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random baseball and WS thoughts, about beckett and boone.

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Lifer

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beckett should stfu. he's one cocky mofo with a big mouth.
Asked what the feeling of the Marlins was being down two games to one, Beckett spit back, "I don't give a [bleep]. We lost two here to the Cubs and we came back and beat them."
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this ain't the cubs u n00b. this is the yankees.


and aaron boone sucks, both offensively and defensively. he can't field for his life... misplaying simple ground balls for errors
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i don't care about his home runs. he hasn't produced in any other way.
i'll take robin ventura over him any day.
 
Aaron (error) Boone?

He's looked horrid. Poor guy can't handle the NY pressure I guess.

And it's not Beckett's fault they lost really. It was a good duel, he gave up 1 run himself and had the bullpen score him the other one. The Marlins relievers dropped the ball big time yesterday.
 
Originally posted by: Lifer
beckett should stfu. he's one cocky mofo with a big mouth.
Asked what the feeling of the Marlins was being down two games to one, Beckett spit back, "I don't give a [bleep]. We lost two here to the Cubs and we came back and beat them."
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this ain't the cubs u n00b. this is the yankees.
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While I would have prefered that he omitted the [bleep] what did you expect him to say? "Yep, we have no chance against the Yankees. We'll just hand them the title now" ?

What he said is pretty standard. I think you're the cocky mofo. "this ain't the cubs u n00b. this is the yankees."
 
Hey lifer, I'm thinking Josh Beckett knows more about baseball than you do.....

Yankees haven't won squat for the last two years, so being down to them 2-1 is no different than being down to the Cubs 2-1
 
first of all, i guess none of you have been following the antics of beckett up to this WS. while he's good, he's got a big mouth.

secondly, you're nuts if you're going to compare the cubs to the yanks, who have the best balance of pitching and offense.
 
I'll repeat, the Yankees haven't won anything in the past two seasons, and they aren't heads and shoulders above the rest of baseball, like you apparently think they are, in any category other than payroll.

Best balance of offense and pitching? What about the fact that their defense is borderline awful?

What do you want Beckett to say? "I guess we should just quit"? Would that make you feel better about him?

This will be an interesting off-season for the Yankees - Clemens gone, Wells likely to retire, Petitte a free agent, Weaver a bust......I'll bet money that Bartolo Colon ends up in NY, assuming they outbid Boston for him...and I would also look for Vlad Guerrero to end up in NY....Contreras has good stuff, he could have a nice season as a starter if he can stay healthy all year...no pitching help in the minors at all for the Yanks, Claussen was their last one for a while...

Also, look for Zimmer and Torre to retire.....Bobby V back in NY at the helm of the Yanks? It could happen! Lou Pinella is another possibility...
 
I would say that the cubs, boston, san fran, braves, and seattle all have a better balance of pitching and batting then either the marlins or the yankees, and where did that get them?

Neither NeoV nor I have said that the marlins will beat the yankees, but your blind support is typical of frontrunners.

Oh well, I give up, time to give the Yankees their 27th world series.
 
Originally posted by: NeoV
I'll repeat, the Yankees haven't won anything in the past two seasons, and they aren't heads and shoulders above the rest of baseball, like you apparently think they are, in any category other than payroll.

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Maybe not in the American league but they are head and shoulders better than the Marlins or Cubs, especially with their Bullpen and their starting Pitching. The Closest team to them in the last 3 years in the National league was the Diamondbacks who beat them in the 2001 WS.
 
Originally posted by: sciencewhiz
I would say that the cubs, boston, san fran, braves, and seattle all have a better balance of pitching and batting then either the marlins or the yankees, and where did that get them?

Neither NeoV nor I have said that the marlins will beat the yankees, but your blind support is typical of frontrunners.

Oh well, I give up, time to give the Yankees their 27th world series.
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i don't see how you can say the braves have better balance than the yankees? braves Offense was second ONLY to the red sox this season and a lot of that could be attributed to the DH. Braves pitching was probably close to that of the red sox. no one dominant starter like the red sox but 3rd and 4th starters for the braves are better than red sox 3 and 4.

but compared to the yankees? braves have WAYY better hitting but NO WHERE near the pitching of the yankees. i'd take the yankees starting 5 over the braves ANY day, altho hampton was a pleasant surprise this year.
 
how about we stay away from opinions and look at some stats?

ERA leaders 2003:

Dodgers - 3.16
A's - 3.63
Giants - 3.73
Mariners - 3.76
Cubs - 3.83
D'Backs - 3.84
Astros - 3.86
Expos - 4.01
Yankees - 4.02
Marlins 4.04
Phillies - 4.04
Braves - 4.10
White Sox - 4.17
Indians - 4.21 - hope for the young tribe!

So you can't say the Yankees pitching is any better than the teams above them, right? Sure, there is a difference between AL and NL with the DH, but still, the A's and Seattle had a lower ERA than the Yank's did...I'll take Prior or Wood over any of the Yank's pitchers, and the Marlins beat them in games 6 and 7 of the NL championship series.

The most impressive stat for the Yank's pitching this year is that they gave up the fewest walks among all pitching staffs in baseball.

I'm not saying the Yanks aren't good, just that they aren't some invicible force this year...

 
Wells hasn't made any plans on retiring.

Though there is no doubt Guerrero will be suiting up in RF.

Lou Pinella would NEVER go to the Yankees. He wants to be in control of a team, and he couldn't and wouldn't deal with a Steinbrenner
Petitie will be a Yankee again, Steinnbrenner wouldn't have it any other way. Even if Andy wants to go home to Texas.
I see both Wells and Petitie back in NY, Roger will retire, and they will mostlikely go after one starter the Sox want. Not sure if it will be
Colon though, but if the Sox want Colon in the off season, the Yanks will go after him.

We aren't talking about a good Yankee bullpen are we, after Rivera and an inning out of Contreras, they are more suspect than the Sox bullpen.
While I do believe pitching wise they are better than the Marlins, especially starters, offensive is a coin flip, with a plus towards the Yankees, who have better discipline.
Allowing a quicker route to the bullpen. But both teams can hit. Defensively the Marlins are better, especially when in Florida.
 
I am not a Yankee fan by any stretch, but when it comes to a Starting Staff
I would rather have the Yankees over the Cubs, not to say the Cubs don't have a better one, two punch,
but the Yankees have 4 guys that could be number one starters on teams. And when it comes to
good pitching, if the Cubs don't get wins out of there 1-2 punch, then they are in trouble. Where the
Yankees 3-4 is going to beat most teams in the league.
 
Originally posted by: Lifer
beckett should stfu. he's one cocky mofo with a big mouth.
Asked what the feeling of the Marlins was being down two games to one, Beckett spit back, "I don't give a [bleep]. We lost two here to the Cubs and we came back and beat them."
this ain't the cubs u n00b. this is the yankees.
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You left a sentence out in your post: "this ain't the cubs u n00b. this is the yankees. we only dream about having starting pitching as good as the cubs."

Josh Beckett > any Yankee starter + (any AL starter - Pedro) = allowed to say whatever he wants for "n00bs" like u to get mad at.

Continue on with your jumping. (on the 'wagon)
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Originally posted by: Ynog
I am not a Yankee fan by any stretch, but when it comes to a Starting Staff
I would rather have the Yankees over the Cubs, not to say the Cubs don't have a better one, two punch,
but the Yankees have 4 guys that could be number one starters on teams. And when it comes to
good pitching, if the Cubs don't get wins out of there 1-2 punch, then they are in trouble. Where the
Yankees 3-4 is going to beat most teams in the league.
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I'll give you Mussina, he's been phenomenal. Pettite, Wells, Clemens, maybe they'd be #1 on a team with sucky pitching.

 
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: Ynog
I am not a Yankee fan by any stretch, but when it comes to a Starting Staff
I would rather have the Yankees over the Cubs, not to say the Cubs don't have a better one, two punch,
but the Yankees have 4 guys that could be number one starters on teams. And when it comes to
good pitching, if the Cubs don't get wins out of there 1-2 punch, then they are in trouble. Where the
Yankees 3-4 is going to beat most teams in the league.
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I'll give you Mussina, he's been phenomenal. Pettite, Wells, Clemens, maybe they'd be #1 on a team with sucky pitching.
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Its true, Wells and Clemens are old, but I really mean while you might not get a #1 start out of them everytime,
they usually give you a solid outing. And every so often, more often than a normal pitcher they will give you
a gem, that reminds you that they are great pitchers.
Pettite had a good season this year.
 
Originally posted by: Ynog
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: Ynog
I am not a Yankee fan by any stretch, but when it comes to a Starting Staff
I would rather have the Yankees over the Cubs, not to say the Cubs don't have a better one, two punch,
but the Yankees have 4 guys that could be number one starters on teams. And when it comes to
good pitching, if the Cubs don't get wins out of there 1-2 punch, then they are in trouble. Where the
Yankees 3-4 is going to beat most teams in the league.
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I'll give you Mussina, he's been phenomenal. Pettite, Wells, Clemens, maybe they'd be #1 on a team with sucky pitching.
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Its true, Wells and Clemens are old, but I really mean while you might not get a #1 start out of them everytime,
they usually give you a solid outing. And every so often, more often than a normal pitcher they will give you
a gem, that reminds you that they are great pitchers.
Pettite had a good season this year.
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Pettite had a good season THIS YEAR???

Pettite is probably the most underrated pitcher in the AL. look what he's done for them in all three game 2's so far this playoffs. He's been their ACE, stopper, whatever. he's been the man for them this year.

he has ALL the tools.
 
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: Ynog
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: Ynog
I am not a Yankee fan by any stretch, but when it comes to a Starting Staff
I would rather have the Yankees over the Cubs, not to say the Cubs don't have a better one, two punch,
but the Yankees have 4 guys that could be number one starters on teams. And when it comes to
good pitching, if the Cubs don't get wins out of there 1-2 punch, then they are in trouble. Where the
Yankees 3-4 is going to beat most teams in the league.
Click to expand...

I'll give you Mussina, he's been phenomenal. Pettite, Wells, Clemens, maybe they'd be #1 on a team with sucky pitching.
Click to expand...

Its true, Wells and Clemens are old, but I really mean while you might not get a #1 start out of them everytime,
they usually give you a solid outing. And every so often, more often than a normal pitcher they will give you
a gem, that reminds you that they are great pitchers.
Pettite had a good season this year.
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Pettite had a good season THIS YEAR???

Pettite is probably the most underrated pitcher in the AL. look what he's done for them in all three game 2's so far this playoffs. He's been their ACE, stopper, whatever. he's been the man for them this year.

he has ALL the tools.
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He's probably one of the better finesse pitchers in the game, along with Moyer, Zito and Hudson. But don't think for a second he's in a league with guys who consistently hit 93 and up on the radar late into the game, like Prior, Wood, Beckett, Pedro, and Mussina(definitely Clemens/Johnson/Schilling/Nolan in their primes. I don't care who you are, if you're not a power pitcher, you will eventually be shelled if you're having an off day. Power pitchers can have an off day (location wise) but can compensate with their heat. Having "all the tools" means he should have a high K/9 ratio, which he does not.

TOP 10 K/9 This year:
Wood, Prior, Schilling, Pedro, Vazquez, Schmidt, Webb, Loaiza, Mussina, Rocket. Pettite is ranked 14th which isn't shabby, but he's not in a league of at least half of those 10 ten K/9.

 
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: Ynog
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: Ynog
I am not a Yankee fan by any stretch, but when it comes to a Starting Staff
I would rather have the Yankees over the Cubs, not to say the Cubs don't have a better one, two punch,
but the Yankees have 4 guys that could be number one starters on teams. And when it comes to
good pitching, if the Cubs don't get wins out of there 1-2 punch, then they are in trouble. Where the
Yankees 3-4 is going to beat most teams in the league.
Click to expand...

I'll give you Mussina, he's been phenomenal. Pettite, Wells, Clemens, maybe they'd be #1 on a team with sucky pitching.
Click to expand...

Its true, Wells and Clemens are old, but I really mean while you might not get a #1 start out of them everytime,
they usually give you a solid outing. And every so often, more often than a normal pitcher they will give you
a gem, that reminds you that they are great pitchers.
Pettite had a good season this year.
Click to expand...

Pettite had a good season THIS YEAR???

Pettite is probably the most underrated pitcher in the AL. look what he's done for them in all three game 2's so far this playoffs. He's been their ACE, stopper, whatever. he's been the man for them this year.

he has ALL the tools.
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He's probably one of the better finesse pitchers in the game, along with Moyer, Zito and Hudson. But don't think for a second he's in a league with guys who consistently hit 93 and up on the radar late into the game, like Prior, Wood, Beckett, Pedro, and Mussina(definitely Clemens/Johnson/Schilling/Nolan in their primes. I don't care who you are, if you're not a power pitcher, you will eventually be shelled if you're having an off day. Power pitchers can have an off day (location wise) but can compensate with their heat. Having "all the tools" means he should have a high K/9 ratio, which he does not.

TOP 10 K/9 This year:
Wood, Prior, Schilling, Pedro, Vazquez, Schmidt, Webb, Loaiza, Mussina, Rocket. Pettite is ranked 14th which isn't shabby, but he's not in a league of at least half of those 10 ten K/9.
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What Petite does have is stamina, something Pedro doesn't possess.
 
Pettite throws as hard as Pedro does NOW, not in Pedros prime couple years back.

against boston game 2, Pettite was consistently hitting 93 / 94 on the gun (with his fastball) all game long.

 
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Pettite throws as hard as Pedro does NOW, not in Pedros prime couple years back.

against boston game 2, Pettite was consistently hitting 93 / 94 on the gun (with his fastball) all game long.
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Funny how Pedro, even not in his prime, is better than Pettite now who is in his prime. If you judge a pitcher's worth by WHIP, ERA, ERA+, and K/9, then Pettite is not considered a power pitcher. But he's definitely having a good year (as did Zito last year).

 
There is more to pitching than speed of a pitch.

Pedro throws different pitchs with the same motion. So you don't know what pitch is coming. You have to guess.
People commit on his velocity, because he used to be able to just blow the ball by hitters where now, if they wait on the low 90's fastball,
they can hit it.
 
Originally posted by: Ynog
There is more to pitching than speed of a pitch.

Pedro throws different pitchs with the same motion. So you don't know what pitch is coming. You have to guess.
People commit on his velocity, because he used to be able to just blow the ball by hitters where now, if they wait on the low 90's fastball,
they can hit it.
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You make it sound like people can hit him now if they just "wait on the low 90's fastball". How did he lead the AL in ERA, WHIP, Win%, and K/9 this year? How did he come in 2nd in K's by 1 behind Loaiza despite having pitched 40 less innings? Pedro could pitch with a 90mph fastball and still be dominant for years, resorting more to a Jamie Moyer like approach.

 
here we go....don't get Pgold started about his boy Petitte!


K's per 9 innings pitched means you are a strikeout pitcher - which usually means you throw hard, but not always...B.Webb of the D'Backs, in that top 10 list, rarely throws more than 90, but he has sick movement on his pitches....

I hate Pedro, but you can't knock him in any way, other than perhaps his inability to finish games this year...


Bottom line here is that Beckett is a fantastic young pitcher - and the scary part for the NL in late 04, probably more likely 05, is that AJ Burnett will be back, and he is, when healthy, even better than Beckett - but Torborg let him throw WAY too many pitches and he ended up with the TJ surgery...but he will be back.

 
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