random lock ups with seti

Shimmishim

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It seems now that my computer freezes every time that seti transmits my completed WU

anyone know why this would happen?

this has been a recent phenomenon...

the only hardware i've recently added is a leadtek tv/fm tuner card deluxe...

the card works fine and everything.... hmm....

anyone have any ideas?
 

amcdonald

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Maybe its aliens :D

Look at the event viewer
In 2000 or XP - right click on my computer and click manage, goto event viewer.
Anything seti related?
 

Shimmishim

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This is what it says:

The description for Event ID ( 1 ) in Source ( True Vector Engine ) cannot be found. The local computer may not have the necessary registry information or message DLL files to display messages from a remote computer. The following information is part of the event: .

and i see that this is something that has happened over and over again...

any ideas?
 

amcdonald

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The description for Event ID ( 1 ) in Source ( True Vector Engine ) cannot be found. The local computer may not have the necessary registry information or message DLL files to display messages from a remote computer. The following information is part of the event:
If you stick part of that string into google it returns a lot of other forum threads with a similair problem. Example
It would appear to be related to Zone Alarm, as many of the threads come to this conclusion.
Most of them end with "try reinstalling ZA", so the first thing I would do is try that.
 

Wiz

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Knowing how you like to get every last ounce of performance out of your systems...

(Shimmishim can be heard in the background... "who, little 'ole me???"

remember seti is a very good way to find a weakness in a system since it stresses your cpu & memory 24/7
Maybe there is something going on that is causing a build up of faults.

Here's my opinion. Remember the story problem math might not be all that accurate, I haven't had enough coffee yet to guarantee accuracy ;)

For day to day seti crunching I am currently running my 1700+ @ 175 x 12 with 2-2-2-6 timings.
I get WU's done in the range between 2:06 - 2:35 this way and things are not too stressed out (perfectly stable all the time).
I could squeeze more performance out of this box, but at what cost? What is getting 5 - 10 minutes less per WU worth?
How much down time makes up for that 5 - 10 minutes per WU?

Finding your machine locked up for 2 hours and didn't produce equals ten minutes less per WU on 12 units.
Another way of saying it:
It takes 12 WU's at 2 hrs per WU to make up for one 2 hour period of inactivity on a machine that averages 2 hrs per WU.
Relaxed a little bit = no down time = at least as many WU's done and less stress for the machine and the owner.
all IMHO of course :D

oh, and all that being said - awesome OC dood!!! :D:D:D
 

Smoke

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WIZ is right on ... as usual. :p :)

You are overclocked just ever so little. Hate to tell you but the only way around this is to "back off" just a little tiny bit. ;) :p :)
 

amcdonald

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Copied from HERE

Event ID: 1
Source True Vector Service
Type Error
Description The description for Event ID ( 1 ) in Source ( True Vector Service ) cannot be found. The local computer may not have the necessary registry information or message DLL files to display messages from a remote computer. The following information is part of the event: . Data:
Comments W. Crouse
The True Vector Service is a component of Zone Labs ZoneAlarm software firewall. Installing and uninstalling Zone Alarm has caused me problems with this service. It runs from Local Machine\System\CurrentControlSet\Services, and begins with 'V'. There are two such entries. In my case, the service was running and silently blocking my dns resolution even though it had been uninstalled and did not appear either in Windows Services or as a running program. In other cases, the machine tries to start the service, but cannot locate it any longer. See ZoneLabs support files for information on the True Vector Service.

C. Flynn
Database file <path>\Internet Logs\IAMDB.RDB was improperly shut down. Restoring backup rules database: <path>\Internet Logs\BACKUP.RDB
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9. How do I refresh my TrueVector database files?

If you see a change in your ZoneAlarm settings (for example your Security settings keep falling to "Low," even though you keep setting them to "High"), this may indicate an issue with your TrueVector service. ZoneAlarm is dependent on its TrueVector service to function properly. You may need to refresh the files associated with this service, especially after a networking change, OS change, or ZoneAlarm update. This also resets the database for lost or forgotten passwords.

If the panel is displaying TrueVector driver as loaded and ZoneAlarm is still not functioning properly, it is possible that some files have become corrupt. To repair this problem, please follow these steps. Please note that this will remove your program permission settings (so you may want to make note of them), but re-establishing them is a simple process; you will be prompted again for program access for all the applications that you use to access the local network or Internet.

If any of the steps below does not apply to you, or you are unable to perform the function listed, please continue to the next step:

- Step 1. Open the ZoneAlarm program, go to Configure panel, and make sure the "Load At Startup" box is UNCHECKED.
- Step 2. Right-click on your taskbar, select "Toolbars," and make sure that the ZoneAlarm deskband is UNCHECKED as well (if it is checked, click on it to uncheck it).
- Step 3. Reboot. You should now have no ZoneAlarm processes running on your system.
- Step 4. Open the Internet Logs directory (in 95/98/ME this will be "c:\windows\internet logs", in NT and 2000 it will be c:\winnt\internet logs, in Windows XP it could be either of these folders). If you need to keep a copy of old alerts, copy the ZAlog.txt file to another location first - then delete ALL files in this folder.
- Step 5. Make sure you have emptied your Recycle Bin, then reboot your system.
- Step 6. You will need to start ZoneAlarm manually. (Click "Start," "Programs," "Zone Labs," "ZoneAlarm"). ZoneAlarm will start up again with a fresh database. Each program should ask for access again if the files were properly deleted.
- Step 7. Be sure to RECHECK anything you unchecked earlier.

If you are unable to delete these files, or are unable to empty the Recycle Bin, try removing the items mentioned above AFTER doing the following:

If you are running Windows 95, 98, Me, or 2000, reboot your system into either Safe Mode or to a Command Prompt. The method is determined by your OS, but normally either pressing F8 at the beep, or holding the CTRL key during bootup will work. For more information on rebooting in Safe Mode, click "Start," then "Help." Click the Search tab (On Windows 95 systems, this will be the Find tab), and type in "Safe Mode." Double-click "Start Windows in Safe Mode" for the instructions.

If you are running Windows NT and cannot delete these files, you may need to restart your machine from an NTFS boot disk. The Q119467 article explains how to create a bootable disk for an NTFS or FAT partition.

Make sure that you empty your Recycle Bin before rebooting back into normal mode.
Links www.zonelabs.com, Q119467
 

amcdonald

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Wiz, I think you should take into account the long-term advantage of a stable OC.
I'm an SOB guy, so I usually deal in Cems/sec. So excuse my understanding of the seti WU.
Lets use my hypothetical buddy Happy in an example.
So Happy usually produces WU at 2:10, but after a day's worth of tinkering he slightly improves his OC, and shaves off an average 5min per WU. Happy lost 39 (for easy calculations) hours of operating time, meaning he "lost" 18 WUs.
Now, it will only take 216 hours to "break even" on his lost time. 9 days. And for every 9 days afterward he 'gains' an extra 39 hours of work.

Alos, keep in mind that this is most likely a genuine operating error, and not a result of hise massive OC.
 

Wiz

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in my own humble experience I have found that there are subsequent hours lost on other days

I'm getting real close to my 4 year seti anniversary, I wish I had those accumulated hours back when I was tinkering and pushing too hard.

Maybe his problem isn't his OC. Maybe it's an OS error or something else. I hope so.

My experience says that you can only push a system so far, any farther and it goes downhill.
For me that's 175 fsb @ 12x on this particular system. Any farther and it becomes a little bit unstable. A lot farther and it starts spitting out WU's in 0 to 10 seconds each, and that's just bad. (really messed up overclock)

So it's all about finding a balance between flat out horsepower and stability.
 

Shimmishim

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here's the deal Wiz and Smokeball...

this machine has been running seti@home at this speed and even higher speeds before...

I even backed down the timing of my ram to 2-3-3-6 from 2-2-2-6

i left and came back and saw that I had blue screened again and when i start up seti@home, its at 0% meaning it always crashes after it transmits...

to test my theory, i will turn off auto transmit to see if my computer crashes...

if it doesn't... then i'll know that it has to be an issue with seti or with seti and the new tv tuner card i installed....

 

Smoke

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I'm definitely no computer guru but I have had a lot of experience running SETI. "Something" extra happens during the TRANSMIT/RECEIVE cycle. I can only conceive that whatever that "something" is puts a little more load on the system ... and that little extra load can be the straw that breaks the camels back when you are at your max OC.
 

Wiz

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I have a Leadtek Winfast Deluxe TV2000XP in mine.

I think you are experiencing several factors together.

My TV tuner wigs out above 175 fsb. Why? who can tell.
It works fine except the audio cuts out randomly.
The rest of the audio system works great when this happens, just the tv audio cuts out.

When seti is done / just getting done / transmitting results is a tricky time, I have seen much instability in PC's just at that moment even though there is no problem at any other time. Many who have been doing it a long time on a variety of machines have mentioned the same thing over the past 4 years.

So, what's to be done?

If setting to not auto transmit fixes this then you could transmit a bunch of WU's at some later time.

If not, then what? I wish I had a good answer.
For me it means I run at 175fsb instead of 180+ fsb. My machine is 100% stable, and that's important because I also work on this computer.
 

Shimmishim

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ahh, interesting...

well i tried moving it one pci slot...

so seti didn't crash my system!!! :)

but something else caused it to freeze...

ever since i've installed this leadtek tv tuner card, my system has been very unstable...

i haven't had any lock ups until i installed this tuner card...

well i'll try backing down my speed to 2.3 ghz and see if it's stable with no lock ups.... if taht's the case then i may have just pushed my cpu too far... :)

 

Shimmishim

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ahh read the bsod this time

there's something going on with the TDI.sys file...

microsoft says:

SYMPTOMS
When a client is configured with two gateways and one of the gateways is not working, existing Transmission Control Protocol/Internet Protocol (TCP/IP) connectivity may break if the client receives a reset from a remote server. The reset may occur when the client tries to connect to a remote server port that is not listening.

CAUSE
This problem occurs because of the way that TCP processes a reset during connection establishment. SYN is retried three times, even if RST is received. On the second retry, TCP tries to check for an alternate route. If the number of connections that are not working is greater than 25 percent of the connections, TCP tries to switch all of the connections to a different route. Because the second gateway is not working, existing connections are broken.

anyone know what this means? :)
 

Smoke

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Sounds like "something" to me. ;) :D Ha Ha LOL
 

Shimmishim

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how about reformatting and reinstalling windows again?

oh yeah.. i just did taht!!! hehehe...

let's see if that fixes the problem :)

i got a new cpu so i gotta make sure it's stable before i start running seti or else i'll send garbled data like i did that one day (oops)... :)

 

Shimmishim

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Yay!

no more crashing when seti sends :)

i think it's not my cpu... i think it was windows (stupid windows)

everything is good again...

crunching along again at 11.5 x 210 :)

 

Shimmishim

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woo hoo

seti still going strong :) no crashing after sending... seriously think it was an O/S issue more so than a stability with my cpu

yay!!!

crunch crunch crunch!!!

almost at 1000!!!