RANT: Pro-War advocates just don't understand.

[dabuddha]

don't mind polm
he's just one of those people that demanded budget cut's for our intelligence community and then demanded to know why they didn't foresee 9/11.
I'm sure he'll still be against a war against Iraq when "so damn insane" spreads a little virus loving in our country

 

[Corn]

All they need is a sunny weekend.

Got it. 😉

Well Polm, if you're not smart enough to determine the length of time that should be allowed for "inspections", you're probably not smart enough to determine when we should attack.

Got it?

 

[optoman]

I just found this article on CNN.

The Philippines government is expelling an Iraqi diplomat, accusing the envoy of having ties to the Abu Sayyaf terrorist group.

Hmm, interesting.

Second Secretary Husham Husain has been given 48 hours to leave the country, according to a statement by Philippine Foreign Secretary Blas Ople.

The Philippine government said it had intelligence that the Iraqi diplomat has ties to the Islamic extremist group, which is one of several outfits fighting for a separate Muslim state in the south of the predominantly Catholic Philippines.

The Abu Sayyaf is also believed to have links with Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network.

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: polm

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Well this pro-anti-war debate will be moot in short order. Baghdad really will fall quickly and I believe that the war will go with much more ease than a lot of people fear. Don't forget what happened in the Gulf War. This time the allied coalition is playing for keeps - Iraq's military will fold quickly to save themselves and watch saddamn fall.

Skoorb..to be honest, and to be realistic, I know that this war will happen soon. IN-fact, for the most part, I have resided to debate the tactics versus the likelihood.

That being said, I do hope that this war is "quick" and remotely painless. I do beleive their is a good chance the US military can do this responsibly and efficiently.

I am just not 100% sure. I think that is the thing with war...you never are 100% sure. It is that small, or large, chance for the unknow result that gives me cause for patience, reflection, and the need to continue to keep PEACEFUL soltutions at the forefront of our planning.

agreed on the first 2 parts. as far as the peaceful solution, you have yet to state any useful solutions. All the ones you've said before are either flawed or have been done and don't work. You have to draw the line somewhere. Better now than 5 years later when saddam is so much more stronger

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: polm

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Well this pro-anti-war debate will be moot in short order. Baghdad really will fall quickly and I believe that the war will go with much more ease than a lot of people fear. Don't forget what happened in the Gulf War. This time the allied coalition is playing for keeps - Iraq's military will fold quickly to save themselves and watch saddamn fall.

Skoorb..to be honest, and to be realistic, I know that this war will happen soon. IN-fact, for the most part, I have resided to debate the tactics versus the likelihood.

That being said, I do hope that this war is "quick" and remotely painless. I do beleive their is a good chance the US military can do this responsibly and efficiently.

I am just not 100% sure. I think that is the thing with war...you never are 100% sure. It is that small, or large, chance for the unknow result that gives me cause for patience, reflection, and the need to continue to keep PEACEFUL soltutions at the forefront of our planning.

No you never can be sure, but I really believe that this will go quickly and the bulk of the combat will be over ridiculously quickly. Not only is the US army better and the Iraqi one worse than the gulf war, but if you combine that with Iraq believing that Saddamn will go at the end of it all it's going to go very quickly. I think that 2-3 months from now France is going to be looking back and saying "oops" because the war went off well and they were left holding their dicks not willing to do anything. So they won't be able to claim any credit for removing Saddamn.

 

[polm]

Originally posted by: dabuddha
don't mind polm
he's just one of those people that demanded budget cut's for our intelligence community and then demanded to know why they didn't foresee 9/11.
I'm sure he'll still be against a war against Iraq when "so damn insane" spreads a little virus loving in our country

geez...you all keep making these assumptions about me, and so far you have all been wrong 🙂

I think intelligence is the most important element in defence. It is a budget I am willing to fork over my hard earned dollars to , in the form of taxes, without hesitation.

I did not ask why noone foresaw 9/11. I think attacks like 9/11 are beyond our control. I blame noone but the perpetrators of the attack, and those that supported them for what they did.

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: polm

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Well this pro-anti-war debate will be moot in short order. Baghdad really will fall quickly and I believe that the war will go with much more ease than a lot of people fear. Don't forget what happened in the Gulf War. This time the allied coalition is playing for keeps - Iraq's military will fold quickly to save themselves and watch saddamn fall.

Skoorb..to be honest, and to be realistic, I know that this war will happen soon. IN-fact, for the most part, I have resided to debate the tactics versus the likelihood.

That being said, I do hope that this war is "quick" and remotely painless. I do beleive their is a good chance the US military can do this responsibly and efficiently.

I am just not 100% sure. I think that is the thing with war...you never are 100% sure. It is that small, or large, chance for the unknow result that gives me cause for patience, reflection, and the need to continue to keep PEACEFUL soltutions at the forefront of our planning.

No you never can be sure, but I really believe that this will go quickly and the bulk of the combat will be over ridiculously quickly. Not only is the US army better and the Iraqi one worse than the gulf war, but if you combine that with Iraq believing that Saddamn will go at the end of it all it's going to go very quickly. I think that 2-3 months from now France is going to be looking back and saying "oops" because the war went off well and they were left holding their dicks not willing to do anything. So they won't be able to claim any credit for removing Saddamn.

ahh you're mistaken. France will still try to find a way to take credit for taking down saddam

 

[polm]

Originally posted by: Corn

All they need is a sunny weekend.

Got it. 😉

Well Polm, if you're not smart enough to determine the length of time that should be allowed for "inspections", you're probably not smart enough to determine when we should attack.

Got it?

I do understand your point. One who isn't capable of determining the appropriate time table for UN inspections into Iraq is probably not capable of determining the proper militart time-table that the US government should employ for a war against Iraq.

Kind of like...One who doesnt know how to remove a persons kidney, is probably not capable of provoding the filling for a cavity.

 

[StageLeft]

ahh you're mistaken. France will still try to find a way to take credit for taking down saddam

Yeah I was trying to think on that after posting. If they don't drop in a troop or two at the end as things are wrapping up they'll condemn the Iraqi civilian casualties - which will in great part part be related to deliberately putting them in harm's way by Saddamn.

 

[arod]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

ahh you're mistaken. France will still try to find a way to take credit for taking down saddam

Yeah I was trying to think on that after posting. If they don't drop in a troop or two at the end as things are wrapping up they'll condemn the Iraqi civilian casualties - which will in great part part be related to deliberately putting them in harm's way by Saddamn.

I say we put france out of their misery too while were at it 😉

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: arod

Originally posted by: Skoorb

ahh you're mistaken. France will still try to find a way to take credit for taking down saddam

Yeah I was trying to think on that after posting. If they don't drop in a troop or two at the end as things are wrapping up they'll condemn the Iraqi civilian casualties - which will in great part part be related to deliberately putting them in harm's way by Saddamn.

I say we put france out of their misery too while were at it 😉

Hell I think even Canada could do that.

 

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[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Well this pro-anti-war debate will be moot in short order. Baghdad really will fall quickly and I believe that the war will go with much more ease than a lot of people fear. Don't forget what happened in the Gulf War. This time the allied coalition is playing for keeps - Iraq's military will fold quickly to save themselves and watch saddamn fall.

The actual Military action isn't what makes me nervous, it's the aftermath. Of course if we do nothing, especially after we have said that we would, the ramifications would be even be more dire.

Frankly I'm for giving the Inspectors more time, not because I believe it will do any good because I don't, but because I believe that if we do and Hussien still refuses to cooperate we will be able convince those nations who are hesitant to act now to finally get on board. Even if they don't actively participate I believe they will capitulate and agree that the only option left is military action. Hey we've given Hussien 12 years, what's another 6 months going to matter? I firmly believe that to effectively over throw Hussiens regime and to keep the whole region from totally destabilizing we will need the support of countries like Russia and Germany. As far as France is concerned, the less they have to do with anything the better.

 

[Corn]

Kind of like...One who doesnt know how to remove a persons kidney, is probably not capable of provoding the filling for a cavity.

Hey, you said it, not me. 😀

....and no, you didn't "see" my point:

The following is a little closer to my point: One who isn't smart enough to make it through dental school is probably not smart enough to remove a person's kidney.

You see Polm, if you aren't smart enough to determine how long inspections should be given, what makes you think that enough time hasn't already elapsed, and thus when is the proper time for military action?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Corn

Kind of like...One who doesnt know how to remove a persons kidney, is probably not capable of provoding the filling for a cavity.

Hey, you said it, not me. 😀

....and no, you didn't "see" my point:

The following is a little closer to my point: One who isn't smart enough to make it through dental school is probably not smart enough to remove a person's kidney.

You see Polm, if you aren't smart enough to determine how long inspections should be given, what makes you think that enough time hasn't already elapsed, and thus when is the proper time for military action?

The proper time for Military action was 12 years ago. We are now dealing with the consequences of the short sightedness of our government and it's leader following the Gulf War.

 

[Parrotheader]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: arod

Originally posted by: Skoorb

ahh you're mistaken. France will still try to find a way to take credit for taking down saddam

Yeah I was trying to think on that after posting. If they don't drop in a troop or two at the end as things are wrapping up they'll condemn the Iraqi civilian casualties - which will in great part part be related to deliberately putting them in harm's way by Saddamn.

I say we put france out of their misery too while were at it 😉

Hell I think even Canada could do that.

Send in THE tank.

(somebody had to say it 😉 )

 

[Corn]

The actual Military action isn't what makes me nervous, it's the aftermath. Of course if we do nothing, especially after we have said that we would, the ramifications would be even be more dire.

Exactly! It's not like our record of taking care of our promises to those in Iraq is all that stellar. Basically we screwed the Kurds over, bigtime. It better not happen that way again.

If we are going to war under the pretense of freeing the Iraqi people from agression, well we better damned well make sure that they are free when we're done.

 

[polm]

Originally posted by: Corn

Kind of like...One who doesnt know how to remove a persons kidney, is probably not capable of provoding the filling for a cavity.

Hey, you said it, not me. 😀

....and no, you didn't "see" my point:

The following is a little closer to my point: One who isn't smart enough to make it through dental school is probably not smart enough to remove a person's kidney.

You see Polm, if you aren't smart enough to determine how long inspections should be given, what makes you think that enough time hasn't already elapsed, and thus when is the proper time for military action?

oi vay...what a side-step. But, being bored as I am at work, I will continue this.

What I was saying about the time line for military action was a statement concerning the weather conditions as they vary from season to season. I was pointing out the cruel conditions of an Iraqi summer and that any time table would , I hope, be taking this into consideration. That being said, the US action would naturally occur durring the colder seasons of the year. In turn, if we decide to extend inspectors time, and therefore pass up our chance to attack now, then i think will need to hold off on military action until the upcoming summer passes.

I am not si sure we can get this done in "a sunny weekend". I hope we do...but I am open minded enough to agree it is not guaranteed.

 

[Corn]

The proper time for Military action was 12 years ago.

I agree, but I also believe that papa Bush agreed too. Our shortsightedness was simply acquiescing to the UN demand that Gulf War ended with removing the Iraqi army from Kuwait. Remember, we can't do anything without UN approval, we wouldn't want to be seen as acting unilaterally..........

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: Parrotheader

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: arod

Originally posted by: Skoorb

ahh you're mistaken. France will still try to find a way to take credit for taking down saddam

Yeah I was trying to think on that after posting. If they don't drop in a troop or two at the end as things are wrapping up they'll condemn the Iraqi civilian casualties - which will in great part part be related to deliberately putting them in harm's way by Saddamn.

I say we put france out of their misery too while were at it 😉

Hell I think even Canada could do that.

Send in THE tank.

(somebody had to say it 😉 )

and the air force with the guy strapped to the wing 😀

 

[Corn]

I was pointing out the cruel conditions of an Iraqi summer and that any time table would , I hope, be taking this into consideration.

Awww, are you afraid our soldiers will melt?

LOL, certain attack strategies are made with regard to weather conditions..... Our military can handle the weather just fine.