Rahn Emanuel expected to quit

[nick1985]

lol @ rahm

 

[K1052]

good. i didn't see how he could be on it anyway.

but never count him out. he has some powerful friends

This case was always going to the IL supreme court, one way or another.

Odds are a stay on the order will be granted until the IL supreme court can hear the case, which will probably happen later this week or early next.

 

[dmcowen674]

I don't really know Rahm but I do not agree with throwing him off the ballot.

It sets a bad precedent in making people financially enslaved to mortgages not just by by bank account but geographically as well.

Especially in this era of upside mortgages and the guy was called to duty by the top job in the country.

Just another thing this country is doing wrong.

Just seems that if there is the wrong way that is the way it will be done in this country these days.

It is all doomed if do not stop this self defeating shit.

 

[piasabird]

Judge kicked him off the ballet. He took a job and was living in DC, how does he claim IL residency? It is a big lie. A senator or rep may claim 2 residences, but not white house staffers. To test this I suggest he provide proof he paid tax in Illinois for the previous year! If he did not pay or file taxes in Illinois, he was not a resident of Illinois. If he says he is, then charge him with tax evasion.

 

[K1052]

Judge kicked him off the ballet. He took a job and was living in DC, how does he claim IL residency? It is a big lie. A senator or rep may claim 2 residences, but not white house staffers. To test this I suggest he provide proof he paid tax in Illinois for the previous year! If he did not pay or file taxes in Illinois, he was not a resident of Illinois. If he says he is, then charge him with tax evasion.

He did file and pay IL taxes in 2009.

 

[EagleKeeper]

He did file and pay IL taxes in 2009.

What did he do for 2010?

 

[K1052]

What did he do for 2010?

IIRC, he paid his estimated IL taxes for 2010 so presumably he was going to file here.

 

[Fern]

Not so sure that the definition for a (taxable) resident under ILL. state (tax) law is the same as that for Chicago election law (or even Chicago city tax).

From what little detail I have been able to find via google, appears the judges felt Rahm didn't qualify under municipal law (i.e., Chicago has it's own rules regarding the definition of resident for election purposes).

Fern

 

[boomerang]

He did file and pay IL taxes in 2009.

In 2009?

So those would have been for calendar year 2008? Little details like this are kind of important.

 

[werepossum]

Not so sure that the definition for a (taxable) resident under ILL. state (tax) law is the same as that for Chicago election law (or even Chicago city tax).

From what little detail I have been able to find via google, appears the judges felt Rahm didn't qualify under municipal law (i.e., Chicago has it's own rules regarding the definition of resident for election purposes).

Fern

I like Dave (WTH?) think he's kind of getting a raw deal. Seems to me that White House staffer is also a temporary job. Still, if he doesn't meet the requirements, they should be upheld. Equal law AND equal enforcement for everyone.

 

[Lemon law]

Ramn is a citizen of the USA. Was he a resident of the district of Columbia or the State of Illinois? He pays Federal taxes from one entity or the other but not both. If they can keep Ramn off the Illinois ballot, then hundreds of congressmen and Senators would be in the same boat.

IMHO, umber stupidity and a power play by 2 appellate court justices who should be impeached.

 

[nageov3t]

this doesn't apply to Rahm's case specifically, but just in general, residency requirements to run for office haven't sat completely well with me... if a guy is running who's completely ignorant of local issues, let the voters not vote for him.

there are a ton of corrupt communities in my state that could probably be improved by an outsider with no ties to the local political scheme coming in to clean up.

 

[K1052]

In 2009?

So those would have been for calendar year 2008? Little details like this are kind of important.

paid the 2009 tax year in 2010 and has been paying the estimated taxes for 2010 tax year

I think the IL supreme court will probably reverse the lower court's decision and leave it up to Chicago voters. Rahm may end up a write in but he has the money and backing to mount that kind of campaign at the last minute if need be.

 

[Narmer]

this doesn't apply to Rahm's case specifically, but just in general, residency requirements to run for office haven't sat completely well with me... if a guy is running who's completely ignorant of local issues, let the voters not vote for him.

there are a ton of corrupt communities in my state that could probably be improved by an outsider with no ties to the local political scheme coming in to clean up.

It doesn't apply to Rahm's case at all since Rahm is very much a part of the Chicago machine.

 

[werepossum]

Ramn is a citizen of the USA. Was he a resident of the district of Columbia or the State of Illinois? He pays Federal taxes from one entity or the other but not both. If they can keep Ramn off the Illinois ballot, then hundreds of congressmen and Senators would be in the same boat.

IMHO, umber stupidity and a power play by 2 appellate court justices who should be impeached.

I think Fern just pointed out why the judges ruled as they did, Chicago has more restrictions than merely being a citizen of the state. Personally I think the man is monkey ball sweat, but I think he's getting a raw deal. But sometimes the law legitimately gives you a raw deal.

 

[nageov3t]

It doesn't apply to Rahm's case at all since Rahm is very much a part of the Chicago machine.

that's why I started with my caveat

 

[Fern]

For those interested, here's the case:

http://www.state.il.us/court/Opinions/AppellateCourt/2011/1stDistrict/January/1110033.pdf

Hard to say if Rahm's getting raw deal or not. There is no ILL Supreme case exactly on point and this court appeared to have a done an objective job interpreting the law.

Aside from all the technicalites etc, This court finds that requirements to be a voter and a candidate are not identical.

They found that the legislators original intent requiring candidates to reside in their district for one year prior means exactly what it says. That legislators felt that only someone actually (as opposed to contructively) residing in the district would be familiar with the (local) issues facing the populace; that someone only contructively residing there (meaning they are absent but maintain a dwelling) is no more familiar with local issues than a complete nonresident (being that they spent so much time away).

Yeah, I'd guess this is going to the state SC.

Fern

 

[Fern]

Ramn is a citizen of the USA. Was he a resident of the district of Columbia or the State of Illinois? He pays Federal taxes from one entity or the other but not both. If they can keep Ramn off the Illinois ballot, then hundreds of congressmen and Senators would be in the same boat.

IMHO, umber stupidity and a power play by 2 appellate court justices who should be impeached.

Nope. facts as stipulated show that Rahm filed taxes for DC and ILL, as would be expected. It's not a one-or-other type deal. Nor is tax law apparently relevent here.

No "then hundreds of congressmen and Senators would be in the same boat". Npt al all. The decision is based ILL law. Last I checked they don't have 100"s of Congress persons and Senators. Finally, other states are not bound by ILL law, they are bound by their laws.

Fern

 

[EagleKeeper]

Ramn is a citizen of the USA. Was he a resident of the district of Columbia or the State of Illinois? He pays Federal taxes from one entity or the other but not both. If they can keep Ramn off the Illinois ballot, then hundreds of congressmen and Senators would be in the same boat.

IMHO, umber stupidity and a power play by 2 appellate court justices who should be impeached.

Each state has their own requirements.

Also, they treat an elected representive different than one who is working by choice out of area.

 

[chowderhead]

For those interested, here's the case:

http://www.state.il.us/court/Opinions/AppellateCourt/2011/1stDistrict/January/1110033.pdf

Hard to say if Rahm's getting raw deal or not. There is no ILL Supreme case exactly on point and this court appeared to have a done an objective job interpreting the law.

Aside from all the technicalites etc, This court finds that requirements to be a voter and a candidate are not identical.

They found that the legislators original intent requiring candidates to reside in their district for one year prior means exactly what it says. That legislators felt that only someone actually (as opposed to contructively) residing in the district would be familiar with the (local) issues facing the populace; that someone only contructively residing there (meaning they are absent but maintain a dwelling) is no more familiar with local issues than a complete nonresident (being that they spent so much time away).

Yeah, I'd guess this is going to the state SC.

Fern

2 million ballots are being printed without Emanuel's name on them. However, the state Supreme Court could rule and force them to reprint the ballots. Military and Overseas ballots have already gone out with Emanuel's name on them.
If Emnauel is knocked off the ballot, the new front runner is .... former Senator Carol Moseley Braun

 

[K1052]

2 million ballots are being printed without Emanuel's name on them. However, the state Supreme Court could rule and force them to reprint the ballots. Military and Overseas ballots have already gone out with Emanuel's name on them.
If Emnauel is knocked off the ballot, the new front runner is .... former Senator Carol Moseley Braun

The two appellate court judges apparently refused to certify the decision for review by the IL supreme court in a case where they admit no precedent from the supreme court exists. In such a significant case with a rapidly closing time window I think that is going to get their attention and a stay will be issued.

The dissenting judge also flamed the other two something fierce in her opinion.

Even if Rahm gets knocked off everyone with two functioning neurons to rub together should support Chico. Hell, I'd call for Rahm to endorse Chico if it means keeping Braun's hands off the city.

 

[Lemon law]

I suspect the Illinois supreme Court will accept the Ramn case very promptly, given its immediate importance. And then we will all have a final verdict final word.

 

[werepossum]

2 million ballots are being printed without Emanuel's name on them. However, the state Supreme Court could rule and force them to reprint the ballots. Military and Overseas ballots have already gone out with Emanuel's name on them.
If Emnauel is knocked off the ballot, the new front runner is .... former Senator Carol Moseley Braun

Sweet lord! Chicago is California-level stupid if it elects Braun.

 

[dmcowen674]

I suspect the Illinois supreme Court will accept the Ramn case very promptly, given its immediate importance. And then we will all have a final verdict final word.

They doubt the Supreme Court will take up the case especially when they took money from Gery Chico when they were campaigning.

 

[runzwithsizorz]

Come on, did you really think you can stop the Obama, Chicago machine?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jan/25/emanuel-appeals-ruling-booting-him-chicago-ballot/