has lots more logic in it than mine did - I had the smokers who were convinced (at least to themselves) that they were the healthiest people on earth and that non-smokers were the ones with cancer...

Were you born this way, or did your stupidity develope over time? No one in that thread said that. In fact, the most foolish comments in that thread were made by you calling smokers white trash!

 

[teddymines]

Originally posted by: WA261
smokers???....one old woman does and now its "all smokers"? the only time they can try this is when it has happened to a person whom started smoking before it was known to cause cancer....then once they found oput they could not quit because they didnt know it was addictive....so i can see how it would work to claim this =)

Come on, I'm sure you've seen soot left on stuff after being exposed to smoke. Anyone who believes depositing the same soot in their lungs will not SOMEHOW degrade their health down the road deserves to be called an idiot. Same goes for those people that use tanning beds. Use common sense, for crying in the sink.

 

[Red Dawn]

SO they are suing Tobacco Companies! Who cares?

 

[hoihtah]

hey... i'm an ex smoker...
i've never blamed anyone ... no tobacco companies especially.

if i ever blamed anyone... it was the government.. putting so much tax on them cigarettes...
that you'd have to break your back to kill your lungs.