Rant:How can Bin Laden be wanted by the US? Seeing he's never been to the US, so it impossible for him to break US laws?

[fdiskboy]

Dabanshee...

You are a troll.

Actually, you are quite close to the realityof this situation. Bin Laden actually committed an act of war against the US. That's what it's called when you attack another country's armed forces. Any reprisals are justified.

For all you US haters out there, next time some hot shot despot holds your feet to the fire, I certainly hope you don't run to us looking for help. I would love to spend all the money we waste on you ignorant bastards on something far more useful to our citizens, like tax breaks or a high-speed rail system.

 

[IamDavid]

I'm glad most people are finally calling it an act of war.. For some reason after the last attack everyone said it was a terrorist attack. If someone attacks a civilian then its a terrorist act. If someone attacks professional soldiers then it is a act of war...

With that said, Mr. Bin Laden has waged war on the U.S. and we have done nothing about it except bomb a drug manufacturing plant. If Clinton had any spine what so ever he would've sent our troops after him nomatter where the man was hiding..

But now we have a bigger problem though. Bin Laden is no longer just a nut case on a mission from God, he is now considered a hand of God by many people. So if we do happen to kill him off then he becomes a marauder. After that the world will become a even more dangerous place..

 

[Crimson]

When did Anandtech get infested with a bunch of complete morons? Wait, maybe it always has been. Is this some sort of sick joke or are some of you that stupid?

First of all, an Embassy is considered to be the "soil" of the country that occupies it.. IE, if the US has an embassy in Russia, you are essentially in the US when you are at that embassy.. therefore, if you damage or otherwise harm that property its the same as doing it in this country.

Second.. counties like Yemen INVITE us to their country.. we wouldn't be docking for fuel there if they didn't want us to.. So you ask what we were doing there.. we were invited by that country to buy some fuel.. that doesn't give someone the right to attack our ships. The terrorists DID break US laws by attacking a US ship in a foreign port, they also broke Yemen's laws.. Yemen can also request that we handle the procecution of these terrorists, since we were the ones affected.

Following some of your logic, it would be OK for the US to launch a nuclear warhead at Iceland no reason.. After all, we can't help it if Iceland happens to be at the exact same location that we decided to detonate our nukes on.. That makes no sense, and that argument is just insane.

Also, you forget about INTERNATIONAL treaties and laws... most countries are part of the United Nations and there are obviously agreements between those countries to not allow terrorism, attacks on foreign citizens, etc in their country..

Last.. if you think Bin Laden doesn't deserve to be strung up by his balls and hung in the center of Central Park.. you are a moron.. the man has killed hundreds if not many more innocent people.. Regardless of what you think of the US, you are lucky their are counties like he US to take care of people like Bin Laden, and not cower and hide in the corner.. Regardless of whether or not you want to accept it, there are certain moral laws we should all be governed by as human beings, and its our DUTY to punish those who break those.. The US just has the ability to do that more so than other countries.

 

[Youareaweaklink]

Example of the last 100 years.

World: "Get out. We hate Americans. You are devils. Our military is strong like bull! (except Iceland because they can't figure out how to make one yet) We never want you in our country again. On your way out can we buy American goods, raw materials, and borrow some money?"

U.S.: "Thats fine. You can buy our stuff as long as we can buy your oil. If you stop selling it to us, we will kick your @ss."

World: "Fine. It is done! Now leave us alone forever."

U.S. "Bye-Bye have a great time with freedom! Enjoy it!"

World: "Help! USSR and Germany are kicking our @ss. They are killing our civilians, raping our women, and taken over our government. They are Communist. Help us. The U.S. is our only hope!"

U.S. "Sorry, you told us to stay out."

World: "We love Americans. If you help us, you can put military bases in our country forever! We will allow your business interest to come in! Americans are good!"

U.S.: "Ok we will give you American military equipment, food, medicine, training, and the most important thing we will give will be hundreds of thousands of American lives. Young men that were up and comers, that now will be drafted to save your freedom."

World: "Thank you U.S. Hurry though because they bend us over daily and don't lube up. They have taken everything."

U.S.: Goes in and kicks @ss.

World: "Thank you U.S. We love you. Please take my daughters hand in marriage! Please set up your bases to protect us. We missed freedom. By the way, our country is ruined. Please build it back up for us. We need supplies, food, heating oil, medicine, lots of interest free money so we can rebuild our houses and factories. We need those so our people can work, and take care of their families. Please never leave us again!"

U.S. "Ok. Here is all you asked for. We will now station 200,000 our troops in your country to protect you. Of course the taxes from U.S. citizens will pay for all of this. Of course, those 200,000 troops will have to leave everything behind in the States. Such as their house, families, jobs, and all that they love to protect you. That's ok, because we want you to be free!"

World: "Thanks for everything! We have freedom, our economy (which you built) is string. We have jobs, homes, factories, food, and medicine. We have everything we need. But wait, we are bored now. Our national pride fuels the need for us to build up an army. Now our army is better than yours! We hate you Americans. Give us your bases in our country. You are devils! Get out and never come back (French are great at this)!"

U.S. "Until next time!"

This happens over and over and over and over!

 

[Czar]

Bin Laden should be removed from the game of life because he cheated the laws. The US should not cheat by forcing other countries to go by their own law. In international matters countries shall fallow the international laws and not make their own and think that their law applies to everyone.

In this incident
Bin Laden broke the international laws, he should be arested.
The US have not broken the law, the US is the victim, but they could turn into criminals by not following the international laws.

 

[Czar]

Youareaweaklink

We dont have an army because we dont need one, we have big bullies like the US and the UN to fight for us. This is called a smart move.

For the last 50 years we here in Europe have had no problems with wars, while the US has been going through puperty by fighting wars all over the world.

What you have to understand is that the world outside of the US is not full of 3rd world countries.

 

[UG]

Well, if one were a theist and believed in creation, then survival of the fittest philosophy comes into play. If the Pope (Church Alpha male) can get you to do what the Church wants (it is very rich and kinda powerful) then it's ok.

 

[Youareaweaklink]

<< What you have to understand is that the world outside of the US is not full of 3rd world countries. >>



I think Iceland is still a 3rd world country. They are like a leach on Americas s@ck. Always sucking and never giving anything back besides criticism. Always staying in the house looking out the window trying to nag until things change.


blah, blah, blah

 

[DABANSHEE]

Well if that's the case, the US can always return to its pre war isolation, it would be under no greater threat of attack.

Its not as if the US ever gets forced into butting in (well except for Pearl Harbour &amp; that only happened because of the oil embargo that the US was running because of Japans war against China).

Now I personally feel the planet's a better place because of the US butting in sometimes in the past.

But you know what as far as the Americans themselves are concerned they would probably be a lot better off tax wise if that did introduce a police of isolationism again. Its not as if they'd be at any threat of invasion. I don't see anyone invading Oz &amp; we spend less than 2% of our budget on defence. Now imagine the tax dollars that could be saved if the US went all isolationist &amp; only spent 2% of its tax dollars in defence. As if they have to worry about invasions from Canada or Mexico, &amp; anyway there's always the nuke deterrant.

Mind you that would mean Australia &amp; other places might have to increase our defence budgets from there token 1 or 2 percent, but why should Americans keep footing the bill.

 

[Czar]

Youareaweaklink

Why do you think that, do you have anything that could base that opinion of yours on? other than that you have your head stuck so far up your ass.

What have we leeched? tell me, please tell me

 

[Cable God]

I say, if he wants war, give it to him and blow him into the next life....

 

[hammer01]

It will come to the day when terrorism is met with terror, in this electronic world judge, jury and executioner can be on site as law enforcement or military takes a terrorist and as the guilty and execution penalty is given the arresting personnel can put a boot to the back of the terrorists neck and pull the trigger, on to the the next power hungry Hitler wannabe. It has been the same since time began, any individual who considers themselves to be divine in nature or by association will kill, maim, rape and destroy in the name of his deity. The willingness to do the right thing no matter the popularity of the decision is the only thing between these alleged people and those who actually hold life with some sanctity. For example if you wish to be my enemy and make effort to become so, I guarentee I am willing to kill my enemies, this is the nature of enemies, if doing so I make you a martyr so be it I will deal with other idolaters who also desire to be my enemies in the same fashion.

 

[rc5]

Why everyone hates yankees? There ought to be some reason.

 

[Jumpem]

I think that when we get ahold of that islamic extremeist a**, we should send him into space aboard the shuttle. Then put him into the shuttle bay, and open the doors! Let him have what he desrves. Maybe, record it to so all the other arab pieces of sh*t (not implying all arabs, only the nutcases) can see what they have waiting for them, if they want to play games. Or maybe just let the friends and relatives of all the US citizens he's murdered, get together and beat the hell out of him. Send what's left of him back to his &quot;people&quot; and let them know their next, if they don't change their ways.

 

[hammer01]

My reply was not made in anger but made quite rationally, and with aforethought, bin laden is insafe to all things living, whether it is Americans or his own people who tell him he is wrong. He will try to impose his will on those around him and to pervert them to his beliefs, the only way for any living thing to be safe from him is to remove him from our plane if existence and send him to his reward which he must long for.

 

[AfterBurn]

rc5: Maybe because there are certain Americans which happen to have a big mouth with which they scream louder than the majority seem to think biggest == best and find the need to pass judgement about countries they dont know cause they've never even been outside their own state.

Fortunately, most 'real' (as in real-life, person-to-person, personal experience) Americans have way more realistic attitude.

On the other hand, foreigners that 'hate Americans' are usually the people that only know the USA from what they get see of it through Hollywood/news and have as much foundation for their judgement as the first mentioned catagory.

They trigger each other. Action equals reaction. If one goes around insulting the others country, most are nationalistic and patriotic enough to jump up and give an equally unfounded bashing back. Nobody likes a foreigner bashing their country. Thats a privaledge reserved only for those living in that country.

 

[Czar]

AfterBurn

very well put, you might want to change that Hollywood to News because if the US were like hollywood then it would be full of babes

 

[burnedout]

Yes DABANSHEE.....Terrorism is war. Particularly in Bin Laden's case. He commited an act of war when he ordered his punks to strike at the USS Cole and the US Embassies. The United States has every right to terminate his ass with military force.

Experience both terrorism (Frankfurt, Germany - 1985) and war (Persian Gulf) first hand, as I have. Believe me, your opinion towards the prosecution and punishment of terrorists would be so much different.

I'll write more about this when I return from work.

 

[Napalm381]

<< For the last 50 years we here in Europe have had no problems with wars, >>

Really? What about:
[*]Yugoslavia
[*]Britain in the Falklands
[*]France in Vietnam
[*]Greece and Turkey
[*]Russia and a multitude of other nations
Not to mention that terrorism has been much more active in Europe than it has been in the US.

 

[XMan]

<< Why everyone hates yankees? There ought to be some reason. >>



I don't think that's the case, really. I think like all things, there are loud-mouths who get a lot of attention. If the US was so hated, why would so many people want to immigrate here?

One of my favorite writers is Tim O'Brien. I think he has something to say about America that is the most apt phrase I've ever heard.



<< Henry Dobbins was a good man, and a superb soldier, but sophistication was not his strong suit. The ironies went beyond him. In many ways he was like America itself, big and strong, full of good intentions, a roll of fat jiggling athis belly, slow of foot but always plodding along, always there when you needed him, a believer in the virtues of simplicity and directness and hard labor. Like his country too, Dobbins was drawn toward sentimentality. >>



Tim O'Brien, Stockings, The Things They Carried

 

[hammer01]

Nice Xerox Man I may have to pick that one up. It does seem to have the general feel of America summed up in that one paragraph.

 

[AfterBurn]

Czar: It isn't?? :Q

 

[Wedesdo]

watch out for Echelon... these comments might get you jailed for conspriacy!

j/k of course