Rancher Ordered To Pay Illegal Aliens Because He Assaulted Them On His Property

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spidey07

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eskimospy said:
Uhmm, it's called proportionate response. It's what sane human beings use as a standard for action.

Also, if people here think you can shoot those who walk onto your property so long as you post a sign, you're hilariously wrong.
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I can in my state.
 
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darkewaffle

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ITT: Attempts to veil jingoism by pretending bad things are ok as long as we do them to non-citizens.
 
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chucky2

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eskimospy said:
Well, then expect a jury to find you similarly liable. If you think that the rancher would have somehow had a better outcome by murdering four people, you're awfully naive. The lesson to be had here is don't threaten to kill someone unless you have a better reason than trespassing.

Congress not passing legislation to lock down the border has nothing to do with an inability to multitask, they simply don't want to do what you want them to do. For that, I am glad, because the 'locking down the border' idea is pointless and expensive.
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You're sick. Seriously.

Tell you what: I'll go into your house, sleep in your bed, eat your food, drive your car....heck, I'm just basically trespassing, right? I mean, even though its your house, and I'm in it uninvited, I'm just trespassing. Sleeping in your bed? Well, you can sleep somewhere else, I'm just trespassing. Hey, eating your food? Well, I'm just trespassing on it...you can have it back when I sh1t it out, it's cool right? Driving your car? Well, that's not stealing, it's just trespassing in it until I give it back. The 'not a 'super smart political guy'' group will represent me when you sue me because i'm doing all that stuff, and then, when I win in court, you can pay me for doing all that stuff I'm doing to 'better myself'.

I can already tell in your next post you'll be agreeing with all that, amirite?

This country is beyond F'd. Seriously, we have no hope if we can't secure our own southern border from the continual invasion. We have zero spine left if our own court system has people with such little backbone, that they don't throw BS like this out on its face when it's even allowed to make it into court.

Unreal. :':)':)'(

Chuck
 
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chucky2

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eskimospy said:
Uhmm, it's called proportionate response. It's what sane human beings use as a standard for action.

Also, if people here think you can shoot those who walk onto your property so long as you post a sign, you're hilariously wrong.
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Sane countries don't allow themselves to be invaded. You're not sane.

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fskimospy

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chucky2 said:
You're sick. Seriously.

Tell you what: I'll go into your house, sleep in your bed, eat your food, drive your car....heck, I'm just basically trespassing, right? I mean, even though its your house, and I'm in it uninvited, I'm just trespassing. Sleeping in your bed? Well, you can sleep somewhere else, I'm just trespassing. Hey, eating your food? Well, I'm just trespassing on it...you can have it back when I sh1t it out, it's cool right? Driving your car? Well, that's not stealing, it's just trespassing in it until I give it back. The 'not a 'super smart political guy'' group will represent me when you sue me because i'm doing all that stuff, and then, when I win in court, you can pay me for doing all that stuff I'm doing to 'better myself'.

I can already tell in your next post you'll be agreeing with all that, amirite?

This country is beyond F'd. Seriously, we have no hope if we can't secure our own southern border from the continual invasion. We have zero spine left if our own court system has people with such little backbone, that they don't throw BS like this out on its face when it's even allowed to make it into court.

Unreal. :':)':)'(

Chuck
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You need to go learn the law. Trespassing and entering someone's house are far, far different things under the law. Trespassing and grand theft auto are also far different things under the law.

You think I'm sick because you are ignorant.
 
Jadow

Jadow

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he'd be 87k richer if he'd shot them and got rid of the bodies.
 
Amused

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I fail to see how he is liable for anything here. He caught people in the act of breaking the law and held them for the authorities.

Don't citizen arrest laws stand for anything anymore?
 
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chucky2

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eskimospy said:
You need to go learn the law. Trespassing and entering someone's house are far, far different things under the law. Trespassing and grand theft auto are also far different things under the law.

You think I'm sick because you are ignorant.
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I know they're different, that's not the point. The point is, they're wrong. Doing them is wrong. Telling you to pay me money because I did wrong things is: Wrong.

When I'm in the act of doing all those things, what are you expected to do, at night? Call the police? They're not 2 minutes away. Oh, it's not just me doing it, it's 11 others with me.

You don't think you'll be feeling just a might unsafe? As soon as you ask us to leave, and we rush you, then WTF are you going to do? Is judge boy going to appear out of no where and rescue you? No.

P.S. Pay up, you owe me money for 'mentally troubling me' by asking me to get out and not steal your car. You need my paypal address? I think $10,000 is a good amount, don't you?
 
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Amused

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Craig234 said:
Nice guy.
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His neighbor was murdered by illegals as he worked on his land. Because the government has been doing effectively little to stop this, land owners on and near the border face very real dangers and the violent crime rate is soaring.

Now, I know a Nancy like you would just abandon your land, and run away to some city if there were any hint of danger, but some people rather protect and stand up for what they've worked for.
 
thraashman

thraashman

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spidey07 said:
I can in my state.
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Based on a thread you posted about psuedofed, I'm guessing you're in Kentucky.

FYI, information I've found about Kentucky trespassing laws says you're wrong.

Specifically the line from the below link that says

A land owner cannot be held liable for any injuries a trespasser sustains while on the real estate unlawfully. If the owner or an individual acting on his behalf intentionally inflicts injuries on a trespasser, the land owner can be held liable.
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Read more: Kentucky Trespassing Law | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/about_6552760_kentucky-trespassing-law.html#ixzz1DULbnXNG


I'm pretty sure that in NO US state is it legal to kill or detain someone who is trespassing on your property. Castle doctrine does not extend outside of buildings on the property.

Edit: removing double post of link.
 
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fskimospy

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Amused said:
I fail to see how he is liable for anything here. He caught people in the act of breaking the law and held them for the authorities.

Don't citizen arrest laws stand for anything anymore?
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No, in most states citizens arrest is only permitted in the case where the citizen sees someone commit a felony, and neither trespassing nor illegal immigration is a felony. (well, illegal immigration can be if repeated but there's no way for the rancher to know). In addition, it's generally only allowed for people that you catch destroying things, stealing things, etc. ie: imminent destruction of life or property.

We don't need or want people citizens arresting each other for minor infractions for obvious reasons.
 
thraashman

thraashman

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FYI to the more insanely psychotic of you in this thread, it's also not legal to hold Trick-or-treaters at gun point if they come up to your house on Halloween. Since Amused, Doc Savage Fan, Spidey, Patranus, chucky and a few others seem to be arguing that they should be allowed to such.
 
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spidey07

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thraashman said:
Based on a thread you posted about psuedofed, I'm guessing you're in Kentucky.

FYI, information I've found about Kentucky trespassing laws says you're wrong.

Specifically the line from the below link that says



Read more: Kentucky Trespassing Law | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/about_6552760_kentucky-trespassing-law.html#ixzz1DULbnXNG


I'm pretty sure that in NO US state is it legal to kill or detain someone who is trespassing on your property. Castle doctrine does not extend outside of buildings on the property.

http://www.ehow.com/about_6552760_kentucky-trespassing-law.html
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meh, there was a guy who shot somebody on his farm a while ago and there was an attorney and policeman being interviewed that says he's protected and no crime was commited. He didn't kill the guy and the guy is trying to sue but was tossed out. Castle doctrine does cover trespassing and defense of property.
 
Amused

Amused

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eskimospy said:
No, in most states citizens arrest is only permitted in the case where the citizen sees someone commit a felony, and neither trespassing nor illegal immigration is a felony. (well, illegal immigration can be if repeated but there's no way for the rancher to know). In addition, it's generally only allowed for people that you catch destroying things, stealing things, etc. ie: imminent destruction of life or property.

We don't need or want people citizens arresting each other for minor infractions for obvious reasons.
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Actually, in Arizona, it's also legal for misdemeanors that involve breach of peace.
 
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