rant:the next generation and our society

[alphatarget1]

Something i'm thinking about while watching bowling for columbine...

i know so many girls that are in liberal studies major in my college and yet some of the most stupid a$$es i've ever known my entire life, i don't want them to be teaching my kids 10 years from now. our education system is corrupted, our society is corrupted, etc. Every part of our society is degrading and there aren't efforts to stop it. America will ultimately suffer from a stupid generation and so will EVERY western civilized countries which are suffering the same effects.

i'm 18 btw 🙂

 

[jaeger66]

The question you should be asking is: who can we bomb to fix all of this?

 

[Looney]

i know so many girls that are in liberal studies major in my college and yet some of the most stupid a$$es i've ever known my entire life

How so?

i don't want them to be teaching my kids 10 years from now. our education system is corrupted, our society is corrupted, etc. Every part of our society is degrading and there aren't efforts to stop it. America will ultimately suffer from a stupid generation and so will EVERY western civilized countries which are suffering the same effects.

I agree. And it's all due to how much we are willing to pay our teachers. If teachers salaries were higher, and they were calculated on how successful they teach, so that there is some sort of a competitive nature to it, you'll get better teachers... those that are bad, would fail, but those who are good, would succeed (and get paid more). I absolutely hated learning in public school until i got into university. If i had kids, i would enroll them in some sort of private school myself.

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

i know so many girls that are in liberal studies major in my college and yet some of the most stupid a$$es i've ever known my entire life

How so?

i don't want them to be teaching my kids 10 years from now. our education system is corrupted, our society is corrupted, etc. Every part of our society is degrading and there aren't efforts to stop it. America will ultimately suffer from a stupid generation and so will EVERY western civilized countries which are suffering the same effects.

I agree. And it's all due to how much we are willing to pay our teachers. If teachers salaries were higher, and they were calculated on how successful they teach, so that there is some sort of a competitive nature to it, you'll get better teachers... those that are bad, would fail, but those who are good, would succeed (and get paid more). I absolutely hated learning in public school until i got into university. If i had kids, i would enroll them in some sort of private school myself.

1) i would say their parents pay them to party and they choose a crap major which they can graduate with very few units. don't get me wrong, *some* of them are really intelligent but it's just sad to see dumb people want to be kindergarden teachers.

2) i'd say the infrastructure of our society has degraded. my mom was a housewife for a long time and that influenced me a lot over family value and just life in general. no offense but i think the babyboomer generation is to blame for this generation's corruption. can you see a pattern here? bad parents>bad kids, bad kids becomes bad parents and then the kids become worst.

 

[Dudd]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

i know so many girls that are in liberal studies major in my college and yet some of the most stupid a$$es i've ever known my entire life

How so?

i don't want them to be teaching my kids 10 years from now. our education system is corrupted, our society is corrupted, etc. Every part of our society is degrading and there aren't efforts to stop it. America will ultimately suffer from a stupid generation and so will EVERY western civilized countries which are suffering the same effects.

I agree. And it's all due to how much we are willing to pay our teachers. If teachers salaries were higher, and they were calculated on how successful they teach, so that there is some sort of a competitive nature to it, you'll get better teachers... those that are bad, would fail, but those who are good, would succeed (and get paid more). I absolutely hated learning in public school until i got into university. If i had kids, i would enroll them in some sort of private school myself.

Does the quality of the teacher really depend on the pay? Everyone likes to say it does, but the fact of the matter is, it doesn't take that much intelligence to teach 4th grade social studies. Read this, do this project, take this test. It's not rocket science that they are trying to teach, it's simple stuff that most people should be able to get if they put any effort into it at all. You can pay the teachers more, but until the students start giving a damn, then you can have Steven Hawking up there, and it won't make a difference.

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: Dudd


Does the quality of the teacher really depend on the pay? Everyone likes to say it does, but the fact of the matter is, it doesn't take that much intelligence to teach 4th grade social studies. Read this, do this project, take this test. It's not rocket science that they are trying to teach, it's simple stuff that most people should be able to get if they put any effort into it at all. You can pay the teachers more, but until the students start giving a damn, then you can have Steven Hawking up there, and it won't make a difference.

It's not the material, it's the ability to control 30 screaming 9 year olds for 7 hours a day.

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: jaeger66

Originally posted by: Dudd


Does the quality of the teacher really depend on the pay? Everyone likes to say it does, but the fact of the matter is, it doesn't take that much intelligence to teach 4th grade social studies. Read this, do this project, take this test. It's not rocket science that they are trying to teach, it's simple stuff that most people should be able to get if they put any effort into it at all. You can pay the teachers more, but until the students start giving a damn, then you can have Steven Hawking up there, and it won't make a difference.

It's not the material, it's the ability to control 30 screaming 9 year olds for 7 hours a day.

and that's the very basic element we're lacking in our culture, respect! not just for "superiors" (ones that have authority over you) but to people in general. we're in a society where all people do is blame each other for their own mistakes. if the parents do that, the kids will. our culture doesn't have a sense of responsibility, etc.

hey maybe it's just california, time to move the hell out of this state... i'll miss the weather. i was at my friend's house in oregon a couple of months ago and his nephews were pretty well disiplined (sp?). maybe there is still hope 🙂

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: kenleung


and that's the very basic element we're lacking in our culture, respect! not just for "superiors" (ones that have authority over you) but to people in general. we're in a society where all people do is blame each other for their own mistakes. if the parents do that, the kids will. our culture doesn't have a sense of responsibility, etc.

And God help the teacher who actually dares to discipline the troublemakers. Then you're a monster, an abuser, etc.

 

[ElFenix]

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[Syringer]

Originally posted by: kenleung
Something i'm thinking about while watching bowling for columbine...

i know so many girls that are in liberal studies major in my college and yet some of the most stupid a$$es i've ever known my entire life, i don't want them to be teaching my kids 10 years from now. our education system is corrupted, our society is corrupted, etc. Every part of our society is degrading and there aren't efforts to stop it. America will ultimately suffer from a stupid generation and so will EVERY western civilized countries which are suffering the same effects.

i'm 18 btw 🙂

Elementary school teachers are not about intelligence at all..there's a whole set of skills that you really can't teach involved.

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: Syringer

Originally posted by: kenleung
Something i'm thinking about while watching bowling for columbine...

i know so many girls that are in liberal studies major in my college and yet some of the most stupid a$$es i've ever known my entire life, i don't want them to be teaching my kids 10 years from now. our education system is corrupted, our society is corrupted, etc. Every part of our society is degrading and there aren't efforts to stop it. America will ultimately suffer from a stupid generation and so will EVERY western civilized countries which are suffering the same effects.

i'm 18 btw 🙂

Elementary school teachers are not about intelligence at all..there's a whole set of skills that you really can't teach involved.

I don't know much about the field anyway. I know arnold schwarzenegger would be a better teacher than them though 😀

 

[Looney]

Does the quality of the teacher really depend on the pay? Everyone likes to say it does, but the fact of the matter is, it doesn't take that much intelligence to teach 4th grade social studies.

I don't think it's 4th grade social studies that is the problem.

And yes, it would make a difference. It's like any other part of a market economy. If you have some sort of a competitive nature, then you'll weed out the bad, and the good will prosper. And it'll be an incentive for everybody to do good. As it is now, the education system is very socialized. All teachers are equal (if there are differences, it's in seniority, not ability), so there's no big incentive for teachers to do better. If you start having $5000 yearly bonuses for teachers that do exceptional, i can guarantee you there will be an increase in teaching performances.

You can pay the teachers more, but until the students start giving a damn, then you can have Steven Hawking up there, and it won't make a difference.

It's proven that students in private schools (where teachers are paid upon how their perform) do better than students in public schools. Are you saying that students in private school are inherently different than students in public schools?

 

[kleinesarschloch]

the stench of rejection is strong in this one... dude, loosen up and get laid.

 

[RettaGuy]

Originally posted by: kenleung
Something i'm thinking about while watching bowling for columbine...

i know so many girls that are in liberal studies major in my college and yet some of the most stupid a$$es i've ever known my entire life, i don't want them to be teaching my kids 10 years from now. our education system is corrupted, our society is corrupted, etc. Every part of our society is degrading and there aren't efforts to stop it. America will ultimately suffer from a stupid generation and so will EVERY western civilized countries which are suffering the same effects.

i'm 18 btw 🙂

'every western civilized countries'...hehe looks like you already suffered😉

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Does the quality of the teacher really depend on the pay? Everyone likes to say it does, but the fact of the matter is, it doesn't take that much intelligence to teach 4th grade social studies.

I don't think it's 4th grade social studies that is the problem.

And yes, it would make a difference. It's like any other part of a market economy. If you have some sort of a competitive nature, then you'll weed out the bad, and the good will prosper. And it'll be an incentive for everybody to do good. As it is now, the education system is very socialized. All teachers are equal (if there are differences, it's in seniority, not ability), so there's no big incentive for teachers to do better. If you start having $5000 yearly bonuses for teachers that do exceptional, i can guarantee you there will be an increase in teaching performances.

You can pay the teachers more, but until the students start giving a damn, then you can have Steven Hawking up there, and it won't make a difference.

It's proven that students in private schools (where teachers are paid upon how their perform) do better than students in public schools. Are you saying that students in private school are inherently different than students in public schools?

The pay is not the problem. Private School teachers make alot less than public school teachers yet the private school have generally better students. Two things I put as to the reason for this. One, the teachers know if they don't perform they are out. This motivates them, no union to back them up, although teacher unions aren't the strongest, atleast in some states. Two, Private schools have children from parents who care about the education their child recieves. You don't get the poor quality kids that the state has to deal with. And their is too much politics in dealing with these poor quality kids in public schools, private schools just kick the mis-behaving students out. More focus on education.

It all falls back to personal responsibility, for the teacher, students, and the parents, which publics schools fail when you loose all three.

KK

 

[Moonbeam]

Obviously it's not the baby boomers fault, it was their parents like George Bush senior who spawned GW who spawned the monster twins of which you speak. Even having a teacher for a mother didn't make any difference. And obviously, since California is the one place that strongly rejects the whole sick phenomenon, it's in California that there's hope.

By the way, you are deeply infected with the disease yourself. Even Californians aren't immune. It's probably your parents. Are they like, old fashioned? You can maybe still save yourself by studying art and finding a guru.

 

[Cerb]

It's not the material, it's the ability to control 30 screaming 9 year olds for 7 hours a day.

I went to school for 7 years, that was no problem.
Then they killed the 7th and 8th grade programs and I was put in public school.
The teachers, *excepting a few very good ones*, don't care as much, and so the students don't either.

 

[Cerb]

Are you saying that students in private school are inherently different than students in public schools?

I don't know if he is, but I've gone from private to public, and absolutely. They are taught respect for people throughout, and done so with less punishment than the public schools. They are taught to care and their parents do care, which inherently makes them different.

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Does the quality of the teacher really depend on the pay? Everyone likes to say it does, but the fact of the matter is, it doesn't take that much intelligence to teach 4th grade social studies.

I don't think it's 4th grade social studies that is the problem.

And yes, it would make a difference. It's like any other part of a market economy. If you have some sort of a competitive nature, then you'll weed out the bad, and the good will prosper. And it'll be an incentive for everybody to do good. As it is now, the education system is very socialized. All teachers are equal (if there are differences, it's in seniority, not ability), so there's no big incentive for teachers to do better. If you start having $5000 yearly bonuses for teachers that do exceptional, i can guarantee you there will be an increase in teaching performances.

You can pay the teachers more, but until the students start giving a damn, then you can have Steven Hawking up there, and it won't make a difference.

It's proven that students in private schools (where teachers are paid upon how their perform) do better than students in public schools. Are you saying that students in private school are inherently different than students in public schools?

The pay is not the problem. Private School teachers make alot less than public school teachers yet the private school have generally better students. Two things I put as to the reason for this. One, the teachers know if they don't perform they are out. This motivates them, no union to back them up, although teacher unions aren't the strongest, atleast in some states. Two, Private schools have children from parents who care about the education their child recieves. You don't get the poor quality kids that the state has to deal with. And their is too much politics in dealing with these poor quality kids in public schools, private schools just kick the mis-behaving students out. More focus on education.

It all falls back to personal responsibility, for the teacher, students, and the parents, which publics schools fail when you loose all three.

KK

Actually pay is the problem in HS. Science and math teachers get paid the same as a music teacher. The science/math teacher went to school, worked their butt off and can get paid tons working as an engineer or something, so that's what they do. They don't want the low pay of a teacher when they can get so much more working somewhere else. Music teachers don't have that option (I'm just picking on music teachers). If they weren't teaching, there isn't much else they can do. The teacher's union is the one responsible for this unfair pay and the reason why we don't have great math/science teachers in HS.

 

[Red Dawn]

America will ultimately suffer from a stupid generation

Yeah your generation.

 

[tec699]

Originally posted by: Dudd

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

i know so many girls that are in liberal studies major in my college and yet some of the most stupid a$$es i've ever known my entire life

How so?

i don't want them to be teaching my kids 10 years from now. our education system is corrupted, our society is corrupted, etc. Every part of our society is degrading and there aren't efforts to stop it. America will ultimately suffer from a stupid generation and so will EVERY western civilized countries which are suffering the same effects.

I agree. And it's all due to how much we are willing to pay our teachers. If teachers salaries were higher, and they were calculated on how successful they teach, so that there is some sort of a competitive nature to it, you'll get better teachers... those that are bad, would fail, but those who are good, would succeed (and get paid more). I absolutely hated learning in public school until i got into university. If i had kids, i would enroll them in some sort of private school myself.

Does the quality of the teacher really depend on the pay? Everyone likes to say it does, but the fact of the matter is, it doesn't take that much intelligence to teach 4th grade social studies. Read this, do this project, take this test. It's not rocket science that they are trying to teach, it's simple stuff that most people should be able to get if they put any effort into it at all. You can pay the teachers more, but until the students start giving a damn, then you can have Steven Hawking up there, and it won't make a difference.

I love it when people spout off about how easy teaching is. Teaching is not easy. Everyone is an expert on teaching because we all go through the school system. It's much more complicated then telling a class to read this and read that while the teacher goes off an eats her bon bons. Great teachers can inspire children to do great things. And yea.. I'm a special education major who will be graduating ina year, and I've been on the other side of the fence. I know first hand that teaching is not easy.

And yea.. an increase in pay for teachers should be in order, because most of the good teachers are leaving the field because the pay is inadequate. For instance in NJ... the average teacher with 15 years experience will max out at $60,000 a year. looks good, but compare that administration salaries. These people get $100,000 (+) with only 3-5 years experience. You do need your masters though, but the pay scale is so one sided.

just a quick thought...

 

[tec699]

Originally posted by: Cerb

It's not the material, it's the ability to control 30 screaming 9 year olds for 7 hours a day.

I went to school for 7 years, that was no problem.
Then they killed the 7th and 8th grade programs and I was put in public school.
The teachers, *excepting a few very good ones*, don't care as much, and so the students don't either.

I love it when people put full blame on the teachers. What about the parents? At this moment I'm involved in my junior practicum program. For the program I need to go to a classroom 2 days a week to observe and to help disabled students with their work.

Well anyway.. the school had parent/teacher night. Out of 12 students, guess how many parents showed up? The answer is... 1!!! That's it! Where were the other parents at? Are they doing something that importat to where that can't take 30 min. to come down and to talk with the teacher? It's a disgrace...

I'll tell you what the problem is. It's laziness. As a society weve gotten way to relaxed. The parents don't want to be involved because it takes to much of their time. Well make time! American's need a wake up call.

 

[tec699]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Does the quality of the teacher really depend on the pay? Everyone likes to say it does, but the fact of the matter is, it doesn't take that much intelligence to teach 4th grade social studies.

I don't think it's 4th grade social studies that is the problem.

And yes, it would make a difference. It's like any other part of a market economy. If you have some sort of a competitive nature, then you'll weed out the bad, and the good will prosper. And it'll be an incentive for everybody to do good. As it is now, the education system is very socialized. All teachers are equal (if there are differences, it's in seniority, not ability), so there's no big incentive for teachers to do better. If you start having $5000 yearly bonuses for teachers that do exceptional, i can guarantee you there will be an increase in teaching performances.

You can pay the teachers more, but until the students start giving a damn, then you can have Steven Hawking up there, and it won't make a difference.

It's proven that students in private schools (where teachers are paid upon how their perform) do better than students in public schools. Are you saying that students in private school are inherently different than students in public schools?

I 100% agree with that! If you give teachers incentives to do well you will see a marked improvement in teacher performance. But.. I don't fully agree with your opinion on private schools. Private schools are great.. if you can afford it. If we concentrate all our resources on private schools, then as usual... the poor and middle class students will suffer. Private schools can be quite costly. I should know as my sister went to a Catholis school. Her tuition for the year was $6,000. How many people can afford that? Especially if you have more than 1 child that's in school. Once again.. the poor and middle class are left out.

 

[Isla]

This is an interesting thread.

I'm teaching now because I consider it a calling. It's more who I am than a career decision I made. I don't have to work, at least not at this point. It's not about money for me.

I knew what I was getting into. We don't have the support of the parents, the school board is breathing down our necks... overcrowding, underfunding, etc etc. I can tell which of the younger teachers are going to leave for 'better' careers. They have horrified looks etched into their faces already. They had expectations that were unrealistic to begin with, and now they are pissed off. It doesn't help that someone like me can just breeze in whistling a happy tune and shrugging off all the things that are driving them crazy. This isn't about my career. It's not about me at all. It is about the kids I work with, and I am happy.

People should teach because they love it, just like people should become doctors because the sincerely want to help and heal people. Anyone who gets into a career that involves serving/helping others should have a heart for it, and not because they think they are going to get rich doing it.

BTW, let's not have the mistaken idea that teachers teach because they are not intelligent enough to do anything else. It has more to do with certain personality traits than anything else. Good teachers teach because it is who they are.

<--teaching Elementary Special Ed (Public)

 

[Moonbeam]

Isla looses another smart bomb from the unseen world.