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Raise minimum wage?

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Raising the minimum wage will have no effects on what is a "livable wage". Businesses will just raise prices, since they are now paying more for labor. Then the people making minimum wage have no increase in free cash, and the rest of us actually have less free cash.
 
HAL9000 said:
I'm not saying abandon tips, leave tipping but insure that people are paid minimum wage
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Naw, people make more the way it is now. If people knew they were making minimum wage tips would be a lot less. Want to change something, get rid of the bogus "Delivery Charge" that a lot of delivery places charge. The driver doesn't get it, most of the time they say it's for "insurance". I did a little math and it appears the Pizza Hut here is making something like $20,000 per month for "insurance", that's a scam.
 
xj0hnx said:
Naw, people make more the way it is now. If people knew they were making minimum wage tips would be a lot less. Want to change something, get rid of the bogus "Delivery Charge" that a lot of delivery places charge. The driver doesn't get it, most of the time they say it's for "insurance". I did a little math and it appears the Pizza Hut here is making something like $20,000 per month for "insurance", that's a scam.
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I don't tip anyway, but I just think it is retarded that your culture obliges customers to pay wages!
 
If you are working, I don't care what the job is, if you are working and you are not being paid a livable wage, then what is the sense in working? The whole point of working is so that you can make your own way in the world and not be dependent upon others. But if you are working and still can't keep your head above water, then why should you keep working?

Please don't give me that crap about someone buying more house than they could afford. I know people who are renting an apartment and having to take in roommates and are still having a hard time making ends meet. Have you filled up your car with gas lately? Have you gone to the grocery store lately? An awful lot of people are working a 40 hour per week job for a low wage and cannot find a better paying job. I guess some of you people have the mentality that, "It's their own fault for being lazy" and as far as I am concerned, that's just BS and anyone with an IQ above 20 would know that.
 
HAL9000 said:
I don't tip anyway, but I just think it is retarded that your culture obliges customers to pay wages!
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There's a couple reason's, one is the extremely high turn over rate in the service industries, the other is that when you go out dining your experience is determined a lot by the skill of the server, better servers make more in tips, it's a good way to ensure that talent is rewarded.
 
xj0hnx said:
There's a couple reason's, one is the extremely high turn over rate in the service industries, the other is that when you go out dining your experience is determined a lot by the skill of the server, better servers make more in tips, it's a good way to ensure that talent is rewarded.
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Well that's fair, and we have a similar system you reward the good service, but you aren't obliged to tip the average waiter, if they are just doing their job then they get paid, a tip is earned for going beyond the standard job description.
 
JimW1949 said:
If you are working, I don't care what the job is, if you are working and you are not being paid a livable wage, then what is the sense in working? The whole point of working is so that you can make your own way in the world and not be dependent upon others. But if you are working and still can't keep your head above water, then why should you keep working?

Please don't give me that crap about someone buying more house than they could afford. I know people who are renting an apartment and having to take in roommates and are still having a hard time making ends meet. Have you filled up your car with gas lately? Have you gone to the grocery store lately? An awful lot of people are working a 40 hour per week job for a low wage and cannot find a better paying job. I guess some of you people have the mentality that, "It's their own fault for being lazy" and as far as I am concerned, that's just BS and anyone with an IQ above 20 would know that.
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Life isn't fair, and whining about it doesn't help. If we need extra money we go and do extra work on the side. I don't know too many people that live a responsible life and can't make ends meet. I can point to pretty much a single, or multiple reasons why the people I know that are having a hard time, are having a hard time, and it's usually, either drugs and/or alcohol, or making bad choices, and getting in too far over their head with debt.
 
xj0hnx said:
There's a couple reason's, one is the extremely high turn over rate in the service industries, the other is that when you go out dining your experience is determined a lot by the skill of the server, better servers make more in tips, it's a good way to ensure that talent is rewarded.
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If the business owner paid their waitresses a livable wage it would not be necessary for the customers to have to make up the difference in salary.

Countries like Germany pay their workers a livable wage. The women working as waitresses are paid a livable wage and there is not a big turnover of personnel. The women make a good salary and they stay working at the job for a very long time.
 
JimW1949 said:
If the business owner paid their waitresses a livable wage it would not be necessary for the customers to have to make up the difference in salary.
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If you asked most people that work as wait staff if they'd rather make minimum wage, or even $15 an hour, or continue as they are, they would keep it as it is. I've seen waiters/bartenders go home with a few hundred in a night. The customers are paying to be served, it's part of the experience of dining out. The way it is benefits both management and the wait staff. Waiters with skill can make a killing, and someone that sucks still can make a decent buck without the cost of meals being even higher.

Countries like Germany pay their workers a livable wage. The women working as waitresses are paid a livable wage and there is not a big turnover of personnel. The women make a good salary and they stay working at the job for a very long time.
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America isn't Germany. In Germany when you go out to eat you generally sit there for a lot longer, they don't rush you out, it's a completely different experience.
 
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xj0hnx said:
Life isn't fair, and whining about it doesn't help. If we need extra money we go and do extra work on the side. I don't know too many people that live a responsible life and can't make ends meet. I can point to pretty much a single, or multiple reasons why the people I know that are having a hard time, are having a hard time, and it's usually, either drugs and/or alcohol, or making bad choices, and getting in too far over their head with debt.
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What is it with you? I am sure there are some drunks and some drug addicts having a rough time, but not everyone is on drugs/alcohol and they are not prone to making bad choices and going into debt. I can probably name you right off the top of my head at least 20 people who have lost their jobs in this recession and are trying their best to get back on their feet. But it is very difficult when you are paid minimum wage, or slightly higher.

People need to be paid a livable wage.
 
xj0hnx said:
If you asked most people that work as wait staff if they'd rather make minimum wage, or even $15 an hour, or continue as they are, they would keep it as it is. I've seen waiters/bartenders go home with a few hundred in a night. The customers are paying to be served, it's part of the experience of dining out. The way it is benefits both management and the wait staff. Waiters with skill can make a killing, and someone that sucks still can make a decent buck without the cost of meals being even higher.

America isn't Germany. In Germany when you go out to eat you generally sit there for a lot longer, they don't rush you out, it's a completely different experience.
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So what are you saying? Here in America it is the duty of the customer to pay the waiter/waitresses salary? I have a news flash for you, when I go out to eat I go for the food, not for the service. I don't care how good the service is, if the food sucks, I don't go.

I imagine if you work in a night club, or a really classy restaurant, you would probably do pretty well in tips. But if work at a regular restaurant like so many waitresses do, the pickings are a bit more slim. Also, the number of people going out to eat in a restaurant has gone way down in this recession.
 
JimW1949 said:
What is it with you? I am sure there are some drunks and some drug addicts having a rough time, but not everyone is on drugs/alcohol and they are not prone to making bad choices and going into debt. I can probably name you right off the top of my head at least 20 people who have lost their jobs in this recession and are trying their best to get back on their feet. But it is very difficult when you are paid minimum wage, or slightly higher.

People need to be paid a livable wage.
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Like I said, life isn't fair, and just wishing that everyone could have a job making enough to get them everything they want isn't going to make it happen. There's nothing new going on here, people have been busting their asses forever, some make it, some don't. And what exactly is a "livable wage"? Is $28,000 a year a "livable wage", what about $22,000? $43,000?
 
JimW1949 said:
So what are you saying? Here in America it is the duty of the customer to pay the waiter/waitresses salary?
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If you want good service.

I have a news flash for you, when I go out to eat I go for the food, not for the service. I don't care how good the service is, if the food sucks, I don't go.
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Good for you?

I imagine if you work in a night club, or a really classy restaurant, you would probably do pretty well in tips. But if work at a regular restaurant like so many waitresses do, the pickings are a bit more slim. Also, the number of people going out to eat in a restaurant has gone way down in this recession.
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What's a "regular restaurant"? Chilis? Denny's?
 
manimal said:
Carmel Indiana right outside Indianapolis.


http://www.bestplaces.net/city/indiana/carmel



median household income 246K....
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I think I see the problem in Carmel. The "high rollers" that can afford to frequent Chipotle still aren't able to discern the difference between median home cost ($246,000) and median household income ($87,133.) So despite having an average income nearly double that of the rest of the state of Indiana, the pervasive stupidity is likely causing systemic mismanagement of all businesses and government in the town, thus explaining why Chipotle workers are citing Jung when they should be putting some more sour cream in my god damn burrito bowl.
 
JimW1949 said:
What is it with you? I am sure there are some drunks and some drug addicts having a rough time, but not everyone is on drugs/alcohol and they are not prone to making bad choices and going into debt. I can probably name you right off the top of my head at least 20 people who have lost their jobs in this recession and are trying their best to get back on their feet. But it is very difficult when you are paid minimum wage, or slightly higher.

People need to be paid a livable wage.
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I'd say that people need to EARN a livable wage before being paid it.
 
xj0hnx said:
There's a couple reason's, one is the extremely high turn over rate in the service industries..........
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xj0hnx said:
If you asked most people that work as wait staff if they'd rather make minimum wage, or even $15 an hour, or continue as they are, they would keep it as it is.
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So first you tell me that there is a huge turnover in the server business. Then you say that most servers prefer to keep everything as it is rather than be paid more money by their employer. Exactly how do you explain that? If the current system is so lucrative, why are so many people getting out of it? What you are saying doesn't make logical sense.
 
Nebor said:
I'd say that people need to EARN a livable wage before being paid it.
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So what are saying? Are you trying to say that someone who works for minimum wage, or a little more than minimum wage, doesn't deserve to live? I mean, a livable wage is just that, a wage that you can live with. A wage that allows you to buy the necessities of life.
 
JimW1949 said:
So first you tell me that there is a huge turnover in the server business. Then you say that most servers prefer to keep everything as it is rather than be paid more money by their employer. Exactly how do you explain that? If the current system is so lucrative, why are so many people getting out of it? What you are saying doesn't make logical sense.
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It does make sense, just not to some that can't think. Waiting is a good way to earn money fast, and has a high turn over rate. The two are not mutually exclusive. There's always those that stay where they are, but there is a lot of movement in the service industry, I've worked at at least fifteen different restaurants back when I was in it. Jobs are usually pretty easy to get because since the employer doesn't have to pay as much, and you can make more than minimum wage, it works out good for everyone.
 
JimW1949 said:
So what are saying? Are you trying to say that someone who works for minimum wage, or a little more than minimum wage, doesn't deserve to live? I mean, a livable wage is just that, a wage that you can live with. A wage that allows you to buy the necessities of life.
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What he is saying is that simply existing isn't a reason that someone should have to pay you.
 
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