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Descartes

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Originally posted by: Jero
Originally posted by: Ameesh
Originally posted by: rh71
wow you sound like a real go-getter even if you quit this one. I'm sure tons of people will hire you after you quit !

Seriously though... go back to school and figure out what you want to do with your life. It's obvious computer work isn't it cause it's all boring unless you have a passion for it in the first place.

it sounds like he wants to do real programming not web pages which i can totally empathize with.

Coding is Coding. No matter which way you look at it.

Web pages could be considered as web development if you use the right technologies ;)

No, it's really not.

Allow me a [probably poor] analogy. As a child you have many ambitions, and you pursue those ambitions. The entire pursuit is intrinsic in nature, and that intrinsic desire gets compromised when then turn the product of that desire to the quixotic ways of business. It's the same problem of an artist who loses his motivation when he's suddenly paid to produce; the desire is extrinsic, and therefore less satisfying. Years of this will generally burn out that previous intrinsic desire, and what you have left is a wash out, has-been, etc.

Anyway, for many, development was an interest independent of vocational interests; amateur in the truest way. The philosophy lives with many in the open source world, but very little, if at all in the business world. It's this reason that many developers seek real problems, real challenges, etc. in non-business environments; embedded systems is a great example.

The only company I've known that still embodies the spirit of intrinsic motivation is Microsoft. Every person I've met from Microsoft retains this spirit, and it seems to almost be amplified. It's a great thing to see. Contrast this with the many, many burn-outs of corporate IT...

That's all for me!
 

Buttzilla

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Oct 12, 2000
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Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: Ameesh
Originally posted by: rh71
wow you sound like a real go-getter even if you quit this one. I'm sure tons of people will hire you after you quit !

Seriously though... go back to school and figure out what you want to do with your life. It's obvious computer work isn't it cause it's all boring unless you have a passion for it in the first place.

it sounds like he wants to do real programming not web pages which i can totally empathize with.

EXACTLY! And some work is XML. That's basiacally like taking inventory to me. Wow, there are 5 red pens and two blue pens in my top drawer. The middle drawer contains 9 pencils. Yayyyy. It really feals like work a secretary could do sometimes.

it's not the money is it? cause most IT people i know (in cali) make roughly 80k a year here.
 
Sep 29, 2004
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Originally posted by: Jero
Originally posted by: Ameesh
Originally posted by: rh71
wow you sound like a real go-getter even if you quit this one. I'm sure tons of people will hire you after you quit !

Seriously though... go back to school and figure out what you want to do with your life. It's obvious computer work isn't it cause it's all boring unless you have a passion for it in the first place.

it sounds like he wants to do real programming not web pages which i can totally empathize with.

Coding is Coding. No matter which way you look at it.

Web pages could be considered as web development if you use the right technologies ;)

No, web development is absolutely NOTHING like embedded work. Do web pages have timing requirments. Do you have to consider how multi-threaded applications synchronize properly so the correct data goes in and out of a system within miliseconds of tolerence. That's real-time embedded, but I've done that to. Do you worry about how windows or Unix handles messages in order to process actions properly?

no...

"Coding embeded systems is not anything like coding a web page!"

 

rh71

No Lifer
Aug 28, 2001
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Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: Ameesh
Originally posted by: rh71
wow you sound like a real go-getter even if you quit this one. I'm sure tons of people will hire you after you quit !

Seriously though... go back to school and figure out what you want to do with your life. It's obvious computer work isn't it cause it's all boring unless you have a passion for it in the first place.

it sounds like he wants to do real programming not web pages which i can totally empathize with.

EXACTLY! And some work is XML. That's basiacally like taking inventory to me. Wow, there are 5 red pens and two blue pens in my top drawer. The middle drawer contains 9 pencils. Yayyyy. It really feals like work a secretary could do sometimes.
"web pages" and writing simple files (XML) or all facets of web applications interacting with databases ? I do the latter and it rules in my mind. Keeps me in the game. I'm not a hardcore programmer (C++/Java) and would never want to be (cause it's too focused) so to each his own.. and you did say you hated IT (in general it seemed). Along with the previous post, you're sending 50 different signals here. What do you really want to be doing ?
 

notfred

Lifer
Feb 12, 2001
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Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: Ameesh
Originally posted by: rh71
wow you sound like a real go-getter even if you quit this one. I'm sure tons of people will hire you after you quit !

Seriously though... go back to school and figure out what you want to do with your life. It's obvious computer work isn't it cause it's all boring unless you have a passion for it in the first place.

it sounds like he wants to do real programming not web pages which i can totally empathize with.

EXACTLY! And some work is XML. That's basiacally like taking inventory to me. Wow, there are 5 red pens and two blue pens in my top drawer. The middle drawer contains 9 pencils. Yayyyy. It really feals like work a secretary could do sometimes.

Depends on what you're doing with XML. It can make managing data easier as a part of a larger project, and XSLT is almost programming in itself.
 

Arkitech

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Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Go listen to "Don't Worry, Be Happy".

You have a job, be thankful. Everyone knows it's easier to find a job once you have a job, so don't quit. Just write a resume, send it out, and see if you get any bites.

Man, i have to do this. Rrrrrrrrr. I'm always "not in the mood" to do it becasue I'm so damn frustrated with work. I enjoy my weekends off, etc. And when it comes down to content, I don't want to list half of the stuff because it's IT and I don't care to discuss it in interviews. Well, that project. I didn't do much. Wrote some javascript. tested it. Not much to say. It's mindless work. But hte thing is, I have to list that stuff as filler. And it's been so long since I did real embedded work, I'd be tongue twisted half during an interview. I really feal like I'm up the creek without a paddle sometimes.

I mean, it's so bad that I wake up i nthe morning depressed. I've driving half way to work before and considered just not showing up. Soemtimes, after I park my car and walk toward the building, I feal like vomiting. And these thing have happened to me and in most cases, multiple times.

wow dude, your story sounds almost exactly like mine. there's been many days where I've been at home and the thought of going back to my hellhole of an office has made me physically ill. worst feeling ever
 
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Originally posted by: rh71
how''s everything going at home ? You're about to become a father ... doesn't this at least even things out in your head ? You make it out to sound like your life is falling apart because of this job. It's a job... not everyone likes it and not everyone changes the world while doing it.

Who knows, after the kid pops out, maybe you will enjoy the stress-free mindless environment at work.

Life at home is good. It's even better since I instituted the "never ask me about work" rule. Even my in-laws don't ask anymore. The sister-in-law wasn't aware of it, so she asked "how was work" one day and i said great. I cut a hole in my slab, took out hte cememtn. now I'm ready to redo the drainage system for the half bath." I think she knows not to ask me that question ever again.

I can't wait for my boy to come. I can add him to my motivational corner. Right next to me previous employers mug that I keep as a reminder to never quit my job unless something is lined up already.

I am thinking about going into real estate, but the hours are way to wierd. I also thought about car salesman, but I have a fear that I'd be forced to act a s a pressure style salesman by my employer...simply because that's all I ever get when looking at cars. Pressure. Even if I tell them I'm jsut looking, they try sellling my something. And you have to take schooling I beleive to sell cars. Not to sure.

AAARRRGHHHH
 

rh71

No Lifer
Aug 28, 2001
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Originally posted by: Buttzilla
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: Ameesh
Originally posted by: rh71
wow you sound like a real go-getter even if you quit this one. I'm sure tons of people will hire you after you quit !

Seriously though... go back to school and figure out what you want to do with your life. It's obvious computer work isn't it cause it's all boring unless you have a passion for it in the first place.

it sounds like he wants to do real programming not web pages which i can totally empathize with.

EXACTLY! And some work is XML. That's basiacally like taking inventory to me. Wow, there are 5 red pens and two blue pens in my top drawer. The middle drawer contains 9 pencils. Yayyyy. It really feals like work a secretary could do sometimes.

it's not the money is it? cause most IT people i know (in cali) make roughly 80k a year here.
I'd like to know about this too... given the avatar and all.
 
Sep 29, 2004
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Originally posted by: Buttzilla
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: Ameesh
Originally posted by: rh71
wow you sound like a real go-getter even if you quit this one. I'm sure tons of people will hire you after you quit !

Seriously though... go back to school and figure out what you want to do with your life. It's obvious computer work isn't it cause it's all boring unless you have a passion for it in the first place.

it sounds like he wants to do real programming not web pages which i can totally empathize with.

EXACTLY! And some work is XML. That's basiacally like taking inventory to me. Wow, there are 5 red pens and two blue pens in my top drawer. The middle drawer contains 9 pencils. Yayyyy. It really feals like work a secretary could do sometimes.

it's not the money is it? cause most IT people i know (in cali) make roughly 80k a year here.

MONEY
OK, I admit. It's not bad at all. Not that good, but we have good health benefits and a 401K program. And even more shocking, we still have a pension plan!!! So, when everything is summed up, it's just like an $80K job. The benefits make up for it. We also have flex hours which is nice.

EIDT: I should add that the money/benefits is the only thing keeping me from walking right now.
 

rh71

No Lifer
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where do you live ?

(I can't believe you guys suckered me into caring about this poor slob's needs after reading all he's said)
 

Ameesh

Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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Originally posted by: Jero
Originally posted by: Ameesh
Originally posted by: rh71
wow you sound like a real go-getter even if you quit this one. I'm sure tons of people will hire you after you quit !

Seriously though... go back to school and figure out what you want to do with your life. It's obvious computer work isn't it cause it's all boring unless you have a passion for it in the first place.

it sounds like he wants to do real programming not web pages which i can totally empathize with.

Coding is Coding. No matter which way you look at it.

Web pages could be considered as web development if you use the right technologies ;)

lol, if you say so.
 

Leejai

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Jul 22, 2001
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Better than being an IT person for a major hotel chain in San Francisco. While union workers are on strike, exempt employees are doing housekeeping work.

My buddy who works for the Hilton said he was vaccuming the beds yesterday...but hey..i'd do it for 100+k/year...
 
Sep 29, 2004
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Originally posted by: Arkitech
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Go listen to "Don't Worry, Be Happy".

You have a job, be thankful. Everyone knows it's easier to find a job once you have a job, so don't quit. Just write a resume, send it out, and see if you get any bites.

Man, i have to do this. Rrrrrrrrr. I'm always "not in the mood" to do it becasue I'm so damn frustrated with work. I enjoy my weekends off, etc. And when it comes down to content, I don't want to list half of the stuff because it's IT and I don't care to discuss it in interviews. Well, that project. I didn't do much. Wrote some javascript. tested it. Not much to say. It's mindless work. But hte thing is, I have to list that stuff as filler. And it's been so long since I did real embedded work, I'd be tongue twisted half during an interview. I really feal like I'm up the creek without a paddle sometimes.

I mean, it's so bad that I wake up i nthe morning depressed. I've driving half way to work before and considered just not showing up. Soemtimes, after I park my car and walk toward the building, I feal like vomiting. And these thing have happened to me and in most cases, multiple times.

wow dude, your story sounds almost exactly like mine. there's been many days where I've been at home and the thought of going back to my hellhole of an office has made me physically ill. worst feeling ever

OH MY GOD! I'm not alone! We should start some sort of AT self help group. Feal free to tell your story ;)
 
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Originally posted by: rh71
Originally posted by: Buttzilla
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: Ameesh
Originally posted by: rh71
wow you sound like a real go-getter even if you quit this one. I'm sure tons of people will hire you after you quit !

Seriously though... go back to school and figure out what you want to do with your life. It's obvious computer work isn't it cause it's all boring unless you have a passion for it in the first place.

it sounds like he wants to do real programming not web pages which i can totally empathize with.

EXACTLY! And some work is XML. That's basiacally like taking inventory to me. Wow, there are 5 red pens and two blue pens in my top drawer. The middle drawer contains 9 pencils. Yayyyy. It really feals like work a secretary could do sometimes.

it's not the money is it? cause most IT people i know (in cali) make roughly 80k a year here.
I'd like to know about this too... given the avatar and all.

Quick explanation of the avatar. I really consider myself to have 3 jobs. Unfortunately, software (IT currently) is about 90% of the income.

1) software
2) I bought a fixer-upper. plan on repeating this next year. Hopefully atelast two more times total, so it's kinda like a career.
3) The true reason for the avatar is that I'm an avid investor. No, not speculator. Investor. I enjoy this also, but don't think I'll turn it into a career (like financial adivsor, etc). i get a nice chunk of change from dividends every year along with options trading(naked puts) I do. That all gets re-invested though.
 
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Originally posted by: rh71
where do you live ?

(I can't believe you guys suckered me into caring about this poor slob's needs after reading all he's said)

Centerbrook, CT

might apply for a job in Middletown that is embedded work.
 

Hyperblaze

Lifer
May 31, 2001
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Originally posted by: Ameesh
Originally posted by: Jero
Originally posted by: Ameesh
Originally posted by: rh71
wow you sound like a real go-getter even if you quit this one. I'm sure tons of people will hire you after you quit !

Seriously though... go back to school and figure out what you want to do with your life. It's obvious computer work isn't it cause it's all boring unless you have a passion for it in the first place.

it sounds like he wants to do real programming not web pages which i can totally empathize with.

Coding is Coding. No matter which way you look at it.

Web pages could be considered as web development if you use the right technologies ;)

lol, if you say so.

It isn't a perfect world ok? You make do with what you have. I've had jobs where the closest I could
get to software development was creating websites in html and javascript. Fortunately php came along and it feels closer to C now. Not that PHP is a bad language, I love using it.

Not everyone loves their jobs. But those who don't hopefully try to find something they enjoy about it to keep their sanity.

To make another example. Srf technologies use C++. ASP uses visual basic (ok, bad example)

I've never programmed in embedded systems but I do know it does take programming skills to create decent functional web pages these days.
 

Ameesh

Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: rh71
Originally posted by: Buttzilla
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: Ameesh
Originally posted by: rh71
wow you sound like a real go-getter even if you quit this one. I'm sure tons of people will hire you after you quit !

Seriously though... go back to school and figure out what you want to do with your life. It's obvious computer work isn't it cause it's all boring unless you have a passion for it in the first place.

it sounds like he wants to do real programming not web pages which i can totally empathize with.

EXACTLY! And some work is XML. That's basiacally like taking inventory to me. Wow, there are 5 red pens and two blue pens in my top drawer. The middle drawer contains 9 pencils. Yayyyy. It really feals like work a secretary could do sometimes.

it's not the money is it? cause most IT people i know (in cali) make roughly 80k a year here.
I'd like to know about this too... given the avatar and all.

Quick explanation of the avatar. I really consider myself to have 3 jobs. Unfortunately, software (IT currently) is about 90% of the income.

1) software
2) I bought a fixer-upper. plan on repeating this next year. Hopefully atelast two more times total, so it's kinda like a career.
3) The true reason for the avatar is that I'm an avid investor. No, not speculator. Investor. I enjoy this also, but don't think I'll turn it into a career (like financial adivsor, etc). i get a nice chunk of change from dividends every year along with options trading(naked puts) I do. That all gets re-invested though.

uncovered puts == crazy crazy
 

Gnurb

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Mar 6, 2001
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Thinking sympathetically towards those who must work with you; please get a different job as soon as possible. I would agree with the gas station job over this even. Nothing irks me more then dealing with unmotivated/incompetent IT people.
 
Sep 29, 2004
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Originally posted by: Ameesh
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: rh71
Originally posted by: Buttzilla
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: Ameesh
Originally posted by: rh71
wow you sound like a real go-getter even if you quit this one. I'm sure tons of people will hire you after you quit !

Seriously though... go back to school and figure out what you want to do with your life. It's obvious computer work isn't it cause it's all boring unless you have a passion for it in the first place.

it sounds like he wants to do real programming not web pages which i can totally empathize with.

EXACTLY! And some work is XML. That's basiacally like taking inventory to me. Wow, there are 5 red pens and two blue pens in my top drawer. The middle drawer contains 9 pencils. Yayyyy. It really feals like work a secretary could do sometimes.

it's not the money is it? cause most IT people i know (in cali) make roughly 80k a year here.
I'd like to know about this too... given the avatar and all.

Quick explanation of the avatar. I really consider myself to have 3 jobs. Unfortunately, software (IT currently) is about 90% of the income.

1) software
2) I bought a fixer-upper. plan on repeating this next year. Hopefully atelast two more times total, so it's kinda like a career.
3) The true reason for the avatar is that I'm an avid investor. No, not speculator. Investor. I enjoy this also, but don't think I'll turn it into a career (like financial adivsor, etc). i get a nice chunk of change from dividends every year along with options trading(naked puts) I do. That all gets re-invested though.

uncovered puts == crazy crazy

hhehehe. I see we have an investor.

it';s actually a better way of buying stock. Take Pfizer today. Trading at $29.50. I'd rather sell some 27.50 puts for say $1.00 each. There are two outcomes:

1) I pocket that $1.00 and walk away
2) The sahres are put to me and I essentially buy PFE at $26.50

When used with valuation, naked puts are a very nice strategy!

I also do covered calls, but nothing I have right now is overvalued.
 
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Originally posted by: Gnurb
Thinking sympathetically towards those who must work with you; please get a different job as soon as possible. I would agree with the gas station job over this even. Nothing irks me more then dealing with unmotivated/incompetent IT people.

Hahahahaha, that sounds like 90% of the people I work with.
 

RKS

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Oct 9, 1999
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I worked a government IS job for a few years but the great wages and benefits could not outweigh the anxiety that I felt every Sunday evening about resuming the work week.

Thankfully my wife and I were able to withstand the 50% paycut I took when starting in a totally unrelated field. Now 4 years later I am with the same organization, 2 classes from completing my law degree, have gained invaluable experience and legal connections, and have a few career options after the bar.. None of this would have been possible if I would have stayed in my prior occupation.

Life is waaaay to short for a miserable job that kills you slowly, get out now, thank me later.
 

CraigRT

Lifer
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I somewhat dislike my job too... oh well I vowed I'd be out of here in less than a year, so hopefully that is true! :)
 

Scarpozzi

Lifer
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My best advice... Don't REALLY program web pages... Just grab a copy of Frontpage and use that to build everything. You'll be reassigned by the end of the week.
 

HKSturboKID

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to make you feel better he is my career path since I was 14.

Factory under wage worker
restaurant delivery boy
restaurant order taker
auto mechanic
autoparts counter person
IT helpdesk
IT support
Cisco and Server Engineer (lay off after 10 years)
back to autoparts salesman
to the IT helpdesk again
and now current doing desktop support.

Now you tell me what i do wrong in life. I am in the same situation that you are. Wife pregnant, and need $ to pay bills, otherwise, I would rather recycle cans for a living.