Raising the Minimum Wage to $9.00

[nehalem256]

It has always been possible to have sex without having a child, you insufferable buffoon.

And once again you use the term 'women' as if they are a single entity.

I still don't really see what your point is here, what you are saying is utterly meaningless.

Once again: you are trying to argue against the notion that sex and procreation are amongst the most powerful urges a person can have.

I am saying that women are capable of controlling their urges. The ability to control our biological urges is what makes us humans and not animals.

You are arguing that women, or at least poor women, have uncontrollable baby rabies. Why do you think women are little more than animals?

 

[EagleKeeper]

The arguments in favor of this don't make a lot of sense. People are making statements like "There is no way that you could raise a family of four on just $7.25 an hour!" Wait a minute, what? Why would you? If you are making so little money, why would you think that it is a good idea to have children in the first place? Minimum wage jobs are not meant to raise an entire family off of. They are meant for high school kids to work their way up and get some experience before they get real jobs later on. I started out in a very low paying jobs, making less than $9, but now that I graduated college, my salary is much, much higher. That's the way it is supposed to work.

Children are produced for many before the parents need to get out and work.

doing so (having the children) then reduces their options drastically; both in terms of job potential and advancement via education.

It can be done; for most, it is to difficult an effort; the short term rewards are not worth the perceived gain.

And then the cycle repeats itself.

 

[EagleKeeper]

I am saying that women are capable of controlling their urges. The ability to control our biological urges is what makes us humans and not animals.

You are arguing that women, or at least poor women, have uncontrollable baby rabies. Why do you think women are little more than animals?

It may not be the baby urge; but the need for someone to care for and be dependent on them.

Also, some will have the baby as a way of encouraging the father to pay attention and provide the support emotionally that they are lacking.

 

[Veliko]

I am saying that women are capable of controlling their urges. The ability to control our biological urges is what makes us humans and not animals.

You are arguing that women, or at least poor women, have uncontrollable baby rabies. Why do you think women are little more than animals?

No, I am not arguing that at all, and at no point have I even made any statements specific to women.

I have said, several times now, that sex and procreation are amongst the strongest urges that a person can have.

At no point have I said that everyone wants kids all the time.

It is stronger in some people than others, to the point that it will dominate their lives. Look at the anguish suffered by some couples who are unable to conceive via natural means; many of them will pay thousands and thousands of pounds just for the opportunity to do so.

 

[shortylickens]

People truly have no idea the negative effect that raising the minimum wage has. The cost of goods goes up, businesses can't hire new people, so it all cancels out in the end.

It's like a drug...you keep needing to increase your dose to get the same effect.

Its worse. The lower class end up having LESS purchasing power, because the stuff they buy in quantity goes up in price. Lamborghinis stay the same but they were never buying them anyways.

It doesnt help. We need to worry more about keeping the price of low-income housing reasonable, and basic groceries. I mean really basic, like flour, sugar and such. Not freakin junk food.

 

[nehalem256]

It may not be the baby urge; but the need for someone to care for and be dependent on them.

Also, some will have the baby as a way of encouraging the father to pay attention and provide the support emotionally that they are lacking.

Sounds like the choice to have a child is not just a biological urge to procreate. It sounds more like selfishness or wanting to control men to me.

No, I am not arguing that at all, and at no point have I even made any statements specific to women.

Women are the ones that decide to have children.

I have said, several times now, that sex and procreation are amongst the strongest urges that a person can have.

And I have said many times, and it should be obvious, that sex and procreation are no longer the same thing at all. Ever heard of birth control? Or abortions?

And funny how the strong biological urge for sex and procreation doesn't excuse rape. It seems that only men are to be held accountable for their biological urges.

And there are many urges that are much stronger. Eating for example.

At no point have I said that everyone wants kids all the time.

Well that kinda implies that the urge isnt as strong as many others.

It is stronger in some people than others, to the point that it will dominate their lives. Look at the anguish suffered by some couples who are unable to conceive via natural means; many of them will pay thousands and thousands of pounds just for the opportunity to do so.

People will spend $1000s on pets, sports cars, etc

 

[Ausm]

Sounds like the choice to have a child is not just a biological urge to procreate. It sounds more like selfishness or wanting to control men to me.

/facepalm X 100

Most of the rest was to laughable to comment on.

 

[nehalem256]

Its worse. The lower class end up having LESS purchasing power, because the stuff they buy in quantity goes up in price.

I dont why see this is true. The cost of labor is only one of the inputs on the price of goods.

When you shop at Walmart what % of the price of goods do you think is related to the cost of American workers?

 

[Veliko]

Women are the ones that decide to have children.

She still needs a willing, male partner.

And I have said many times, and it should be obvious, that sex and procreation are no longer the same thing at all. Ever heard of birth control? Or abortions?

They never have been the same thing. And how does either birth control or an abortion help someone who actually wants a child?

And funny how the strong biological urge for sex and procreation doesn't excuse rape. It seems that only men are to be held accountable for their biological urges.

Are you mentally ill?

And there are many urges that are much stronger. Eating for example.

Yes, and?

Well that kinda implies that the urge isnt as strong as many others.

Yes, and?

People will spend $1000s on pets, sports cars, etc

Yes, and?

 

[nehalem256]

She still needs a willing, male partner.

A woman does not need a willing partner to have a child. She could for instance say she was on the pill when she wasnt.

They never have been the same thing. And how does either birth control or an abortion help someone who actually wants a child?

Until relatively recently with modern BC technology sex and procreation basically were the same thing.

As for wanting to have children it is called controlling your urges. If you want to have a child so badly you should channel that desire into building a life that will keep that child from starving.

Are you mentally ill?

What mental illness? If the desire for sex is such an uncontrollable urge as you propose how can we expect men not to at the very least masturbate in public. But yet that will you get you hauled into jail.

Yes, and?

So the urge is not really all that strong compared to other urges which people are able to control. Your entire thesis is discredited by your own admission.

 

[Veliko]

There is something seriously wrong with you.

You are, once again, arguing against the notion that sex and procreation are amongst the most powerful urges a person can have.

 

[nehalem256]

There is something seriously wrong with you.

You are, once again, arguing against the notion that sex and procreation are amongst the most powerful urges a person can have.

(1) And you again fail to understand that the desire for sex and the desire for children are different

(2) That we expect people to control there desire for sex.

(3) That we expect people to control there other desires. Desires which are in fact stronger than the desire for children. A point conceded by you.

The only difference is that you lack the balls to tell a woman that her choice is wrong. Or maybe you just enjoy using children to control men?

 

[Veliko]

Ah, you're a bitter misogynistic as well.

 

[Ausm]

Ah, you're a bitter misogynistic as well.

DING DING DING! We have a Winnar here!

 

[nehalem256]

Ah, you're a bitter misogynistic as well.

I am a misogynist because I think women are people capable of making rational choices and not just animals driven by primal biological desires?

Do you even know what misogynist means?

 

[Mani]

According this article UC berkley Research brief I've come across
http://laborcenter.berkeley.edu/retail/bigbox_livingwage_policies11.pdf

which is summarized to some extent in this blog.
http://www.ilsr.org/walmart-could-easily-pay-12-hour/

If walmart increased their pay to $12 an hour they'd have to increase their prices by about 1.1% to pass the complete cost to the consumer.

Of course, it would have to be determined how much less federal and state aid people making that much an hour would consume compared to people making minimum wage to get a complete picture of the impact of that change would be.

Good finds again. And agreed on that last point about federal aid. You've definitely got me leaning more in favor of a higher MW.