Captante
Lifer
- Oct 20, 2003
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Torn Mind
Lifer
- Nov 25, 2012
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Master Apple can compel quality from those not inclined.
I have tried a Galaxy S8. The bezel-less screen is deficient in terms of use because fingers on the edge get registered as touch and that means undesirable commands can get initiated. The glass is fragile on falls.
The Pixel 2 is a horrible hand-me-down-on-from-Ebay phone. The battery is now completely toast and it had a flaky screen too, along with things mysteriously just "disappearing".
If anything, the Windows Phone could have been something if it wasn't so late.
Captante
Lifer
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They make these amazing things for smartphones called CASES...? 
Seriously I've had an s20 for a couple years now and before that an LG v30+ which also had "rounded" edges and I've never had that problem because I bought a "Speck" case for both immediately. (although I DO prefer "flat" screens myself as a rule and "glass" backs are just dumb)
Seriously I've had an s20 for a couple years now and before that an LG v30+ which also had "rounded" edges and I've never had that problem because I bought a "Speck" case for both immediately. (although I DO prefer "flat" screens myself as a rule and "glass" backs are just dumb)
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Torn Mind
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- Nov 25, 2012
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The phone itself was "free" from gubment funds. You think I'm going to spend money on it, especially when the "bezel-less" screen was a turnoff and a threat to create damaging mistakes in input? The glass breaking was dessert to fuel the hate, but the even if it wasn't broken, that phone is phone non grata to me.They make these amazing things for smartphones called CASES...?
Seriously I've had an s20 for a couple years now and I've never had that problem because I bought a case immediately. (although I DO prefer "flat" screens myself as a rule and "glass" backs are just dumb)
I feel sorry for the poor folks who paid full price for a Galaxy S8.
Captante
Lifer
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The Galaxy s8 is coming up on 6 years old now (ancient in phone-years lol) but when compared to the last couple "Obama-phones" I've seen it's STILL relatively the "Starship Enterprise" with a Qualcomm 835 processor and Adreno 540 GPU.
If you have not seen what they're sending out now you would be shocked. The last one I saw that my friend got, I thought included a cheap case BUT NO... it was the back-panel of the phone!
I couldn't believe it.... it felt like a child's toy.
If you have not seen what they're sending out now you would be shocked. The last one I saw that my friend got, I thought included a cheap case BUT NO... it was the back-panel of the phone!
I couldn't believe it.... it felt like a child's toy.
nakedfrog
No Lifer
- Apr 3, 2001
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I found a video of Torn Mind singing the song of his people.
MrSquished
Lifer
- Jan 14, 2013
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Muse
Lifer
- Jul 11, 2001
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Don't they lack a headphone jack these days? That's a deal breaker for me right there. I've met so many people with iPhones it just seems to be the thing to get, but I've never paid a penny for anything Apple that didn't grow on a tree.
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Muse
Lifer
- Jul 11, 2001
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I was quite happy with my Windows phones, I still have them all but seldom use them. The OS was very intuitive, far more than Android. My Idol 4S (what a deal at $100!) still has the best screen of any of my phones including my Galaxy S9, it blows the others away. It was just sad, it got to the point where I had to go Android because nobody was making or maintaining apps for Windows Phone.
lxskllr
No Lifer
- Nov 30, 2004
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I'm fine with low-midrange phones. My Motorola does everything I need. It's my favorite phone I've had. Only complaint is it's tall and skinny. I'd prefer it were a bit shorter and fatter. Oh, and I guess I'd like a removable battery, but that ship's sailed.
VashHT
Diamond Member
- Feb 1, 2007
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Maybe they have better finger control than you? I have a Pixel 6 pro and don't have any problems with accidental touches. Oh yeah I got rid of the iphone 11 pro I had for a pixel 4a 5g too and was quite happy to go back to the pixel, iphones are way overrated imo.
More on topic though, the old head of our R&D division was obsessed with macs, always talked about how he wanted to force everyone at our company to use them and such. The same guy had managed to force his team onto macs when he was just heading one project a while back, all the engineers had to bring PCs from home to actually do work.
- May 19, 2011
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For me, iDevices would have to be better than Android devices in every other respect to make up for their lack of configurability. Instead, we've got essentially two competing products that copy the living daylights out of each other but one heavily restricts what you can do with it. No contest.
Bezels: My Nokia 8.3 (with case supplied by Nokia) is a bit irritating in this respect with just how close the edge of the usable screen is to the edge of the phone. It takes some getting used to if I'm holding my phone landscape-style and watching a video to ensure that I'm not accidentally touching the screen and causing unwanted navigation.
Bezels: My Nokia 8.3 (with case supplied by Nokia) is a bit irritating in this respect with just how close the edge of the usable screen is to the edge of the phone. It takes some getting used to if I'm holding my phone landscape-style and watching a video to ensure that I'm not accidentally touching the screen and causing unwanted navigation.
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DigDog
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- Jun 3, 2011
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I see a lot of people have enjoyed my take on Apple products being only good for the garbage can, and because of this i will expand.
1. I have a profound hate for Apple. I used to be a fan back in 1998 but it went so wrong, it's hard to describe in any meaningful way that doesnt involve a book and a publishing deal.
2. i am a Microsoft fanboy, except that instead of loving Microsoft, i hate Microsoft, but otherwise same same.
3. linux is garbage for 99% of the population.
Let's start from Microsoft.
M$ went from being a greedy, anti-consumer, borderline criminal company, to being an almost pleasant company, AND THEN BACK. They are obviously inspired by Apple in trying to legally own any human that has one of their products, but do not have the same capabilities of evil.
I honestly cannot approve of the current M$ combination of EULA, OS bloatware, and bad design choices. The only reasonable OS setup i can conceive today is a "non-official" release of W10 LTSC, heavily edited:
without ads - because why [insert swear words here] would anyone tolerate ads on a product you have paid for and fully own
without Cortana (and spyware in general) - because again, this is a non-OS product (already banned in the famous Internet Explorer lawsuit), and nothing but a thinly veiled ads delivery system
without forced updates - just because this enforces the concept that YOUR computer isn't really *your* computer, it's a combination of your hardware and a Intellectual Property software wholly owned by M$, but temporarily leased to you.
.. and without a ton of default settings that try to prevent you from owning your computer. Like having to ask permission from the computer to delete some files .. and being denied.
Then let's follow up with Apple. Because most of what i just said about M$, exists because Apple inspired M$ to be as evil as they could possibly dream to be.
Apple has worked incessantly since the early 2000' to make sure that their products "just work" and up to a point they have succeeded, and it's almost admirable that they have survived 10 years of business where they offered products with half the performance at twice the price.
The result is a platform that does anything you want for, from double the money, to infinitely more money.
The very concept of a computer is that "the computer replaces X machine, for free" which is why we fu.. uh wait .. .no swear words in Tech .. why is why we damn dastardly pumped a ton of money into computers to being with between the 80s and the 90s. To have a machine that, yes, does that, but costs more than the machines it replaces, is not "a computer" by the very concept that the machine was built to represent.
OSX has its own idiosyncrasies (yes forum, that's a word) that have their own problems but since it's got 15% market share i'm not even gonna bother to remember what they are. Although i love that OSX will allow you to do the very opposite of Windows and lets you delete irrecoverably files that will turn your PC into a brick once you shut it off. Yay.
And, well, Linux is just linux. It's ONLY good as a professional machine, for someone who never does anything not professional on their professional machine.
You wanna play Angband, a 18Mb game that's 20 years old and requires so little computing power that on a Win PC, the CPU still shows 0% usage? Well **** ***, get ready to compile for 6 hours ******.
.. i mean, my friend who's been in IT for 25 years uses Linux, and he can't talk.
This^ is what i mean that i am a Microsoft fanboy who hates Microsoft. I see a world where Microsoft, a company whom i hate, despise and would want to see destroyed, is the only viable choice. Linux is the equivalent of not owning a computer, and Apple want to charge you every time you fart.
idk, i got sidetracked, help me out a bit for the rest.
1. I have a profound hate for Apple. I used to be a fan back in 1998 but it went so wrong, it's hard to describe in any meaningful way that doesnt involve a book and a publishing deal.
2. i am a Microsoft fanboy, except that instead of loving Microsoft, i hate Microsoft, but otherwise same same.
3. linux is garbage for 99% of the population.
Let's start from Microsoft.
M$ went from being a greedy, anti-consumer, borderline criminal company, to being an almost pleasant company, AND THEN BACK. They are obviously inspired by Apple in trying to legally own any human that has one of their products, but do not have the same capabilities of evil.
I honestly cannot approve of the current M$ combination of EULA, OS bloatware, and bad design choices. The only reasonable OS setup i can conceive today is a "non-official" release of W10 LTSC, heavily edited:
without ads - because why [insert swear words here] would anyone tolerate ads on a product you have paid for and fully own
without Cortana (and spyware in general) - because again, this is a non-OS product (already banned in the famous Internet Explorer lawsuit), and nothing but a thinly veiled ads delivery system
without forced updates - just because this enforces the concept that YOUR computer isn't really *your* computer, it's a combination of your hardware and a Intellectual Property software wholly owned by M$, but temporarily leased to you.
.. and without a ton of default settings that try to prevent you from owning your computer. Like having to ask permission from the computer to delete some files .. and being denied.
Then let's follow up with Apple. Because most of what i just said about M$, exists because Apple inspired M$ to be as evil as they could possibly dream to be.
Apple has worked incessantly since the early 2000' to make sure that their products "just work" and up to a point they have succeeded, and it's almost admirable that they have survived 10 years of business where they offered products with half the performance at twice the price.
The result is a platform that does anything you want for, from double the money, to infinitely more money.
The very concept of a computer is that "the computer replaces X machine, for free" which is why we fu.. uh wait .. .no swear words in Tech .. why is why we damn dastardly pumped a ton of money into computers to being with between the 80s and the 90s. To have a machine that, yes, does that, but costs more than the machines it replaces, is not "a computer" by the very concept that the machine was built to represent.
OSX has its own idiosyncrasies (yes forum, that's a word) that have their own problems but since it's got 15% market share i'm not even gonna bother to remember what they are. Although i love that OSX will allow you to do the very opposite of Windows and lets you delete irrecoverably files that will turn your PC into a brick once you shut it off. Yay.
And, well, Linux is just linux. It's ONLY good as a professional machine, for someone who never does anything not professional on their professional machine.
You wanna play Angband, a 18Mb game that's 20 years old and requires so little computing power that on a Win PC, the CPU still shows 0% usage? Well **** ***, get ready to compile for 6 hours ******.
.. i mean, my friend who's been in IT for 25 years uses Linux, and he can't talk.
This^ is what i mean that i am a Microsoft fanboy who hates Microsoft. I see a world where Microsoft, a company whom i hate, despise and would want to see destroyed, is the only viable choice. Linux is the equivalent of not owning a computer, and Apple want to charge you every time you fart.
idk, i got sidetracked, help me out a bit for the rest.
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Red Squirrel
No Lifer
A lot of newer Macs have the RAM soldered on too.
I hate that crap so much, that seems to be the way everything is going, making everything harder and harder to repair/upgrade.
Captante
Lifer
- Oct 20, 2003
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Nearly all newer smartphones do the weird tall/skinny aspect-ratio screen thing... it does fit into pockets easier but sucks for media-consumption. Ironically my old LG v20 had what I think was the perfect aspect-ratio/resolution @ 1440 x 2560, 16:9 ratio AND a removable battery!
The one phone-feature that to me at least is a "must-have" is a high refresh rate screen. (far more important than resolution IMO)
60hz phone displays look downright "choppy" to me now and there's just no going back. (similar to getting used to a 144hz or higher refresh-rate gaming monitor)
lxskllr
No Lifer
- Nov 30, 2004
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I used to use landscape almost 100%, but this motorola's so long, I end up touching the screen edges with my hand(cause some numbnuts decided bezels were bad), and it's harder to type due to spread. I also use my phone to view blueprints in landscape, and it doesn't give enough vertical room in that orientation. At work, the phone's in a belt holster, and off duty, it's in a cargo pocket. I could easily carry a tablet sized device if needed, but I'd settle for a little refactoring on the phone size.
lxskllr
No Lifer
- Nov 30, 2004
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Ya know, this a general problem with everything electronic. A tool's first duty is to be useful. Plastic is the premium material for a phone, bezels make the phone easier to use, and a headphone jack adds usefulness while costing nothing. Companies put looks and sexiness before usefulness. Sexy doesn't get shit done.
Captante
Lifer
- Oct 20, 2003
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@Torn Mind was partially right about "rolled edges" on phones being super annoying. (thanks Samsung for coming up with the idea!)
Without a decent case they make holding or using the phone a real PITA.
lxskllr
No Lifer
- Nov 30, 2004
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I hope some genius doesn't decide viewing screens should be transparent like they are in NuTrek and some other scifi shows. Can you imagine using a transparent screen to do anything?! Contrast ratio? What's that?! I like to see a jumble of disparate images when I'm reading text, or inspecting an image!
Red Squirrel
No Lifer
Yeah I can see those edges being super annoying. Seems like a dumb "feature".
Laptops have gotten bad too, they focus so much on making them thin that we've basically lost basic things like removable battery, cdrom drive, serial port etc. A serial port on a laptop is actually super useful as you can use the laptop to console in to various equipement. Loss of serial port on newer laptops is a huge issue for field techs at work. Dongles are not always reliable.
Laptops have gotten bad too, they focus so much on making them thin that we've basically lost basic things like removable battery, cdrom drive, serial port etc. A serial port on a laptop is actually super useful as you can use the laptop to console in to various equipement. Loss of serial port on newer laptops is a huge issue for field techs at work. Dongles are not always reliable.
MrSquished
Lifer
- Jan 14, 2013
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Google is no angelic company at all, but fuck apple and there very anti consumer practices like turning text messaging into a walled garden and saying it's for consumers. Just like hanging on to the lightning port.
KMFJD
Lifer
- Aug 11, 2005
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channelnews : Google Runs Attack Campaign Against Apple’s Walled Garden
Google has launched a campaign against Apple’s insistence on keeping iMessages sent from iPhones incompatible with texts sent from Android. “It’s time for Apple to fix texting” reads the headline: “It’s not about the color of the bubbles. It’s the blurry videos, broken group chats, missing read...
www.channelnews.com.au
can't say i've ever had this issue bother me ...seriously the first i have ever heard of this
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