<><>Well the US could make sure that its military was always under US jurisdiction by keeping its military in its own country, except when its at war.<><>
It does not matter where a US warship is located.. It always remains under US jurisdiction unless captured in war.
It does not matter where a US warship is located.. It always remains under US jurisdiction unless captured in war.
dennilfloss
Past Lifer 1957-2014 In Memoriam
Dabanshee, before you praise how good your army are,
looks at what your army been doing in East Timor in the last
9 months.
looks at what your army been doing in East Timor in the last
9 months.
<< I don't think Australia's at any more risk of being attacked than the US, even though we have a policy of keeping our troops at home unless there's a war on. >>
<< Well the US could make sure that its military was always under US jurisdiction by keeping its military in its own country, except when its at war. >>
We tried that twice. It was called WWI and WWII. Should read up on it some time!
dennilfloss
Past Lifer 1957-2014 In Memoriam
Czar,
Bringing up 'facts' is good if the so-called 'facts' are accurate and relevant, both qualities that must be tested each and every time by informed minds. Dabanshee is generally good on both points but, in his eagerness, he tends to, shall we say in academia linguo, fudge and stretch once in a while.
Happens to all of us on occasion. :Q
Long live the AnandTech intelligentsia!
Vasoline (Stone temple Pilots)
Bringing up 'facts' is good if the so-called 'facts' are accurate and relevant, both qualities that must be tested each and every time by informed minds. Dabanshee is generally good on both points but, in his eagerness, he tends to, shall we say in academia linguo, fudge and stretch once in a while.
Happens to all of us on occasion. :Q
Long live the AnandTech intelligentsia!
Vasoline (Stone temple Pilots)
dennilfloss
True that debanshee points out facts and accepts facts from others, very good quality. He knows alot about the world history so he likes to point out how smart he is and how some people see the world wrongly. Its just anoying when people call "you suck" just because they cant handle the truth and cant say anything against his facts. He probably gets a kick out of it
True that debanshee points out facts and accepts facts from others, very good quality. He knows alot about the world history so he likes to point out how smart he is and how some people see the world wrongly. Its just anoying when people call "you suck" just because they cant handle the truth and cant say anything against his facts. He probably gets a kick out of it
<< Then what was the USS Cole doing in Yemen, were the US at war with Yemen? >>
It was trying to dock to get fuel. That is a commercial port. However, the ship is considered U.S. soil. When it was attacked by losers, it became the U.S.'s responsiblity. We take care of our own.
BTW I figured out the question to you about what Iceland has done.
Bjork, but please take that weirdo back!
dennilfloss
Past Lifer 1957-2014 In Memoriam
Czar,
The sonic boom made by the irony/complicity in my 'you suck' surely must have woken up all the people in your neighbourhood as it whizzed above your head. Dabanshee knows I respect his knowlege and his ardour. We learn from each other and few things are more fun to knowledge freaks. As for "cant say anything against his facts", I suggest you read the thread again, more carefully this time.
Must...go...to...bed...now. Kant spel animower...Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
No Association (Silverchair)
The sonic boom made by the irony/complicity in my 'you suck' surely must have woken up all the people in your neighbourhood as it whizzed above your head.
Dabanshee knows I respect his knowlege and his ardour. We learn from each other and few things are more fun to knowledge freaks. As for "cant say anything against his facts", I suggest you read the thread again, more carefully this time. Must...go...to...bed...now. Kant spel animower...Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
No Association (Silverchair)
<><>Dabanshee is generally good on both points but, in his eagerness, he tends to, shall we say in academia linguo, fudge and stretch once in a while<><>
Let me rephrase this for you Dennis... DABA lies on a regular schedule. He regularly adds 1 + 1 & gets 4i, where the 4 is irrational & the whole result is imaginary. He does it well, kind of like our soon to be x-pres Bill Clinton.
Let me rephrase this for you Dennis... DABA lies on a regular schedule. He regularly adds 1 + 1 & gets 4i, where the 4 is irrational & the whole result is imaginary. He does it well, kind of like our soon to be x-pres Bill Clinton.
dennilfloss
exchanging knowledge is what these forums should be about, so maybe his "facts" are a bit biased by his opinions, but he at last gives us some facts and not just "you suck". PS. this is nothing against you
exchanging knowledge is what these forums should be about, so maybe his "facts" are a bit biased by his opinions, but he at last gives us some facts and not just "you suck". PS. this is nothing against you
Oh my goodness, I'm shocked I agree with Banshee.
It's not so much that the US wants Bin Laden's head on a platter -- that part is very understandable, it's the hypocricy that the US practises when it comes to extradition and respecting foreign sovereignity.
On the one hand the US wants countries like Mexico and Columbia (and many others) to extradite people that have been found guilty in the US of breaking US laws, even if those people have never been in the US, or have not broken laws in the country in which they reside. On the other hand, the US then turns around and has a policy of never turning over US citizens to stand trial in another country for fear of it's citizens not getting a fair trial. These two simply do not mix, and it's sheer hypocricy.
Why should other countries 'hand over' people who commit crimes against the US or it's citizens in their country, when the US will not 'hand over' US citizens to those same countries?
The hypocricy actually extends even further. There are now federal laws on the books that allow people to sue in US federal court in cases where neither party has ever even been in the US and there are no alegations of any wrongdoing whatsoever within the US. An example of this is when a victim of Serb army violence (who is not a US citizen) sues Milosovitch in a US court -- even though neither party is a US citizen, and no crime took place on US soil. Milosovitch could not even show up in the US to defend himself in court, even had he wanted to. It's completely absurd to think people should travel around the world to different countries to defend themselves in lawsuits that people might bring. I believe this is a good example of "kangaroo courts" in action.
I agree with Banshee.It's not so much that the US wants Bin Laden's head on a platter -- that part is very understandable, it's the hypocricy that the US practises when it comes to extradition and respecting foreign sovereignity.
On the one hand the US wants countries like Mexico and Columbia (and many others) to extradite people that have been found guilty in the US of breaking US laws, even if those people have never been in the US, or have not broken laws in the country in which they reside. On the other hand, the US then turns around and has a policy of never turning over US citizens to stand trial in another country for fear of it's citizens not getting a fair trial. These two simply do not mix, and it's sheer hypocricy.
Why should other countries 'hand over' people who commit crimes against the US or it's citizens in their country, when the US will not 'hand over' US citizens to those same countries?
The hypocricy actually extends even further. There are now federal laws on the books that allow people to sue in US federal court in cases where neither party has ever even been in the US and there are no alegations of any wrongdoing whatsoever within the US. An example of this is when a victim of Serb army violence (who is not a US citizen) sues Milosovitch in a US court -- even though neither party is a US citizen, and no crime took place on US soil. Milosovitch could not even show up in the US to defend himself in court, even had he wanted to. It's completely absurd to think people should travel around the world to different countries to defend themselves in lawsuits that people might bring. I believe this is a good example of "kangaroo courts" in action.
Terrorism is war.
If that's the case why was the bloke who blew up the govt building in Oklahoma sentenced to death for the criminal crime of murder & not imprisoned as a prisoner of war.
Were those people convicted of blowing up the World Trade Centre also imprisoned as prisoners of war, too?
Of course not - I specified 'convicted', because the only evidence against them was the testimony of Govt agents/informers/snitches & considering the amount o govt informers, snitches & undercover agents that have of late be cought out falsifying evidence & making false testimonies***, I wouldnt call such testiminy reliable.
***Like that town where about 70 people were convicted on the so say of a govt snitch, then it turned out that all the coke that was confiscated off each of those 70 people was chemically the same, with the same percentages of cuts etc, & actually matched a large quantity of coke that was confiscated by that snitch when he worked as a deputy in another county across the state. So it turned out he kept some of the coke & was loading up selected people with it so the govt could forfeture their property, as he was getting a official commision of 17% on the value of all forfeitures made because of his evidence (I spose that's what they call collateral damage in the drug war)..
If that's the case why was the bloke who blew up the govt building in Oklahoma sentenced to death for the criminal crime of murder & not imprisoned as a prisoner of war.
Were those people convicted of blowing up the World Trade Centre also imprisoned as prisoners of war, too?
Of course not - I specified 'convicted', because the only evidence against them was the testimony of Govt agents/informers/snitches & considering the amount o govt informers, snitches & undercover agents that have of late be cought out falsifying evidence & making false testimonies***, I wouldnt call such testiminy reliable.
***Like that town where about 70 people were convicted on the so say of a govt snitch, then it turned out that all the coke that was confiscated off each of those 70 people was chemically the same, with the same percentages of cuts etc, & actually matched a large quantity of coke that was confiscated by that snitch when he worked as a deputy in another county across the state. So it turned out he kept some of the coke & was loading up selected people with it so the govt could forfeture their property, as he was getting a official commision of 17% on the value of all forfeitures made because of his evidence (I spose that's what they call collateral damage in the drug war)..
I think then Laden should be tried for damaging our ship and US Embassy. He might not have been on US soil but he did do damage to them. His sole purpose of setting the bomb across the road was to blow up the embassy. Now it might not have been on US soil but it did damage property that was on US soil. It's like throwing a rock through someones windows but they can't make you replace that window because you are in the street and not on their property. I find your thinking on this ridiculous. Also when Japan attacked us Pearl Harbor were we wrong to attack back because technically they wasn't on US soil they was in the air. I think not. And I find it awful funny how you have such a strong opinon on this even though you have nothing to do with the US at all. And also with the Columbia situation. We are giving thim a whole lot of money to turn their country around. If they don't like what we want them to do they didn't have to take the money. They knew all of this before they accepted it. I say let the US run the government how the US sees fit.
Dabanshee, czar, tagej;
As was stated previously, ships, planes and embassy grounds belonging to the US are US territory. Crimes committed on them, or against them, are crimes committed in the US, against the US, to it's people and under its laws.
Bitch all you want, it changes nothing.
As for the US being the world's Alpha male, it's a fact of Nature that someone usually is top dog and everyone else it's b1tch. Stop whining and turn around.
As was stated previously, ships, planes and embassy grounds belonging to the US are US territory. Crimes committed on them, or against them, are crimes committed in the US, against the US, to it's people and under its laws.
Bitch all you want, it changes nothing.
As for the US being the world's Alpha male, it's a fact of Nature that someone usually is top dog and everyone else it's b1tch. Stop whining and turn around.
Actually as far as foreign bases are concerned things arn't as black n white as I make out, because often (for security & the desire for hard currency) nations often sign bilateral treaties with big powers such as the US, where they sign over jurisdiction over the base to the foreign power, because they want the base in their country.
BTW Tagej, its not just the US. China has arrested expatriots who return to China on a holiday, for running anti China websites & whatnot out of their homes in the US or Canada, etc.
Or look at France, sueing Yahoo, because it expects Yahooo's American websites/servers to comply with French law, even though Yahoo has gone out of its way to make sure 'Yahoo France' complys with French law.
BTW Tagej, its not just the US. China has arrested expatriots who return to China on a holiday, for running anti China websites & whatnot out of their homes in the US or Canada, etc.
Or look at France, sueing Yahoo, because it expects Yahooo's American websites/servers to comply with French law, even though Yahoo has gone out of its way to make sure 'Yahoo France' complys with French law.
And now the US is throwing sh!tfits because Russia arrested that Pope guy for trying to steal it's torpedo technology. If it was a Russian arrested in the US, there is no way Clinton would be pardoning him.
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Yeah, I say we send over a couple of missles and blow up the capital of your country, then say it isn't our fault. Hell, we'll even put our ship in the middle of the Atlantic or Pacific, just to say we weren't even on our land, so it would have nothing to do with us whatsoever.
And you talk about Laden breaking the US Laws. True, our law does not apply to him, but, as you put it that the US 'wants' Laden, we want him not to prosecute him, but to get justice for what he has done. It's not a lawful thing, its a moral and respect kinda thing.
And you talk about Laden breaking the US Laws. True, our law does not apply to him, but, as you put it that the US 'wants' Laden, we want him not to prosecute him, but to get justice for what he has done. It's not a lawful thing, its a moral and respect kinda thing.
This guy thinks it is his job in life to hurt american interests ( translate that to citizens) any way he can. He tried to topple the World Trade Center! You may feel all warm and gushy about him, but he hates you with a passion. I vote him most likely to nuke an american city.
He is not standing outside the White House with a protest sign, he is blowing up people!
By the way, it is my belief that America has wielded its power more justly and humanely than almost any other nature with similar advantages in the past. Look at:
1. Hitler.
2. Stalin
3. The British Empire ( ask the Irish or 1776).
4. Napoleon
5. Genghis Kahn
6. Rome
Yes, we have made mistakes ( Viet Nam, bannana republics) but in general I believe we have done pretty well. America can either accept the status quo or try to change the world for the better. I think the world is far, far better for our actions then it would be without it.
Don't forget, if Bin Laden has his way ( any way he can), Women will be wearing veils and authors will be executed for impugning Allah. See Iran for a good reference point.
He is not standing outside the White House with a protest sign, he is blowing up people!
By the way, it is my belief that America has wielded its power more justly and humanely than almost any other nature with similar advantages in the past. Look at:
1. Hitler.
2. Stalin
3. The British Empire ( ask the Irish or 1776).
4. Napoleon
5. Genghis Kahn
6. Rome
Yes, we have made mistakes ( Viet Nam, bannana republics) but in general I believe we have done pretty well. America can either accept the status quo or try to change the world for the better. I think the world is far, far better for our actions then it would be without it.
Don't forget, if Bin Laden has his way ( any way he can), Women will be wearing veils and authors will be executed for impugning Allah. See Iran for a good reference point.
Well, if one were an atheist and believed in evolution, then survival of the fittest comes into play. If we can get him (we are powerful) then it's ok.
BTW, DABANSHEE, watch what you say.... you could be NEXT!
Joe
BTW, DABANSHEE, watch what you say.... you could be NEXT!
Joe
Well if it wasnt for the US Bin Laden wouldn't be the threat he is today. Afterall it was Bush's CIA cronies under Reagan that brought him to the US, trained him & supplied him in the 1st place.
They never thought he would turn arround & fight his backers once the Russians left Afghanastan.
Anyway all he wants is no US military forces on the Arab penisula (that is his stated objective), so if those troops werent there he wouldnt be attacking them.
Really all those troops are doing is protecting some Arab dictators (the Saudi king & the Kuwait Emir) from another Arab dictator, Saddam Husein. Does it really make any difference to the US which dictator has control of the oil fields?
They never thought he would turn arround & fight his backers once the Russians left Afghanastan.
Anyway all he wants is no US military forces on the Arab penisula (that is his stated objective), so if those troops werent there he wouldnt be attacking them.
Really all those troops are doing is protecting some Arab dictators (the Saudi king & the Kuwait Emir) from another Arab dictator, Saddam Husein. Does it really make any difference to the US which dictator has control of the oil fields?
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