Rand Paul makes up his own Board Certification in Opthalmology

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http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20106140307

Rand Paul's ophthalmology certification not recognized by national clearinghouse

I read this in Sunday's paper, surprised Spidey didn't get the chance to post the latest news on his boy. Essentially he was board certified by the actual Opthalmology board, then made up his own board certification organization before the real cert expired. Board certs are in place to show that a Dr is keeping up with advances in medicine and still knows their stuff, and also carried a $1500 recert fee. The real board employs a staff and has a detailed list of the requirements to achieve certification while the Paul board is run out of a UPS store.

At least he learned to keep his mouth shut and refused to answer the question so someone on his staff could write something sensible up for him.

My big issue - why doesn't the hospital verify that the Dr.'s they give privledges to stay certified? What is with the discrepancy between the date the board was started between the Paul campaign(1987) vs the reporter's date(1999)?

Rand Paul's ophthalmology certification not recognized by national clearinghouse

By Joseph Gerth • jgerth@courier-journal.com •
June 14, 2010

U.S. Senate candidate Rand Paul says he is a "board-certified" ophthalmologist -- even though the national clearinghouse for such certifications says he hasn't been for the past
five years.

Rand Paul, who practices in Bowling Green, says he is certified by the National Board of
Ophthalmology, a group that he incorporated in 1999 and that he heads.

But that entity is not recognized by the American Board of Medical Specialties, which works with the American Medical Association to approve such specialty boards.

Lori Boukas, a spokeswoman for the American Board of Medical Specialties, said her
organization considers certifications to be valid only if they are done by the 24 groups that have its approval and that of the AMA.

"He is not board-certified," she said of Paul.

The specialties board recognizes the American Board of Ophthalmology, the nation's main
ophthalmological certification group. Paul had certification from that organization before he let it lapse after he started his National Board of Ophthalmology.

The American Board of Medical Specialties said board certification is important because it
enables "patients to determine whether their physicians were appropriately trained and
knowledgeable in their specialties."

The Courier-Journal began seeking comment from Paul Tuesday. When the newspaper tried to interview him at two Louisville events Saturday, he wouldn't comment.

"I'm not going to go through all that right now," Paul said while at the Great Eastern National Gun Day Show and JAG Military Show, in Louisville.

Asked when he would talk, Paul said: "Uh, you know, never. ... What does this have to do with our election?"

Jesse Benton, his campaign manager, said later Saturday that Paul would only answer questions submitted in writing.


Paul's medical practice in good standing

Boukas of the American Board of Medical Specialties said its 24 member groups, including the widely recognized American Board of Ophthalmology, have stricter standards for board certification than the other groups.

The Kentucky Board of Medical Licensure does not verify doctors' specialty training and instead directs people to the American Board of Medical Specialties to determine if a doctor is board-certified.

The American Academy of Ophthalmology recognizes board certification only by the
American Board of Ophthalmology.

In an interview with The Courier-Journal shortly before the May 18 Republican primary, which he won, Paul said he was certified by both ophthalmological boards.

A spokesman subsequently said that Paul misspoke because the question was unclear and
he acknowledged his certification by the American Board had lapsed.

There is no indication that Paul isn't qualified to practice ophthalmology, which he has done in Bowling Green since moving to Kentucky in 1993.

He is a 1988 graduate of the Duke University School of Medicine and has been licensed to
practice in Kentucky since 1993. The Kentucky Board of Medical Licensure has never sanctioned Paul, according to its website, and he has medical privileges at two Bowling Green hospitals.

A review of court records in Warren County showed that he has been sued for malpractice
there twice. He was cleared after a trial in one case and reached a $50,000 settlement in the other, which involved a patient who alleged he didn't receive proper care.

Rival board formed after disagreement

Along with his wife and father-in-law, Paul founded the National Board of Ophthalmology
because the American Board began requiring physicians certified after 1992 to be recertified every 10 years to make sure they were keeping up with medical trends.

The Paul campaign issued a statement Saturday afternoon, saying: "The National Board of
Ophthalmology is a non-profit group involved with continuing education and board
recertification. It was formed in 1987 by over 200 young ophthalmologists who believed that all ophthalmologists should be recertified. ... NBO began recertifying in 2002. It is a completely volunteer organization that pays no salaries."


According to records with the Kentucky Secretary of State, the organization was first incorporated in Kentucky in 1999. On records in that office, Paul is listed as "owner/president" on some forms and "president" on others.

Asked what requirements the National Board of Ophthalmology has for recertifying doctors,
Paul's wife, Kelley, who is listed on forms as the group's vice president, said: "I'm not involved in that. I'm not officially talking about that today.'"

After incorporating the board in 1999, Paul allowed it to be dissolved in 2000, when he didn't file required paperwork with the Kentucky secretary of state's office.

But he revived it in September 2005, just three months before his certification from the
American Board of Ophthalmology was scheduled to lapse.

Paul said in a May interview that he formed the rival board because he had a problem with the organization treating younger doctors -- those certified after 1992 -- differently from older doctors.

"It annoyed me and a lot of younger ophthalmologists ... that people who were 55
years old didn't have to be recertified and those who were 45 years old did," he said. "So we thought if it was a rule, a good rule, everybody should obey it."

Paul has full hospital privileges

The American Board of Ophthalmology said Paul hasn't been certified since Dec. 31, 2005, when his previous certification expired. The American Board wouldn't say why the certification lapsed.

Paul, through Benton, said that the board is correct and that Paul has been certified only by the National Board of Ophthalmology since 2005.

"What he told me is that he actually has been certified by both groups in the past," Benton
said.

Benton contended that Paul's earlier statement is consistent with the facts.

"I just think it was possibly an unclear question in the passing conversation," Benton said. "I mean there is absolutely no motivation to say anything that isn't 100 percent true."

Board certification isn't required to practice medicine in Kentucky, but most hospitals either
prefer or require that doctors be board-certified. That includes The Medical Center and Greenview Regional Hospital in Bowling Green, where Paul practices.


Mark Marsh, Greenview's chief executive officer, said its medical staff's bylaws require that all doctors be certified or at least eligible for certification and awaiting an opportunity to take the test.

Allen Palmer, a spokesman for the hospital, said that once a doctor proves he is board-certified he or she is not required to maintain that certification.

"Apparently, after the initial review of board certification when a physician comes on board, it is not a continuing requirement for future credentialing," he said in an e-mail.

Doris Thomas, vice president of marketing for The Medical Center, declined to comment on its requirement. But The Medical Center's medical staff bylaws say doctors that specialize in one area of medicine must "provide evidence of appropriate training and eligibility for
certification by an approved board in that specialty or subspecialty or, if not eligible for
certification, possess equivalent qualifications."

The American Board of Ophthalmology requires that doctors take 30 hours of continuing medical education classes each year, review 15 case files and pass a 150-item proctored test. The cost of recertification is about $1,500 every 10 years.

The state of Kentucky requires doctors to obtain 60 hours of continuing medical education over a three-year period -- one-third less than the American Board of Ophthalmology -- to keep their medical license.

Paul has never sought recognition for his National Board of Ophthalmology from the
American Board of Medical Specialties, Boukas said.

The National Board of Ophthalmology doesn't maintain a website; its standards for certifying doctors and charges for certification couldn't be determined.

American Board has 16,000 certified doctors

Beth Ann Slembarski, the administrator of the American Board of Ophthalmology, said her
group has certified more than 29,000 ophthalmologists over the past century and that
there are now about 16,000 practicing ophthalmologists certified by the group.

The American Board operates out of an office building in a Philadelphia suburb and has 11
employees, Slembarski said.

The group's board of directors includes 20 people from around the country, 18 of whom are
ophthalmologists.

In comparison, the address for Paul's group is a UPS Store in Bowling Green.

An Internet search found only seven ophthalmologists other than Paul who say they
are members of or are certified by Paul's group. All say they also are certified by the American Board of Ophthalmology; none returned phone calls to their offices.
 

spidey07

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The CJ has been running constant hit pieces on him. I normally just glaze over their crap. I read it, don't see why they're making a big deal of it. This shows just how awesome he is anyway. It demonstrates that if something is bullcrap, he's going to do it himself. That's the kind of man we need to send to the senate.

"It annoyed me and a lot of younger ophthalmologists ... that people who were 55
years old didn't have to be recertified and those who were 45 years old did," he said. "So we thought if it was a rule, a good rule, everybody should obey it."
 

ayabe

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This stuff is probably more common than people think, can't really get worked up about it.
 

Babbles

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This doesn't really seem like a big deal to me. As many other people have discussed for a long while, the AMA does create many artificial barriers to entry in other situations. Therefore I fail to see what there is to get worked up about how a monopolistic organization recognizes other monopolistic organizations.
 

Turin39789

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This stuff is probably more common than people think, can't really get worked up about it.


It sorta is, but usually in shady ways.

http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/QA/board.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Board_of_Medical_Specialties

When my job was to verify the credentials(including board certifications) for a health plan before we contracted with physicians we paid close attention to what boards certs were listed.


The board certs are there to make sure that Dr. X who got their md 20 years ago follow advancements in medicine so his/her patients have the best care available. Mr Paul was upset because they started to require you to keep it up to date but let the old timers get grandfathered in. I don't know why they made that exception for the old folks, except perhaps they expected them to retire soon, but to decide that you don't like the rules of an industry standard review board and so you go off and create your own and "certify" yourself with little/no transparency on how you maintainted your continuing education is a bit shady.


It isn't something he is required to have to practice, but it is interesting that he felt the need to make up his own board because he didn't think it was fair that he would have to learn new things when older docs didn't have to.

"So we thought if it was a rule, a good rule, everybody should obey it." So I'll just go make my own board so I don't have to obey it.
 

Slew Foot

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You dont need to be board certified to practice medicine. In fact, Im convinced that specialty boards exist only to extract money from younger members. In Anesthesiology, if youre certified after 2000, you have to retake the exam every ten years and do special tests every 5. If youre one of the older members, then youre home free for your career.
 

Lemon law

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I can see some Rand Paul embarrassment and political opponents milking it for what its worth, but if Rand Paul wins the general election, he will not practice his chosen eye doctor profession, so it becomes a somewhat academic question. But if Rand Paul loses fairly big in the general election come November, he may do great harm to the Libertarian cause, and its likely to end his political career because he is damaged goods.
Because people will likely be saying, if Rand can't win in Kentucky, he can't win anywhere.

And then gilt edge acceptable medical certification may be the only way for Rand to earn his living.
 

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This only makes me like him more. I just think it's too bad we can't all get a candidate like him.
 

GarfieldtheCat

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That's just pathetic. Of course, I'm not surprised some of our trolls applaud this behavior, since they live in their own reality.

Kind of similar to getting a diploma by one of those diploma mills. Not cool
 

Fear No Evil

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If being a community organizer qualifies you to be President, I guess I just don't see the problem here.

BTW - I don't support Ron or Rand Paul.
 

Double Trouble

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I certainly don't know all the details, but it certainly smells like these boards are just not happy that he's jilted them and started his own board, so now they are trying to score some points. What makes those boards any better?
 

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http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20106140307

Rand Paul's ophthalmology certification not recognized by national clearinghouse

I read this in Sunday's paper, surprised Spidey didn't get the chance to post the latest news on his boy. Essentially he was board certified by the actual Opthalmology board, then made up his own board certification organization before the real cert expired. Board certs are in place to show that a Dr is keeping up with advances in medicine and still knows their stuff, and also carried a $1500 recert fee. The real board employs a staff and has a detailed list of the requirements to achieve certification while the Paul board is run out of a UPS store.

At least he learned to keep his mouth shut and refused to answer the question so someone on his staff could write something sensible up for him.

My big issue - why doesn't the hospital verify that the Dr.'s they give privledges to stay certified? What is with the discrepancy between the date the board was started between the Paul campaign(1987) vs the reporter's date(1999)?

This will get zero traction.
 

Babbles

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That's just pathetic. Of course, I'm not surprised some of our trolls applaud this behavior, since they live in their own reality.

Kind of similar to getting a diploma by one of those diploma mills. Not cool

Not even in the realm of similarity.
 

Double Trouble

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That's just pathetic. Of course, I'm not surprised some of our trolls applaud this behavior, since they live in their own reality.

Kind of similar to getting a diploma by one of those diploma mills. Not cool

Not even remotely similar. He got a real education and training from a legitimate school, and was previously certified by the board. Now they are not happy because he ditched them and make his own.
 

Slick5150

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And I'm sure if this was a Democrat all of you would be defending it exactly the same way. Right. sure.

I'm not saying if this is a big deal or not, because frankly I don't know, but for all the usual right wing trolls to hop in this thread and claim it's no big deal smells strongly of hypocrisy.
 

Patranus

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Not even remotely similar. He got a real education and training from a legitimate school, and was previously certified by the board. Now they are not happy because he ditched them and make his own.

How many different companies will "certify" you in computers?

Exactly. Two made up groups going after another made up group.

This would only be an issue if he made up his license to practice medicine.
 

Thump553

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You don't need (real) board certification to practice a medical speciality, but I think it would be crticially important to keeping/retaining hospital privileges and, more importantly, malpractice insurance. Important knowledge if you are thinking of having him fiddle around your eyes but I don't see what this has to do with his fitness to become a Senator.

To me the most significant part of the quoted article is this part:

Jesse Benton, his campaign manager, said later Saturday that Paul would only answer questions submitted in writing.

You've learned a lot, young grasshopper. Rand Paul is now officially an authentic politician/weasel. Personally I found his tendency to speak off the top of his head refreshing, even if his thoughts were those of a wacko. Now his handlers are trying to repackage him for mass consumption.
 

Vette73

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And I'm sure if this was a Democrat all of you would be defending it exactly the same way. Right. sure.

I'm not saying if this is a big deal or not, because frankly I don't know, but for all the usual right wing trolls to hop in this thread and claim it's no big deal smells strongly of hypocrisy.


Yep thats all I see to. Right wing trolls spinning it as hard as they can. Funny how he was supposed to be different but will nto even answer basic questions now till they are written down and then given time to spin themself.
 

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You dont need to be board certified to practice medicine. In fact, Im convinced that specialty boards exist only to extract money from younger members. In Anesthesiology, if youre certified after 2000, you have to retake the exam every ten years and do special tests every 5. If youre one of the older members, then youre home free for your career.

Bingo!

As a CPA I'm subject to these kind of state-based rules.

Over the years (been a CPA for about 30 years) it's become increasingly obvious 'money' is the real objective.

They (state boards) now mandate which continuing ed courses qualify for certification. It's amazing how much more these now cost and in many cases the quality of the courses is no better, and in some cases worse, than it was before the state board began mandating who could offer 'state certified' courses.

It's a freakin racquet.

I'm not a 'Paulite' and don't see what this has to do with him being a politician anyway. Would be more interesting if he claimed to invent the internet, be a Vietnam combat vet, or was found in bed with a dead woman or young boy etc.

Fern
 

ichy

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This would only be an issue if he made up his license to practice medicine.

That or if he hadn't completed an ophthalmology residency. Plenty of residency-trained physicians are board eligible but are not board certified. Hospitals would not give an unqualified doctor privileges to practice there in our current litigious society. I'm no Rand Paul fan, but this sort of crap is really sad.
 

werepossum

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You don't need (real) board certification to practice a medical speciality, but I think it would be crticially important to keeping/retaining hospital privileges and, more importantly, malpractice insurance. Important knowledge if you are thinking of having him fiddle around your eyes but I don't see what this has to do with his fitness to become a Senator.

To me the most significant part of the quoted article is this part:



You've learned a lot, young grasshopper. Rand Paul is now officially an authentic politician/weasel. Personally I found his tendency to speak off the top of his head refreshing, even if his thoughts were those of a wacko. Now his handlers are trying to repackage him for mass consumption.

This - although if I were considering him as an eye doctor I'd be really pissed to find that his accreditation was from an organization he clearly made up for his own convenience. It's ironic that the Libertarian Party (to whose ideas I generally subscribe more often than not) maintains the position that business can regulate itself when its darling (at least among the Pubbies) clearly shows it cannot without fraud. If he honestly wished to take issue with one board because of age discrimination, he could have taken the time to start an actual competing board with continuing education requirements for all. Instead he has proven that his beef was not with the lack of requirements on others, but rather with the requirements on him, and has thus proven that left to themselves, people (even doctors) will often be dishonest for their own convenience and profit.

And yes, he is now officially a politician merely for the sake of being a politician, neither better nor worse than the bulk of them. While I like some of his ideas, I no longer have any faith that he means them any more than did Obama or McCain.
 

DaveSimmons

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It does speak to his lack of character that he would make up an organization so he could claim a status that he might not have earned.

I agree it's not as bad as calling yourself "Dr. x" with an internet Ph.D but it is still less than completely honest.
 

Lemon law

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We can bet the democratic opposition will capitalize on this and making it a continual side issue in the campaign leading up to the general election.

Its bad enough to have less than valid certification, but when Rand Paul is listed as the Pres of the certification organization it jumps to a new level of how low can you go?

Rand Paul fans may not care but lots of other people will. And maybe the AMA will see it as a threat and make an issue of it.