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Rampage will be out at summer 2001 its too late for 3dfx?

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I find it funny that a lot of kids actually seem to hate 3dfx. I've never quite understood why. To be honest, they are the reason I bought a computer. I was a "hard core" gamer, on console, until one day, I was at the store, looking for a new game to buy, and I seen Tomb Raider on a PC with a Voodoo card. I went home with a PC that night.

In a way, I have 3dfx to thank for my current job. Believe it or not, I'm a programmer at a rather large and well known company now!! I make a very commendable living. To think... playing games got me where I'm at today. If it wasn't for playing games, I would have never got a PC. But, to be more specific, if it wasn't for 3dfx, I would have never got a PC, and hence, never learned so much about computers.

Anywhoo.. I think the GTS is the better card out right now (I'm using a GeForce 1 myself), but I don't think the Voodoo 5 "sucks" or is "lightyears behind the curve". Dudes, that's stupid talk. Do you realize what you even saying? You just sound, well... dumb when you spit stupid comments out like that.

It kind of reminds me of the old SNES vs GENESIS arguments (I had both, being the die hard) and although admittedly, some games were slightly better on one system vs the other, they were virtually the same still yet.

3dfx may go down, they may go up... but one thing is for sure, 3dfx doesn't "suck" by any means of the matter.
 
Hang on, this is just one internet site that announces this delay. I think it's all rumor. 3dfx has developed this Rampage over 2 years now, you would think that it can deliver the goods this December.
 
The reason 3dfx is suck is cause they are blowhards. All talk no action. Perennially too little too late. They still act like it's mid 1998 and they can't do any wrong. I reckon that IF a co. can deliver then they earn the right to crow about it, otherwise they should shut their piehole and get to work. If they work like demons for the next year they might save me $5 on a future purchase from a competitor but right now they just aren't delivering and it makes me resentful 😛
 
3dfx sucks for me because they try to tell me
1) You dont need AGP (V3000,V5500)
2) You dont need T&L (V3000,V5500)
3) You dont need 32bit (V3000)
4) You dont need large textures (V3000)
5) You dont need Win2000,NT4 driver (V5500)
That sucks a big time!
 
What exactly aren't they delivering, Auric?

See, this is what I'm talking about... People are so quick to bash 3dfx. I guess it's in style now. But nothing concrete, just generalizations.

Earlier, JellyBelly talks about image quality. Again, screenshots are overrated as tools to judge such things. And yes, there is a LOD adjustment. JellyBelly also states that the GTS better. On what basis? Also, FSAA works on every 3D game, on the V5.
 
1) My V5 is AGP, and performs nearly as well as a GTS in Q3, better than a GTS in UT games, and better with FSAA on.

2) I don't need T&L. Prove to me that I do. In the future T&L will be very important. But that is at least one upgrade cycle away for me.

3) 32bit... Yep, they missed on that one. Pesonally, 32bit color doesn't do much for me, but I understand that I'm in the minority here. But alas, this doesn't apply to the V5. If we are talking about the past, then you should be pissed at nVidia for their poor quality 3D in their Riva128. Or their horrendous OpenGL when the Riva128 came out. But, we don't care about the past nor the distant future. I'm talking about today.

4) See #3

5) Nope, I don't need Win2K drivers. Although, there are some out now.

C'mon Hardware, you can give me better reasons than those. Try harder.
 
I don't care what company makes the better card, but 3DFX is always saying they didn't include something because it "isn't needed". When I got my V3, I called them and asked why it would not render in 32bit. They told me that I "didn't really need that"....Just my .02.
 
Of course no company is going to say "Oops, we should've included that." If you were to call nVidia now, they'd say that you don't need hardware FSAA. Of course they will.

But again, I couldn't care less what mistakes were made with any of the previous offerings. The V5 supports 32bit color, so this is a non-issue (again).
 
Hardware



<< 3dfx sucks for me because they try to tell me
1) You dont need AGP (V3000,V5500)
2) You dont need T&amp;L (V3000,V5500)
3) You dont need 32bit (V3000)
4) You dont need large textures (V3000)
5) You dont need Win2000,NT4 driver (V5500)
That sucks a big time! >>



I must say that I 100% agree with you 😉

3dfx sucks now but when the Voodoo1 and Voodoo2 were the cards to get then they ruled the market. Right after Voodoo3 it was all downhill from there, no matter if it was a best selling card.

 
I think 3dfx will be bought out, the only question is by who?
nVidia or ATi would of course be candidates, but Im a techie, not a business man, so I wont try to guess.
 
Again, more generalizations. When are we going to discuss something solid?

Czar, I see that you agree with Hardware, yet you decided not to adress any of the points I brought up.

These same points that Hardware brings up, I can point out to any company. Be it nVidia, Chevrolet, Intel, Sony, etc...
 
Lets see some t&amp;l numbers:

MDK2 1024x768 16bit
GTS 116.95 with hardware t&amp;l
V5500 42.76 with software t&amp;l

We see the penalty for not using a hardware t&amp;l by 3dfx!
The solution aka tweaking for 3dfx is reducing visual qualitly.

The V5500 is a fine solution for old games with e.g. fixed 640x480 or outdated glide engines like UT but it will surely fail with the release of new 3d games with advanced engines! (we can see it to a degree with q3)
 
Wingznut

Sorry didnt notice your reply.. I´ll address it now

1. Your V5 is AGP, true, but it doesnt use any agp fetures so it is basicly a PCI card that fits into an AGP slot.

2. There are few games out that benefit from T&amp;L but by next christmas there will be many. 3dfx will only have maybe a Voodoo5 6000 to compete with all the 2nd gen T&amp;L cards. Notice there are 2nd generation T&amp;L cards coming and 3dfx is going to miss the first gen.

3. 32bit, some use it some dont, but at least every other card maker gave the user a choice.

4. Large textures, oh boy oh boy, When I had a Vodoo3 3000 for testing and then my own G400 I test Quake3 a bit. Larger textures are probably the biggest visual quality difference since .. err.. colored lightning. 256x256 compared to 512x512 is big. But then as usual 3dfx didnt give the user a choice of speed vs visual quality.

5. The WinNT and 2000 drivers are out, not good but they are out. I can still give 3dfx credit for being better at that than ATI 😉

The point is that 3dfx tells us what we need, ATI, Matrox and nVidia lets the user have the option of choosing. This makes 3dfx suck.
 
&quot;The point is that 3dfx tells us what we need, ATI, Matrox and nVidia lets the user have the option of choosing. This makes 3dfx suck.&quot;

Well said!
 
Wingznut

There is nothing wrong with using 2 or even 4 chips on a video board, I guess... but Its sort of like intel releasing their 1G processor, with a huge heat sync and higher voltage... Every overclocking out there know this trick...

Releasing a card with 2 chips shows how much 3DFx is stretching in the marketplace to keep competative... In a single chip market...

Now, Rampage, supposed to be released, and compete with NV20 in the Fall, won't be out until next summer...

Oh, yeah... I just wanted to mention that the V5 competes with the orignal Geforce, and not GF2... The only thing, holding back the GF2 is the Memory speed, which Nvidia can't control the market on that...

As for Glide, we all know where that is going... So, some games are still being released for it, what are they supposed to do, scrap 18 months of coding because glide is no longer 'in'... We'll be seeing the death of glide soon...
 
Yeah, but why so much animosity towards them? Your reasoning for such a harsh stance against the Co. is trivial at best. I could see those features (or lack thereof) prevent you from buying their product, but I don't see them not having those advanced features at that given time a reason to hate them.

C'mon guys, lets get real here. Why doesn't everyone hate ATI, Matrox and the rest of them? I see no-one spewing such inflammatory remarks about those Company's. Even though they also didn't have those features you listed.

Dude... stop putting on a front and tell me the REAL reason you seemingly hate 3dfx so much. I mean sheesh, you act like they pimped your mom or something.

Besides, what good would it do for 3dfx to &quot;go down&quot;? How would that help us the consumers any?

I'm sorry, whenever I see all these incredibly ridiculous remarks about 3dfx &quot;sucking&quot;, &quot;should die&quot; etc etc etc... I just can't help but think to myself...

&quot;What a dumb statement&quot;. Sorry.
 
Doesnt everyone just hate it when someone is thinking for you, telling you what to do and when to do it? Thats what 3dfx is doing, and then they have the most noying PR people in the world.

Think about it this way, you dislike Microsoft for at least this reason, it forces you to like install IE, it forces you to use Media Player 7 in WinME. This is why Linux is so popular. Errr.. I think I´m getting a bit carried away.
 
&quot;Oh, yeah... I just wanted to mention that the V5 competes with the orignal Geforce, and not GF2... The only thing, holding back the GF2 is the Memory speed, which Nvidia can't control the market on that...
&quot;

Actually they can... The V5 isn't a cop out by using 2 chips... it is used to solve the memory bottleneck. By Using two or more chips it is a away to get around the bottleneck of memory speed.
 
Yeah, to effectively make a 64Meg card, 32Meg....

Lets see, 166Mhz... SDram x 2 or DDRam 333Mhz...

Looks like it was solved allready... Why would they go with SDRam...

$50 of 32Meg DDR or $60 or 64Meg SDram... Doesn't make sense...

 
Actually, I don't sdislike Microsoft at all. No way. I use and very much enjoy their products. I don't know, I guess I'm just not one of those anti-society types. I don't hate people because they are beautiful either.

I just think some of these kids have deeper &quot;issues&quot; and they use 3dfx, Microsoft etc. as reasons to vent. Because they obviously don't have anything real or substantial to base their hatred off of.

Actually, when you get down to it, it's really kind of sad.
 
Can anyone tell me what game doesn't run on a V5?
Oh, that's right, everything runs fine.

Here's some games that look unbelievable at 4x FSAA

Darkstone, Madden Football 99&amp;00, JN6 golf, Battlezone 1&amp;2, Descent Freespace 1&amp;2, Jane's USAF, Jane's WWII fighters, Motorcross Madness, Midtown Madness, Monster Truck Madness, Dungeon Keeper II, Jane's Fleet Command, Vampire the Masquerade, Mechwarrior 3, Need for Speed III and IV, Rainbow Six, Rogue Spear, NFL Fever 2000, Re-Volt.

I don't benchmark, because I don't care.
I play games.
If anyone hasn't seen games in FSAA, shut up, you don't know what your talking about.
If you think $300 is too much for a video card then you are in the wrong hobby. Because 21&quot; monitors are too much, so are new hd's, cpu's, memory, game controllers, motherboards, cases, speakers, etc.

Please tell me what I'm missing by having a V5 right now.
 
Of course... when her card supposedly starts chocking on a T&amp;L title, she could upgrade then right? I mean.. right? C'mon, admitt it dude, you have no basis on which to stand.

Also Dealer could argue that she is enjoying his/her current collection of titles *right now*.

Face it... there is NOTHING severly wrong with having a Voodoo 5 card. Nothing. Except your undieing hatred for the Company. And that's why we're all supposed to not go out and buy a Voodoo 5? Right?

Personally, my GeForce is holding me over right now... but if it wasn't I would certainly consider a Voodoo 5 card if I was in the market for a new card.
 
Dealer

Some people buy new video cards for games they own and some people buy video cards for games they own and for the games they will own in the future, I guess you are the one who buys it just for games you own 🙂

The Voodoo5 5500 is very good in what it was designed for and that is playing Games. But its not good for the future because it was designed for games currently out and games that will come out in the next year at most. For those who dont buy new cards every 6 months then the Voodoo5 is a waste of money.
 


<< will choke with the comming t&amp;l titles >>

They why buy a T&amp;L card now? Wait til you need it, you'll save some cash.
 
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