In the unlikely event that the GOP gets CA's electoral votes, I will vote party line. But if that happens, the DNC has a lot more to worry about than Nader.
In the unlikely event that the GOP gets CA's electoral votes, I will vote party line. But if that happens, the DNC has a lot more to worry about than Nader.
Hahaha Imagine enough people doing that. Nadar wins Popular vote then is Bush automatically re-elected by the Electoral College?
whatever respect I had for this man was lost in the 2000 election. I will NEVER vote for a green party candidate and I will never support this man for what he did to Gore's chances of winning the election. Nader warned that there was little difference in policy or practice between the two parties on many of the issues that are important to progressives or liberals. Well, three years later, Nader has to eat his word. On such issues as the environment, taxes, budget, civil liberties, education, international relations and the war on terrorism ... etc there are major differences between the GOP and GWB and Gore and the Dems. Nader has been MIA and cannot go on TV or the news shows to criticize this administration. WTF can he say? History will show and has shown that he and the green party help elect GWB.
Liberals, progressives and greens want to throw away their vote as a protest and help reelect GWB then fine ... STFU when GWB does the exact opposite of what you purport to support. :disgust:
remember Nader received over 90,000 votes in Florida and over 22,000 votes in New Hampshire
Liberals, progressives and greens want to throw away their vote as a protest and help reelect GWB then fine ... STFU when GWB does the exact opposite of what you purport to support. :disgust:
remember Nader received over 90,000 votes in Florida and over 22,000 votes in New Hampshire
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
We're testing the waters," Nader said in an interview with CNN. "It's a high probability but that is yet to be determined."
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"Gore beat Gore," Nader says to those charges. "He didn't get Tennessee, his home state. That would have made him president. And he blundered in Florida and didn't ask for a statewide recount."
"I would say to Democratic voters the following: If you think that a third party candidacy is going to take away votes and cost the Democrats the election, you've got the power entirely within your own franchise when you go to the voting booth and vote for the Democrats," Nader added.
</snip>
CkG
<snip>
"Gore beat Gore," Nader says to those charges. "He didn't get Tennessee, his home state. That would have made him president. And he blundered in Florida and didn't ask for a statewide recount."
"I would say to Democratic voters the following: If you think that a third party candidacy is going to take away votes and cost the Democrats the election, you've got the power entirely within your own franchise when you go to the voting booth and vote for the Democrats," Nader added.
</snip>
CkG
Poor Nader doesn't want to admit he cost Gore the election and saddled us with the idiot. It's called cutting off your nose to spite your face. I like it. Why doesn't he just say F U America. You don't want a leftist party, welcome to a Nazi state. hey, it's always darkest before the dawn. And we all have to face our own nadir.
Explain why so many Democrats voted to authorize the war in Iraq and the Patriot Act would you please?
Bitek
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Democrats blaming Nader for Gore's loss is like blaming the dog for pissing on the rug when you refused to take him outside.
If Democrats never learn the lessons of the 2000 and 2002 elections, they will just continue to get their A55es handed to them. The Clinton revolution, which brought strong centrist policies, allowed the alienation of the hard left and their subsequent defection to the Greens and other parties. Gore's campaign, although earning a record number of votes, still only held a slim majority, even in the pop vote. He should have killed W, a novice politician w/ little experience and poor mastery of the spoken english language, meanwhile Gore was VP under a hugely popular
)) Pres, and a historic economy. The election was his to lose, and he did. Gore can only blame Gore for this.
There are 16M people in Florida (not sure how many can vote, maybe 10M?) 90k (reported) for Nader is 0.6% of the population. To blame this tiny percentage is stupid when you allowed it to get that close anyway.
I say a vote for Nader was not a waste, nor is a vote for Dean, if they represent the principals you believe in. If the Dems want these votes, they are going to have to bring back and better balance policies to satisfy their leftist base. Gore's endorsement of Dean can be seen as a powerplay to do this. The loss to W and the Repubs was a painful lesson to learn, but perhaps neccesary. The Dems better figure who thier voters are quick if they want to start winning elections again.
If Democrats never learn the lessons of the 2000 and 2002 elections, they will just continue to get their A55es handed to them. The Clinton revolution, which brought strong centrist policies, allowed the alienation of the hard left and their subsequent defection to the Greens and other parties. Gore's campaign, although earning a record number of votes, still only held a slim majority, even in the pop vote. He should have killed W, a novice politician w/ little experience and poor mastery of the spoken english language, meanwhile Gore was VP under a hugely popular
)) Pres, and a historic economy. The election was his to lose, and he did. Gore can only blame Gore for this.There are 16M people in Florida (not sure how many can vote, maybe 10M?) 90k (reported) for Nader is 0.6% of the population. To blame this tiny percentage is stupid when you allowed it to get that close anyway.
I say a vote for Nader was not a waste, nor is a vote for Dean, if they represent the principals you believe in. If the Dems want these votes, they are going to have to bring back and better balance policies to satisfy their leftist base. Gore's endorsement of Dean can be seen as a powerplay to do this. The loss to W and the Repubs was a painful lesson to learn, but perhaps neccesary. The Dems better figure who thier voters are quick if they want to start winning elections again.
Originally posted by: Hafen
Democrats blaming Nader for Gore's loss is like blaming the dog for pissing on the rug when you refused to take him outside.
If Democrats never learn the lessons of the 2000 and 2002 elections, they will just continue to get their A55es handed to them. The Clinton revolution, which brought strong centrist policies, allowed the alienation of the hard left and their subsequent defection to the Greens and other parties. Gore's campaign, although earning a record number of votes, still only held a slim majority, even in the pop vote. He should have killed W, a novice politician w/ little experience and poor mastery of the spoken english language, meanwhile Gore was VP under a hugely popular
There are 16M people in Florida (not sure how many can vote, maybe 10M?) 90k (reported) for Nader is 0.6% of the population. To blame this tiny percentage is stupid when you allowed it to get that close anyway.
I say a vote for Nader was not a waste, nor is a vote for Dean, if they represent the principals you believe in. If the Dems want these votes, they are going to have to bring back and better balance policies to satisfy their leftist base. Gore's endorsement of Dean can be seen as a powerplay to do this. The loss to W and the Repubs was a painful lesson to learn, but perhaps neccesary. The Dems better figure who thier voters are quick if they want to start winning elections again.
Nice commentary. I would have to agree with you.
0roo0roo
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a waste? of course it was a waste. in the real world, one must not only look at the principals of your action but the result. good intentions have lead to horrible results all over the world. look at certain religions uncompromising stance on birth control, even in the case of countries where aids runs rampant. they say that people shouldn't have sex, well thats simply unrealistic, so they withhold contraceptives and turn their nose at the results. same goes with birth control and countries riddled with poverty. once again the principal is that people shouldn't have sex at all, ignoring the really that doesn't match their fantasy. and while these people get to feel good about their so called principals, other people suffer and get poorer or die.
its the same with a vote for nader in a system that does not allow for such a vote to make sense. its a winner take all system where one must be pragmatic and form coalitions to win. a vote for a candidate that cannot win will make you feel good in the short run , as long as you can forever turn a blind eye to the results of such a vote. its a vote blind to all reason.
course being blind to reason is the definition of nader. the man that said there is no difference between democrats and republicans. why anyone follows him i don't know.
its the same with a vote for nader in a system that does not allow for such a vote to make sense. its a winner take all system where one must be pragmatic and form coalitions to win. a vote for a candidate that cannot win will make you feel good in the short run , as long as you can forever turn a blind eye to the results of such a vote. its a vote blind to all reason.
course being blind to reason is the definition of nader. the man that said there is no difference between democrats and republicans. why anyone follows him i don't know.
Word. :beer:
I'm really glad to hear that he is contemplating a run for office though- yet another reason Bush will win next November!
Whatever happened to voting for the person that best shares your ideals? Maybe this is why our system is so screwed up, instead of voting for people we're voting against people.
0roo0roo
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the only person that best shares your ideals is you. our system is based on coalitions of people coming together to in order to gain power. you work the system, and perhaps get some of your ideals in, or you throw up your hands in disgust and let others work the system and screw you over. the choice is between living in reality, and living in fantasy, with the problem being that the suffering that can result from living in fantasy will certainly be real.
An Administration sets the tone of the legislation and thus bills like the patriot act would have been different IMO with a Democrat as President.
It is a moot point because Gore is not President but I seriously doubt that Gore would have surrounded himself with the likes of Rumsfeld wolfawitz, Cheney, Armitage. There is no way to tell how Gore would have responded to 9/11 but I don't think going to war against Iraq would have been the primary focus of a Gore administration. Plus, how many Representatives mentioned the possibility of Iraq and nuclear capabilities in their speeches on authorizing force. I think the number was close to 40%.
CPA
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All I have to say to this is: FU!
What gives you the right or anyone to tax the hell out of my money, just because I make more than 100K. FU, FU, FU!
Instead of fricken whining about how much somebody makes, why don't you put your energies into something that will earn you that much. And if money is not important to you, then why the FSCK do you care how much someone makes??? Be careful how you answer this, it bites both ways.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
I'll answer the bold question
Because it would mean that they'd have to take responsibility for their own life and position.CkG
DT4K
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Your ability to continually spew anti-government nonsense without repercussion is clear evidence that we do indeed live in a free country.
If this was a Nazi state and Ashcroft was taking away all your precious freedoms, you would already be dead and rotting in a mass grave for your comments.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
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