Rambus to block P4 DDR/SDRAM chipset!!!! Plus, an interview with Rambus VP!

[Czar]

This sucks, again. BURN RAMBUS, anyway ranting done


I know that all the computer hardware pages are supposed to be non biased and all, but why dont all the hundreds or thousands of those pages start a "whatnot" (english word fell out of my head) against Rambus, so that each page has a image of some sort that people can click on and then sign up on a page that states that those who sign here are against what Rambus is doing.

This is no longer about who is right and who is wrong, this is about killing the rodent.

 

[Czar]

I´m reading the PCWorld interview and its rather biased I think.



<< PCWORLD.COM: However, Rambus and a few of its &quot;partners&quot; have recently engaged in some legal battles over the patent rights to traditional SDRAM. Can you address that? >>



They link to a single news article about those legal battles
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article.asp?aid=18257

And what do you know, its about Micron suing Rambus, they dont say anything about the countless legal battles when Rambus is suing everyone else.

This is what I call showing us the wrong side of the mirror and not showing us the reflection of the real world.

 

[NOX]

Bart,

<< You can get 128MB of Kingston RIMM PC600 w/ECC for $149

PC600 are you barking mad? Read up on it! It would be about as dumb as using pc66 in a p3 EB system (pretending that the two can run that asyncrounusly)

bart >>

Bart, please don?t be ignorant! I use the damn thing in one of my systems, Samsung RIMMs PC700 128MB (I just bought another stick of PC700 128MB Samsung for $100?another RIMM JOB ). I also use SDRAM PC133 Infineon 256MB in my dual rig. There is now way you or anyone else for that matter can tell the difference in real world performance. Benchmarks hahaha, I hope no one uses it for word processing, I use the two side by side and it?s just like any other system. And btw, I don?t use RDRAM because I like them (Rambus), but because it was offered to me brand new at a cheap price (Intel i820/RDRAM/PIII 700E S1 = $275).

 

[superbaby]

They need to come up with a new type of memory, something not DDR or RAMBUS.

Then RAMBUS would be out in the cold, clutching it's DDR/RDRAM patents for the small amount that they are worth.

That Future Memory Technology Alliance thingy better pull through or else we are going to be stuck with inferior technology and high prices for some time to come.

 

[BoberFett]

NOX

You did quote a price for PC600, when you're using PC700. The PC600 is quite a bit slower from all I've read. And by your own words, if you can't tell the difference, why should anybody want to pay more? Pay the absolute least amount you can.

 

[NOX]

<< Then RAMBUS would be out in the cold, clutching it's DDR/RDRAM patents for the small amount that they are worth. >>

That was suggested by Intel?s CEO in an interview, he was basically telling memory manufacturers how to get around Rambus patents. Telling them to develop their own IP, or I guess a new standard.

But then you go back to the argument why should they, if those Rambus SDR/DDR patents aren?t legitimate right? That's what Micron, Infineon etc are fighting.

 

[NOX]

Boberfett,

<< And by your own words, if you can't tell the difference, why should anybody want to pay more? >>

Did you read exactly what I said or were you quick to click on the reply button. I said ?I don?t think anyone in there right mind would be dumb enough to buy it at the price Mushkin is asking? $300 + for Mushkin RDRAM 64MB is ridiculous. Did I pay more, NO! I paid $100 for 128MB PC700. I didn?t say you should pay more, the prices are so comparable now it shouldn?t even be an issue anymore!

[EDIT]

I just found the same stick of 64MB PC800 Samsung RDRAM from Star Components for $89. Mushkin is trying to rip poeple off if you ask me.

 

[BoberFett]

NOX

I posted a price for PC800 RDRAM. You stated that was far too high, and posted a price for PC600 RDRAM. Granted, that was far cheaper, but also not the same quality as the Mushkin stick. Somebody called you on the fact that you wouldn't want to use PC600 RAM and you responded that it was fine, that you used PC700 in your machine.

Apples and oranges.

Fine, I happened to choose the highest price RDRAM on the planet. But your following replies hardly prove that RDRAM is as competitively priced with SDRAM. As for $90 for 64 MB, I just paid $90 shipped for 196 MB of PC133. So the price is still not comparable.

 

[NOX]

<< NOX

I posted a price for PC800 RDRAM. You stated that was far too high, and posted a price for PC600 RDRAM. >>

Is doesn?t matter, that?s far too high for 64MB PC800 even, again, no one in their right mind would even consider buying it from Mushkin for that price. Did you bother to look around before posting Mushkins price, to find out if it could be bought cheaper elsewhere?

<< Granted, that was far cheaper, but also not the same quality as the Mushkin stick. >>

The Mushkin stick is Samsung 64MB, the link I posted was Kingston 128MB, both brands are of high quality. The 64MB I found for $89 was also Samsung, the exact same as the Mushkin you pointed to but for $250 less.

<< Somebody called you on the fact that you wouldn't want to use PC600 RAM and you responded that it was fine, that you used PC700 in your machine. >>

Dude, you?re being way to finicky, take a look here. PC600, PC700, PC800, there are very little performance dissimilarities between them. The same standard can be applied to PC100, and PC133.

<< Apples and oranges. >>

Not apples and oranges, but reality.

<< Fine, I happened to choose the highest price RDRAM on the planet. But your following replies hardly prove that RDRAM is as competitively priced with SDRAM. As for $90 for 64 MB, I just paid $90 shipped for 196 MB of PC133. So the price is still not comparable. >>

You paid $90 for 196MB (though I think you mean 192) of PC133, and I paid $100 for 128MB PC700. A difference of 64MB, which will hardly be noticed in ever day use.

I never considered buying PC800, there really is no advantage over PC700 or PC600. Just like there is no real benefit of PC133 over PC100, the only reason why others and I, probably even yourself use PC133 is because it gives us that peace of mind when we are overclocking. In my case I have my dual rig running at 133FSB (2 700E?s @ 933) so it?s necessary. Prices are comparable to what they were just a year ago and there is really no justification for comparing it anymore, but that?s my opinion right?. But you mention it as if you still pay hundreds more for RDRAM, when you know very well that?s not the case anymore.