Rant - Adelphia can kiss my #$$, deserves to disappear

dmcowen674

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Yesterday got our Adelphia cable bill and every 6 months they have been raising the rates and now has gone over $50 for ordinary TV.

So now we are forced to get Satellite (Live to far to use an Antenna)

So for real folks, which is better Dish or DirectTV? I'm leaning towards DirectTV (The DSL thing was a completely separate political issue).



Bankrupt Adelphia Posts Wider Loss
Thu Dec 26, 3:50 PM ET

WASHINGTON - Bankrupt cable operator Adelphia Communications Corp. posted a wider net loss of $111.5 million, or 44 cents a share, for November, compared with a loss of $104.6 million, or 42 cents a share, for October, according to a monthly operating report.

Revenue fell slightly to $281.3 million in November from $282.2 million in October, said the report, which was filed late Tuesday with the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Manhattan.

Adelphia has been operating under Chapter 11 protection since June. The company filed for bankruptcy amid a widening federal criminal investigation into charges of fraud and self-dealing by senior management.

The investigation led to indictments in September of company founder John Rigas, two of his sons and two other executives. One of the executives, James R. Brown, former vice president of finance, has pleaded guilty to conspiracy, securities fraud and bank fraud and agreed to testify against the others, who have pleaded not guilty.

Adelphia Communications said in the November operating report that cash and cash equivalents at Nov. 30 were $426.7 million, down from $471.2 million at the beginning of the month.


Included in the November operating results was an $86.2 million expense for other-than-temporary impairment of investments and other assets.

The company said it had $300 million available under its $1.5 billion debtor-in-possession loan facility on Nov. 30, with $1 billion of availability subject to the company satisfying certain conditions.

Adelphia said that during the month it recorded an additional asset impairment reserve of $51.1 million in Devon Mobile Communications LP, in which Adelphia is a 49.9 percent limited partner. In late May, Adelphia notified the general partner of Devon that it would likely end some discretionary operational funding.

Devon, which through its units holds licenses to operate regional wireless telephone businesses in several states, filed for Chapter 11 in August.

Adelphia also recognized a $31.4 million impairment in November for loans and advances it had made to Niagara Frontier Hockey LP, a limited partnership owned by members of the Rigas family or entities they control. Niagara Frontier owns the Buffalo Sabres hockey team, which has reportedly been put up for sale and is being managed by the National Hockey League.

Adelphia reported operating income of $7.1 million during November, compared with a $64 million loss from operations in October. Net cash provided by operating activities in November was $18.6 million.

Also in November, Adelphia racked up $32.6 million in interest expenses.

As reported, the company's new independent accountant, PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP, hasn't completed audits of the company's financial statements for 2001 or re-audits for 1999 and 2000. Adelphia has said it expects to restate its 1999 and 2000 financial statements and its interim financial statements for 2001.




 

bmacd

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TimeWarner just raised their rates too. I *WISH* they'd get MUCH music, then i wouldn't have a problem.

-=bmacd=-
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: bmacd
TimeWarner just raised their rates too. I *WISH* they'd get MUCH music, then i wouldn't have a problem.

-=bmacd=-

It's really crazy. A hard wired cable is a superior medium to a signal coming from 22 miles overhead but they are forcing us to abandon the cable. Corporate America better wake up and get it's act together in 2003 or things will only get worse. Idiots.
 

MrBond

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I like dishnetwork. It's all personal preference though. Dishnetwork gave me a year at $9/mo, which was a killer deal. I stayed on at the top 100 package level.

I think if I was going to do it again, I'd look into DirectTV (now that there will be no merger it seems) and a DirectTivo box. Dishnetwork has the DishPVR, but it's not the Tivo interface, which I like a lot. Of course, I have a tivo too now, so Dishnetwork is fine for me.
 

Praetor

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There was a brief discussion of the pros and cons of satellite here (non-subscriber friendly link).

And here are my personal views on the matter...

It's been said time and again, compare the two, but don't just look at the number of channels. Quantity does not mean Quality.

Satellite:
* Cheaper
* More channels
* Possibly clearer picture (depends on which system you're comparing)
* Possibly better sound (again, depending on which system you're in, if you have a HT setup, channel)
* Better sports packaging (NFL Sunday Ticket through ~2004/5, then they go open)
* Better international programming
* Video on Demand is closer to a reality
* Bundled PVR's in some instances
* Can be a bit finicky when setting up
* Practically unlimited service area
- The equipment is yours, generally. Yes, they do practically (some cases, literally) give it away, but as far as I know, if something goes wrong, you have to buy a new box yourself if needed.
- No local channels (depends on where you are, and you can argue to get the national feed or another city's feed for more $$)
- Some issues with weather (cloudy, stormy, etc. Stories differ here, I've heard some say never a problem, some have problems with just one cloud in the sky)
- Limited accessiblity (each TV must have a box, up to 4?)
- Must sign contract to get service

Cable:
* Local channels
* Bundled content (If you get Digital cable with their internet service, you get discounts, etc)
* Usually a clear picture (depending on the system, location, wiring. Same as satellite)
* Better customer service (I'm biased in this respect, see below. :p )
* Practically unlimited number of outlets (various systems may/may not charge per outlet in service, not mine)
* No weather issues
* No issues with converter boxes (replacements, etc)
* Can be a bit finicky when setting up
- Limited serviceable area
- More expensive
- Limited channel content
- General dislike of PVRs

I work for Cox Communications as a field tech, so I'm a little bit biased in favour of my company. :p But only an idiot will claim that their company is perfect, IMO. And I happen to love the DirecTV commercial where the cable guy gets a satellite. :)

Cable will always be more expensive because of the number of people we have out in the field, we have to maintain a larger physical network, and the fact that we still own the set-top boxes that we hand out for digital cable. The channel issue is largely due to legacy support. We can't just do a complete switch to digital (as I would like) to gain all the possible channels that satellite offers because we would lose too many customers who don't want to pay the extra $3-10/mo for a box rental, just to get basic cable.

As for the service issue I mentioned, I personally do my best to make sure whatever customer I'm working for is completely satisfied with their service. I take pride in my work. Other techs don't. <shrug>

And I've recommended satellite to some people without hesitation. Especially sports fans or latinos. In the end, it's a decision only you can make. HTH
 

nord1899

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I had Adelphia when I was at Virginia Tech not too long ago. Hated that company (oh yeah, two way cable modems will be out next fall, each and every year I was there).

I have Dish Network with their TiVo knock-off. DirecTV I think actually uses a TiVo unit, just rebranded.

Personally, I think both do the job just fine. I have heard some people claim that DirecTV has a little bit better quality. I wouldn't know as I only have one.

Find the one with the pricing and packaging that you like. And just get that one.
 

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Yesterday got our Adelphia cable bill and every 6 months they have been raising the rates and now has gone over $50 for ordinary TV.

So now we are forced to get Satellite (Live to far to use an Antenna)

So for real folks, which is better Dish or DirectTV? I'm leaning towards DirectTV (The DSL thing was a completely separate political issue).

So how else do you expect them to crawl out of bankruptcy? Cut costs? Yeah right. :D
 

dmcowen674

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Nice post Tom, thank you. Wish there was cable competition, that would solve this problem with Adelphia.

Dish wants $6.99 extra per month for the local channels. Seeing what the final cost per month would be compared to the now over $50 on Adelphia.

I may just get a friend's local TV signal down near the city off the antenna, put in an ATI card in her Computer, digitize it and send it upstream to me in the background.
 

Praetor

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Thanks. It is getting pretty crazy what cable companies are charging for just basic services. Since I work for the cable company, I get free service and tend to forget how much it really costs sometimes. :p

There's an industry magazine that one of our VP's was passing around that showed the average costs for each channel, and it was pretty amazing. I'll have to ask around to see if I can find their website, IIRC he said that if we wanted to read the article in depth it was on the magazine's site. I only briefly looked through the chart but with all of the channels priced individually, the costs were right around the $50-60 mark. But keep in mind that those channels were priced individually and didn't list the discounts that the CableCo's get for buying them in packages (for example, buying fX, Fox Sports and Fox News together rather than just getting one of the three) and other discounts for not putting some of their channels on the digital lineup. (Since analog cable is still the nom de guer in most households)

Competition would be nice, but in some cases the CableCo's signed exclusive contracts with the cities that they entered. "We start up service here if you guarantee that we'll be the sole provider of service for the next 10-15 years so we can recoup the money we're investing in your market." The biggest competitor to CableCo's is indeed satellite. IMO, they're helping keep prices down. Without them, you might've seen your rates skyrocket a few years back.

Just my two cents as a lowly cable guy and of course, just my own personal views. :p
 

Night201

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Nice post Tom, thank you. Wish there was cable competition, that would solve this problem with Adelphia. Dish wants $6.99 extra per month for the local channels. Seeing what the final cost per month would be compared to the now over $50 on Adelphia. I may just get a friend's local TV signal down near the city off the antenna, put in an ATI card in her Computer, digitize it and send it upstream to me in the background.

And then he woke up...
 

rudder

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as a new customer just see which company offers a better deal. You can probably swing the $9/month for new users. I've had both dish and directv. Both have pretty mych the same lineup of channels although there are a few small differences. I use directv now and am happy with the basic channel lineup, although I do not get the trinity broadcast network. :( (j/k). As far as quality and service go, they are pretty much identical. I did however notice that with directv I lose the signal a lot less than with the dish network. I am using the same dish for both, but I had to realign the dish when I switched so maybe I just happended upon lining the thing up better and getting a stronger signal.
 

Macro2

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Since Adelphia's major owners gave themselves huge loans and basically bankrupted the company, they need you to pay more to make up for it. JMHO
EOM
 

NutBucket

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The biggest negative w/ Directv/Dish is adding additional tvs. Directv natively supports two receivers. If you want to add more you need a multiswitch. They make those up to 12 or 16 outputs. Then you have to have receivers and each of those is an extra $5 a month. It adds up quick. Cable is good cause you can always split the feed w/o additional boxes and at least get basic programming on extra tvs.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Night201
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Nice post Tom, thank you. Wish there was cable competition, that would solve this problem with Adelphia. Dish wants $6.99 extra per month for the local channels. Seeing what the final cost per month would be compared to the now over $50 on Adelphia. I may just get a friend's local TV signal down near the city off the antenna, put in an ATI card in her Computer, digitize it and send it upstream to me in the background.

And then he woke up...

Don't laugh Matt, we fought for 2 years to get DSL up here, just as we were going to start own ISP service we were told we would be live in 3 months. 3 Months to the day we got DSL.

It's not out of the possibility to take the free signal out of the air close to Atlanta, bundle the signals and send up this way. TBS did it 20 years ago and is now called TBS Super Station, CNN and AOL Time Warner.


 

Platypus

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Originally posted by: bmacd
TimeWarner just raised their rates too. I *WISH* they'd get MUCH music, then i wouldn't have a problem.

-=bmacd=-

they have it, but you have to pay for it.
 

cavdraco

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Ive had both and i like dish over direct tv but that may just be me
you should look at the programing both offer anddecide which has the chanels you really want
I have the top 150 now

Cav
 

nord1899

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Originally posted by: NutBucket
The biggest negative w/ Directv/Dish is adding additional tvs. Directv natively supports two receivers. If you want to add more you need a multiswitch. They make those up to 12 or 16 outputs. Then you have to have receivers and each of those is an extra $5 a month. It adds up quick. Cable is good cause you can always split the feed w/o additional boxes and at least get basic programming on extra tvs.

Of course, with Digital Cable, that argument doesn't work very well as you need the box to decode the digital signal.
 

NutBucket

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Originally posted by: nord1899
Originally posted by: NutBucket
The biggest negative w/ Directv/Dish is adding additional tvs. Directv natively supports two receivers. If you want to add more you need a multiswitch. They make those up to 12 or 16 outputs. Then you have to have receivers and each of those is an extra $5 a month. It adds up quick. Cable is good cause you can always split the feed w/o additional boxes and at least get basic programming on extra tvs.

Of course, with Digital Cable, that argument doesn't work very well as you need the box to decode the digital signal.

I'm not arguing against DTV. I have it and love it. So then there's no real equipment advantage to having Digital Cable so that's even more reason to go with DirecTV:)