Raising the Minimum Wage to $9.00

[hal2kilo]

Bingo!

Unfortunately, you're arguing with people who say that the rich and the wealthy need more money and more benefits in order to motivate them to keep working, whilst the peons at the bottom need to be given less money and less benefits in order to motivate them to keep working.

Funny how that works! But it's OK, keeping the Man down is sport for conservatives.

 

[blankslate]

Yep, I think that's an interesting point. I would agree that the companies affected would largely be able to absorb the hit, but would they then pass the costs on to consumers to preserve their profit margins? I am guessing at least some of the additional cost will be passed on to the consumer.

According this article UC berkley Research brief I've come across
http://laborcenter.berkeley.edu/retail/bigbox_livingwage_policies11.pdf

which is summarized to some extent in this blog.
http://www.ilsr.org/walmart-could-easily-pay-12-hour/

If walmart increased their pay to $12 an hour they'd have to increase their prices by about 1.1% to pass the complete cost to the consumer.

Of course, it would have to be determined how much less federal and state aid people making that much an hour would consume compared to people making minimum wage to get a complete picture of the impact of that change would be.

 

[nehalem256]

I think you need to start reading up on biology, and all the other things that make us human.

What makes us human is the ability to subvert biological desires for long-term gain. If someone pisses me off it is a biological desire to punch them in the face, but if I do that I go to jail.

It sounds like what you are saying is that poor people are little more than animals.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Unions are people and money is speech... how dare you want to deprive them of the ability to bu... *ahem* speak out for the best candidates in the next national election.

Careful sarcasm can cut both ways.

 

[blankslate]

Careful sarcasm can cut both ways.

Let me know when unions can bring the funds to bear on an election that corporations or the truly wealthy can.... after all it must be that unions funded the democratic candidates' campaigns all by themselves, right?

If you believe that... I have a couple of bridges to sell you...

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

I think you need to start reading up on biology, and all the other things that make us human.

So just because you're human, you're entitled to create children? If you can't raise children in a safe environment, the state can take your kids away. If you're making $7.25/hour dual income, you should think twice about having kids. Perhaps think about yourself first and how you can lift yourself out of such a situation.

 

[Gintaras]

The arguments in favor of this don't make a lot of sense. People are making statements like "There is no way that you could raise a family of four on just $7.25 an hour!" Wait a minute, what? Why would you? If you are making so little money, why would you think that it is a good idea to have children in the first place? Minimum wage jobs are not meant to raise an entire family off of. They are meant for high school kids to work their way up and get some experience before they get real jobs later on. I started out in a very low paying jobs, making less than $9, but now that I graduated college, my salary is much, much higher. That's the way it is supposed to work.

It could be good..for those who pass:

1)Drug/alcohol screening....
2)No cellphones allowed at work time...

Rest...about performance...

 

[OverVolt]

I supported higher minimum wage until I learned Milton Friedmans logic of "All it does is ensure that people whose unskilled labor is worth that price end up with higher unemployment." Or something to that effect.

Makes sense, now I'm kind of against it.

 

[Veliko]

So just because you're human, you're entitled to create children? If you can't raise children in a safe environment, the state can take your kids away. If you're making $7.25/hour dual income, you should think twice about having kids. Perhaps think about yourself first and how you can lift yourself out of such a situation.

As I said, you need to do some reading up on biology.

And maybe get yourself to the doctor, I suspect you might have Aspergers.

 

[Veliko]

What makes us human is the ability to subvert biological desires for long-term gain. If someone pisses me off it is a biological desire to punch them in the face, but if I do that I go to jail.

It sounds like what you are saying is that poor people are little more than animals.

You're comparing the desire to have children, with having a fight?

How old are you?

 

[nehalem256]

You're comparing the desire to have children, with having a fight?

If the desire to have children was so difficult to overcome why do more than a million women in the US have an abortion every year?

 

[Veliko]

If the desire to have children was so difficult to overcome why do more than a million women in the US have an abortion every year?

Because not every woman wants a child at every stage of her life.

 

[nehalem256]

Because not every woman wants a child at every stage of her life.

And that supports your proposition that having children is uncontrollable biological urge how exactly?

 

[diesbudt]

My only question is, how high must the Min wage hit, before it is worth investing in automation in as many of those positions as possible.

 

[Ausm]

You're comparing the desire to have children, with having a fight?

How old are you?

My guess is right around hitting puberty.

 

[Ausm]

If the desire to have children was so difficult to overcome why do more than a million women in the US have an abortion every year?

Because your side is against Contraception?

 

[nehalem256]

Because your side is against Contraception?

(1) That is basically a lie.

(2) That has absolutely nothing to do with explaining why if having a child was such an uncontrollable biological urge that over a million women have abortions in the US every year.

 

[Ausm]

(1) That is basically a lie.

(2) That has absolutely nothing to do with explaining why if having a child was such an uncontrollable biological urge that over a million women have abortions in the US every year.

1)A lie how so?

2) You are talking about abortions, don't you realize people have to fuck in order to get to the point of having an abortion?

Oh thirdly and most important of all, WTF does this have to do with raising the minimum wage?

 

[Veliko]

And that supports your proposition that having children is uncontrollable biological urge how exactly?

Are you actually trying to deny that sex and procreation are among the most powerful urges that a person can have?

Seriously?

 

[nehalem256]

Are you actually trying to deny that sex and procreation are among the most powerful urges that a person can have?

Seriously?

I am saying that if women are capable of controlling the urge to reproduce so they can finish law school they should be able to control the urge to reproduce if they can't feed there offspring.

 

[nehalem256]

1)A lie how so?

2) You are talking about abortions, don't you realize people have to fuck in order to get to the point of having an abortion?

Oh thirdly and most important of all, WTF does this have to do with raising the minimum wage?

(1) Republicans don't want to ban contraceptives.

(2) And. We are not talking about having sex. We are talking about having children. You do realize if you have an abortion you wont have a child?

It has to do with minimum wage because we are discussing whether minimum wage should be redefined to be a "raise a family as a single mother wage"

 

[Veliko]

I am saying that if women are capable of controlling the urge to reproduce so they can finish law school they should be able to control the urge to reproduce if they can't feed there offspring.

So the answer to my question is that yes, you are trying to argue against the notion that sex and procreation are amongst the most powerful urges a person can have.

Have you ever actually spoken to a woman before? Contrary to what you seem to think, they aren't all connected to some hivemind whereby they all get exactly the same thoughts and compulsions at the same time.

For a start, not all of them went to law school.

 

[Ausm]

(1) Republicans don't want to ban contraceptives.

(2) And. We are not talking about having sex. We are talking about having children. You do realize if you have an abortion you wont have a child?

It has to do with minimum wage because we are discussing whether minimum wage should be redefined to be a "raise a family as a single mother wage"

LOLWUT???

Sir, You make a GREAT Republican.

 

[nehalem256]

So the answer to my question is that yes, you are trying to argue against the notion that sex and procreation are amongst the most powerful urges a person can have.

In modern society it is entirely possible to have sex without having a child.

Have you ever actually spoken to a woman before? Contrary to what you seem to think, they aren't all connected to some hivemind whereby they all get exactly the same thoughts and compulsions at the same time.

For a start, not all of them went to law school.

I was illustrating a point. Women are capable of subverting the desire for children to accomplish other goals.

 

[Veliko]

In modern society it is entirely possible to have sex without having a child.

It has always been possible to have sex without having a child, you insufferable buffoon.

I was illustrating a point. Women are capable of subverting the desire for children to accomplish other goals.

And once again you use the term 'women' as if they are a single entity.

I still don't really see what your point is here, what you are saying is utterly meaningless.

Once again: you are trying to argue against the notion that sex and procreation are amongst the most powerful urges a person can have.