Rage on iPhone 4, Mobile gaming to the next Level

[Deeko]

If you have nothing to add to the discussion then post in a different thread. Thanks. I want to talk about gaming on either the iPhone or Android platform.

You're just fishing for some problems, I don't want any of it.

BS. Its a troll thread and I'm just identifying it as such. That line that I pointed out in my first post makes it very, very clear that you are not interested in actually discussing the subject matter at hand (iD's demo) and really just want to spark yet another worthless Apple vs Android fanboy fight. Otherwise, there was no point in making that comment.

Anyway, all of this is plain to see to anyone posting in this thread, and you know it. I'm not going to sit here and argue with you any more about whether or not you feel your troll post was trolling or not. It was. I know it, you know it, everyone knows it.

Back on topic - good demo, graphics are impressive, cool.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

BS. Its a troll thread and I'm just identifying it as such. That line that I pointed out in my first post makes it very, very clear that you are not interested in actually discussing the subject matter at hand (iD's demo) and really just want to spark yet another worthless Apple vs Android fanboy fight. Otherwise, there was no point in making that comment.

Anyway, all of this is plain to see to anyone posting in this thread, and you know it. I'm not going to sit here and argue with you any more about whether or not you feel your troll post was trolling or not. It was. I know it, you know it, everyone knows it.

Back on topic - good demo, graphics are impressive, cool.

Quite honestly there's nothign wrong with his post. That line is perfectly true and you know it. We all know games that run awesome on the Droid but stutter like shit on the Nexus. This is simply because OMAP and Snapdragon are different.

He pointed out a truth. I think you overreacted to it thinking it was a slimy attempt to bash Android. It's the truth though. And it certainly is a concern.

 

[MrX8503]

both the droid x and samsung galaxy s have similar GPU performance. I believe they are much better than iphone 4's as well.

Actually they are all very similar. According to benchmarks the samsung is the fastest followed by the iPhone and droid x

Quite honestly there's nothign wrong with his post. That line is perfectly true and you know it. We all know games that run awesome on the Droid but stutter like shit on the Nexus. This is simply because OMAP and Snapdragon are different.

He pointed out a truth. I think you overreacted to it thinking it was a slimy attempt to bash Android. It's the truth though. And it certainly is a concern.

I agree. Thanks for the input. What I was trying to say was that Android may be held back by it's fragmentation. Yes the droid x could probably run rage as well but I just picked out the closest specced phone to the iPhone, which is the galaxy s.

Yes, carmack said that a 2G can run it too, but that's not what the demo was showing or was about. Even if 2G was running rage it's a completely different platform and it has a much lower resolution. The point is it's not really about what phone can run what, it's whether or not developers are spending the time to port it.

 

[dguy6789]

both the droid x and samsung galaxy s have similar GPU performance. I believe they are much better than iphone 4's as well.

This is the truth.

Time for a little bit of education: The PowerVR SGX 530 and 535 have the same performance, the only difference is that the 535 has support for more instruction sets. The iPhone 4 runs an unmodified Power VR SGX 535. The Droid X and Droid 2 run a Power VR SGX 530 that is modified and is near 100% faster than the stock Power VR SGX 530(The standard SGX 530 runs at 110Mhz, the one in the Droid X and 2 runs at 200Mhz). The performance of it is very close to the new PowerVR SGX 540.

The Droid 1 runs the stock SGX 530, so 3D performance would be comparable to the 4 but CPU performance will hold it back.

The only modern Android phones that the iPhone 4 will have a real 3D performance advantage on are the 1Ghz Snapdragon based phones. No idea why Qualcomm decided to use such a terrible GPU in their Snapdragon.

 

[BenSkywalker]

The only other Android phone that can run Rage would be the Galaxy S series.

Still waiting for the technical breakdown on how this isn't a flat out lie. Carmack stated it runs on a iPhone2, why haven't you explained how the iPhone2 has more graphics power then the DroidX? If you can't do it, you have to realize how much of a lie the original statement was.

Even if 2G was running rage it's a completely different platform and it has a much lower resolution

So you know more about writing code the JC does? Is that what you are saying?

Break it down, how is an iPhone2G more powerful then a DroidX, or Streak?

 

[MrX8503]

Still waiting for the technical breakdown on how this isn't a flat out lie. Carmack stated it runs on a iPhone2, why haven't you explained how the iPhone2 has more graphics power then the DroidX? If you can't do it, you have to realize how much of a lie the original statement was.

So you know more about writing code the JC does? Is that what you are saying?

Break it down, how is an iPhone2G more powerful then a DroidX, or Streak?

You wanna talk about lies? Where in my post did I say a 2G is more powerful than a DroidX?

The Demo didin't show a 2G running Rage, a 2G is a different platform. Other Droid phones can probably run Rage, but I only mentioned the Galaxy S because its the closest spec phone to the iPhone.

I really don't understand why people get so offended about this stuff and blow things up out of proportion. I never said an iPhone 2G is more powerful.

 

[BenSkywalker]

The only other Android phone that can run Rage would be the Galaxy S series.

The iPhone 2G can run Rage according to Carmack. You said the only Android phone that can run Rage is a Galaxy S. Qualify your statement. Carmack himself stated hardware significantly less powerful then the Droid X or Streak could run it- you said they couldn't. Why did you say they couldn't run it?

I never said an iPhone 2G is more powerful.

Then what's the issue? Extension support? Again, you said-

The only other Android phone that can run Rage would be the Galaxy S series.

So why not explain it? If your claim is that it wasn't a blatant troll post, and we are to take you at your word, then you shouldn't have an issue in explaining exactly why the iPhone2G can run Rage but the Droid X and Streak can't.

 

[MrX8503]

The iPhone 2G can run Rage according to Carmack. You said the only Android phone that can run Rage is a Galaxy S. Qualify your statement. Carmack himself stated hardware significantly less powerful then the Droid X or Streak could run it- you said they couldn't. Why did you say they couldn't run it?

Then what's the issue? Extension support? Again, you said-

So why not explain it? If your claim is that it wasn't a blatant troll post, and we are to take you at your word, then you shouldn't have an issue in explaining exactly why the iPhone2G can run Rage but the Droid X and Streak can't.

I addressed those points many times. Reread it if you wish. Quite honestly you have a bigger issue with it than myself. I simply don't care enough to argue about what can/cannot run it.

I'm merely posting an article, read it, watch the video, argue amongst yourself, do whatever you want. I'll spend my time with open discussions rather than waste my time with petty points.

 

[BenSkywalker]

I addressed those points many times.

Could you link where you did, because it most certainly wasn't in this thread

I simply don't care enough to argue about what can/cannot run it.

Perhaps you should take that up with the obvious troll who started this line of discussion. If you don't care enough to argue about something, perhaps you shouldn't troll on the topic to start with

 

[MrX8503]

Could you link where you did, because it most certainly wasn't in this thread

I replied to your posts but you refuse to read them or reply, so I don't know what to tell you.

Perhaps you should take that up with the obvious troll who started this line of discussion. If you don't care enough to argue about something, perhaps you shouldn't troll on the topic to start with

I don't mind arguing about topics, I just don't wish to argue with fanboys. I present a topic and if you disagree, then that's fine.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

The iPhone 2G can run Rage according to Carmack. You said the only Android phone that can run Rage is a Galaxy S. Qualify your statement. Carmack himself stated hardware significantly less powerful then the Droid X or Streak could run it- you said they couldn't. Why did you say they couldn't run it?



Then what's the issue? Extension support? Again, you said-



So why not explain it? If your claim is that it wasn't a blatant troll post, and we are to take you at your word, then you shouldn't have an issue in explaining exactly why the iPhone2G can run Rage but the Droid X and Streak can't.

Dude, it's not that simple. Many games that run fine on the iPhone 2G when ported over onto Android run like ASS. Go read some of the Nexus One forums.

It's not so much the hardware can't handle it. The software isn't written properly. How about Macs not being able to play Youtube smoothly at 1080p? My 5 year old Opteron system has been doing it fine, but my MacBook Pro (2008) died playing 1080p on Youtube. I believe Adobe's finally fixed that, but it goes to show that software does a lot. This is also part of why Steve Jobs hates Adobe--because Flash was never really properly written for OS X (even though it sucks as a video format also)... and was always second rate to the PC version.

The same applies for Apple and Google on the mobile market except a lot of apps are written for Apple and then slowly ported. Due to fragmentation and a lot of other issues like lack of effort by developers, a lot of the ports or even Android versions of the app suck balls.

 

[BenSkywalker]

The software isn't written properly.

John Carmack.

 

[MrX8503]

John Carmack.

If John Carmack sees that its worth it to port Rage over to the Android platform, then I'm sure he will. If that becomes the case then Rage would be the first awesome game on the platform.