Rant: tech support for in-laws

DrPizza

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3 years worth of work on the computer - never backed it up. THOUSANDS of viruses, spyware... "It really just needs to be reformatted." "No, you can't do that... I can't lose all that work." Many hours spent fixing it.

I installed virus protection (AVG) for them. I had it do everything as automatically as possible. I gave them a cd-burner. I installed Nero so they could back up to CD.

Fast forward several months:
"I don't know what that crap is that you call virus protection. My son gave me better software and it found 3 viruses that your garbage didn't find."

Me: "Wow, that's pretty weird. Can I check out what it found? <looks through computer> Okay, first of all... you shouldn't have multiple anti-virus programs running at the same time (3, counting AVG). Second of all, the crap and garbage software that *I* installed found 12 viruses and put them all into a directory where they couldn't do any damage. The anti-virus software that you think is so much better than mine found 3 of those viruses IN THAT DIRECTORY! If it's so good, it should have found all 12 that mine kept from infecting your computer. "

I figure at this point, I've ticked off the m-in-law enough (and embarrassed her) that she won't bother me again for tech support.

Fast forward nearly a year of not having to deal with this any more... My wife and I bought a new computer for her from Dell. Happy Birthday.

Ahhh, you're thinking that I'm doing tech support for the new computer... wrong.

Remember the cd-burner I mentioned that I installed... as well as Nero, which I showed her how to use... Well, "I need all my files transferred to my new computer." "Okay, all you need to do is open Nero, and drag and drop the files you need into there and then click the burn icon. You should still have some of those blank CD's left, I think it was a 100 pack that I gave you." "Drag what where?" "It's simple.. Open nero, your directory will show up... drag all the files you want to transfer over to the big box with nothing in it. I'd stay and show you how, but I've got to go home and get my grad work done."

Soooo, a few days later, my wife has to drive over there to help them use Nero. "They can't figure out how to use it." But, they're sure my wife can help them, because she knows how to back up files to CD's.

Well, my wife can't.

Why?! THEY F'IN DELETED NERO BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO USE THE "GARBAGE" SOFTWARE I GAVE THEM!!!!

They've still *never* backed up one of these critical files... years of effort.
And, now, they want a new copy of Nero. I'm on dial-up. We moved - all my old software is in a box someplace that'll take me days to find. Quite frankly, I don't have any easy to use burning software for the burner they have, and I'm not downloading it.

My solution: "It'll take less time to email all of your important files to a gmail account from your old computer, then download them from your email account into your new computer than it'll take to download new software."

Their solution: My wife is at their house, downloading Nero.
Yes, I know there are other programs besides Nero.

What's must amusing: there's probably a 99% chance they they're going to insist on my wife installing comet cursor and smiley faces for their email. I wasn't successful the last time I cleaned their computer to convince them that comet cursor and those smiley faces were the reason their computer stopped working. (and the dozens of other adware that those programs automatically downloaded and installed.)



cliffs:
In-laws don't back up their stuff...
They think I'm an idiot and only install "garbage" programs that are no good when I clean their computer.
They undo all the fixes I make...
They reinstall comet cursor, smiley faces, etc. because they like them and don't care how much it slows down their computer.
Deleted the cd-burning software, etc. that I installed for them.
I gave them a CD burner and 100 CD's, but they still won't back their stuff up.
Now have a new computer, need me to transfer the files for them. "Where'd the burning software go?" Deleted - it was "garbage" that I put on there.
 

SampSon

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Whenever I'm in that situation I just tell them, "sorry, your computer is broken and I can't fix it without wiping all of it out."
End of story.
 

SaltBoy

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I wonder how many people wouldn't get divorced if in-laws didn't exist.
 

dullard

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1) New Dell? Use Win XP, forget Nero.

2) If you are going to do the work, do it 100%. That is, if you help them, you MUST be the one who backs it up first. If you aren't willing to do that, don't do any work at all.
 

mrchan

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Originally posted by: SampSon
Whenever I'm in that situation I just tell them, "sorry, your computer is broken and I can't fix it without wiping all of it out."
End of story.

Yup. Don't give them options.
 

DrPizza

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Originally posted by: dullard
1) New Dell? Use Win XP, forget Nero.

2) If you are going to do the work, do it 100%. That is, if you help them, you MUST be the one who backs it up first. If you aren't willing to do that, don't do any work at all.

The files that need to be backed up are on their old computer... WinME... I'd be willing to wager has 100's of adware programs all running in the background. It probably makes the phrase "runs like molasses in January" sound like an overly optimistic statement. Yeah, the new computer has XP. I could take the old hard drive out and stick it in the new computer (problem solved) - but that means... warranty violated, loss of tech support (or so the in-laws would probably believe) Thus, they'd *insist* that I provided tech support after I opened their system up. Plus, as soon as I mess around with it once, it'd be my fault for everything they screwed up from that point on.
 

ValValline

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You simply have to put your foot down and tell them either:

A. You fix it your way or you don't touch it.
B. You will not work on their PC(s) anymore

With my own mother I went with "A" and after 3-4 reformats for the same "freeware" crap she would reload between my visits (after repeatedly telling her not to load it), I went with B. I handed her an external hard drive and a Windows disk and said "good luck". Sucks at first but things are much better now that I am not in the middle of her PC problems.
 

gnumantsc

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Dude get them Linux or tell them to get a Mac it'll be worth the effort since they wouldn't be calling and complaining their system is slow.
 

QurazyQuisp

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And when you go to fix it, install firefox and change the icon for firefox to the IE one and rename it, they'll never know the difference.
 

KouklatheCat

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I agree with Samp Son. Im tired of "fixing" peoples computers all the time. I rarely get asked for repeats on service calls with friends/family. Since they know im going to erase all their data they tend to listen when I tell them not to install junk (spy) ware.

My ex wife is another story. She allways calls for tech support. The LAST time I faxed her a copy of our divorce decree. Strangely enough she hasnt called for tech support since. Think she got the hint?
 

Reckoner

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My parents tell all my neighbors that i'll be happy to configure/troubleshoot their PCs. And for free! Aren't I lucky?
 
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Originally posted by: DrPizza
cliffs:
In-laws don't back up their stuff...
They think I'm an idiot and only install "garbage" programs that are no good when I clean their computer.
They undo all the fixes I make...
They reinstall comet cursor, smiley faces, etc. because they like them and don't care how much it slows down their computer.
Deleted the cd-burning software, etc. that I installed for them.
I gave them a CD burner and 100 CD's, but they still won't back their stuff up.
Now have a new computer, need me to transfer the files for them. "Where'd the burning software go?" Deleted - it was "garbage" that I put on there.

Bleh. My dad has this AV software, "EzTrust" or something. I was about to remove it and put something I trusted in its place. "This is what we use at work and our computers never crash!"

Uh.. k.

"What's the firefox? I don't like it."
"I wouldn't delete that."
"Deleted."

"Ok, I know nothing."

I'm just gonna stop helping if they never take my advice.
 

DaiShan

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Just tell them that you are busy whenever they ask. I have no patience for people that insult work that I do for free for them. I'm a professional, this is what I do for a living, I have hundreds of happy, paying customers. If you think I did a shoddy job and the kid up the street can do it better, please feel free to have him be your slave. It's really pointless to have someone like me cleaning viruses and spyware when you can pay pretty much any 16 year old minimum wage to do it for you.
 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: LoKe
Originally posted by: DrPizza
cliffs:
In-laws don't back up their stuff...
They think I'm an idiot and only install "garbage" programs that are no good when I clean their computer.
They undo all the fixes I make...
They reinstall comet cursor, smiley faces, etc. because they like them and don't care how much it slows down their computer.
Deleted the cd-burning software, etc. that I installed for them.
I gave them a CD burner and 100 CD's, but they still won't back their stuff up.
Now have a new computer, need me to transfer the files for them. "Where'd the burning software go?" Deleted - it was "garbage" that I put on there.

Bleh. My dad has this AV software, "EzTrust" or something. I was about to remove it and put something I trusted in its place. "This is what we use at work and our computers never crash!"

Uh.. k.

"What's the firefox? I don't like it."
"I wouldn't delete that."
"Deleted."

"Ok, I know nothing."

I'm just gonna stop helping if they never take my advice.

Thats the antivirus Road Runner provides for free to customers. Runs on the same engine as Norton, provided by Computer associates. Its just rebadged antivirus, most are.

 
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Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: LoKe
Originally posted by: DrPizza
cliffs:
In-laws don't back up their stuff...
They think I'm an idiot and only install "garbage" programs that are no good when I clean their computer.
They undo all the fixes I make...
They reinstall comet cursor, smiley faces, etc. because they like them and don't care how much it slows down their computer.
Deleted the cd-burning software, etc. that I installed for them.
I gave them a CD burner and 100 CD's, but they still won't back their stuff up.
Now have a new computer, need me to transfer the files for them. "Where'd the burning software go?" Deleted - it was "garbage" that I put on there.

Bleh. My dad has this AV software, "EzTrust" or something. I was about to remove it and put something I trusted in its place. "This is what we use at work and our computers never crash!"

Uh.. k.

"What's the firefox? I don't like it."
"I wouldn't delete that."
"Deleted."

"Ok, I know nothing."

I'm just gonna stop helping if they never take my advice.

Thats the antivirus Road Runner provides for free to customers. Runs on the same engine as Norton, provided by Computer associates. Its just rebadged antivirus, most are.

Norton? Ugh.
 

Linux23

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Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
My parents tell all my neighbors that i'll be happy to configure/troubleshoot their PCs. And for free! Aren't I lucky?

LOL. When I was younger my mother volunteered my services too.
 
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Originally posted by: DrPizza
Originally posted by: dullard
1) New Dell? Use Win XP, forget Nero.

2) If you are going to do the work, do it 100%. That is, if you help them, you MUST be the one who backs it up first. If you aren't willing to do that, don't do any work at all.

The files that need to be backed up are on their old computer... WinME... I'd be willing to wager has 100's of adware programs all running in the background. It probably makes the phrase "runs like molasses in January" sound like an overly optimistic statement. Yeah, the new computer has XP. I could take the old hard drive out and stick it in the new computer (problem solved) - but that means... warranty violated, loss of tech support (or so the in-laws would probably believe) Thus, they'd *insist* that I provided tech support after I opened their system up. Plus, as soon as I mess around with it once, it'd be my fault for everything they screwed up from that point on.

If you got a Dell, adding a second hdd doesn't void the computer's warranty, but if your inlaws are the way they are, I would tell them that they are on their own.
 
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Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: DrPizza
Originally posted by: dullard
1) New Dell? Use Win XP, forget Nero.

2) If you are going to do the work, do it 100%. That is, if you help them, you MUST be the one who backs it up first. If you aren't willing to do that, don't do any work at all.

The files that need to be backed up are on their old computer... WinME... I'd be willing to wager has 100's of adware programs all running in the background. It probably makes the phrase "runs like molasses in January" sound like an overly optimistic statement. Yeah, the new computer has XP. I could take the old hard drive out and stick it in the new computer (problem solved) - but that means... warranty violated, loss of tech support (or so the in-laws would probably believe) Thus, they'd *insist* that I provided tech support after I opened their system up. Plus, as soon as I mess around with it once, it'd be my fault for everything they screwed up from that point on.

If you got a Dell, adding a second hdd doesn't void the computer's warranty, but if your inlaws are the way they are, I would tell them that they are on their own.

I thought you void the warranty when you open the case?
 

xSauronx

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Originally posted by: Linux23
Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
My parents tell all my neighbors that i'll be happy to configure/troubleshoot their PCs. And for free! Aren't I lucky?

LOL. When I was younger my mother volunteered my services too.

my mother told people that, and id just tell people i wasnt really sure about that problem because id never encountered it before....and i said that about *anything*
 
Dec 10, 2005
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Originally posted by: LoKe
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: DrPizza
Originally posted by: dullard
1) New Dell? Use Win XP, forget Nero.

2) If you are going to do the work, do it 100%. That is, if you help them, you MUST be the one who backs it up first. If you aren't willing to do that, don't do any work at all.

The files that need to be backed up are on their old computer... WinME... I'd be willing to wager has 100's of adware programs all running in the background. It probably makes the phrase "runs like molasses in January" sound like an overly optimistic statement. Yeah, the new computer has XP. I could take the old hard drive out and stick it in the new computer (problem solved) - but that means... warranty violated, loss of tech support (or so the in-laws would probably believe) Thus, they'd *insist* that I provided tech support after I opened their system up. Plus, as soon as I mess around with it once, it'd be my fault for everything they screwed up from that point on.

If you got a Dell, adding a second hdd doesn't void the computer's warranty, but if your inlaws are the way they are, I would tell them that they are on their own.

I thought you void the warranty when you open the case?

Nope. Adding RAM/drives/any kind of add-on cards does not void the warranty. I think changing the CPU might void it, but the other stuff certainly does not.
 

Kadarin

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Nice rant.. I give you a 10/10.

I gave my mom my old iMac (800mhz G4), and told her that if any incompatibilities arose (i.e. things that only work on Windows) that she should just deal with it. I told her that I refuse to support her using Windows, and as it turns out, it was the right decision.