Rage against The Machine:""This current administration is no exception. They should be tried and hung and shot,"

[db]

The Bush Administration has wisely avoided a draft. They have convinced the main-stream media to not show pictures of soldiers coming home in caskets, etc. That keeps things "clean" and non-threatening on a personal level to Americans.

Believe me, if you are liable to be drafted tomorrow and it's your ass that's going to Iraq to die, you would evaluate things differently.

For those who feel so strongly about fighting this war, why aren't you there now, fighting?

Additionally, how many deaths is Zack responsible for? For telling the truth?
None.

How many deaths is Bush responsible for, for deceiving us into war?
Hundreds of thousands dead.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I merely pointed it out, because I'm quite sure that's what's truly causing your outrage.

Outrage? Hardly.

 

[nullzero]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCy5QRM9t9o

link to the video of rage against the machine saying the current adminstration....

 

[manowar821]

Well, I agree with rage.

But I usually think their music is kind of crappy. NoFX FTW.

 

[Red Dawn]

Let's see, RATM or Limbaugh and Hannity for entertainment. RATM FTW.

I've seen Morello on Mahr's show, he's as inofrmed as any one on this forum if not more.

 

[QuantumPion]

Originally posted by: cumhail

Originally posted by: QuantumPion
I can pinpoint the moment when I became a conservative, thanks to RATM. I was 16 or 17 I think. I was reading a press release by de la Rocha about how some black guy on death row (I can't remember his name atm) was going to be executed unjustly and that it was racism and such.

While I was watching the news with my Dad, the story about the guy was mentioned. I told my dad "it's so wrong that this innocent guy is being executed, the justice system is totally messed up" or something to that effect. My dad replied with something along the lines of "that guy is a brutal murderer. While robbing a convenience store, he shot the clerk at point blank with a shotgun. Then he killed one witness, and amputated the leg of another bystander with another point blank shot. There were witnesses, video surveilance, and DNA evidence against him". I, somewhat stunned, just replied with "Huh...well that's interesting".

It was that moment I realized that the rantings and ravings of the left wing nuts were just that, lies and political contrivances.

So this was, by your own account, the defining moment in your development of a political identity... And yet you can't even remember the guy's name and never bothered to learn anything about the actual case; you just based your opinions, first, on the views of some rock band and then, later, on your father's views? Well I'll agree with one thing you said in your post: "Huh...well that's interesting."

It was Mumia Abu-Jamal (nee Wesley Cook), by the way. And from I've been able to read, I think he was probably guilty, too... and I still like a number of RATM songs. But neither of those facts define my political views.

I don't think it was Mumia, who executed a cop in cold blood. This guy was robbing a convenient store and killed a few people with a shotgun I think. Anyway, you did not get the point I was making. When this story occurred, I didn't suddenly say "wow I feel cheated, I'm going to be a republican from now on!". It is in hindsight that I remember this incident where instead of believing the propaganda, I read the facts and learned the truth. I didn't just "hear some opinions from my dad", he told me the facts of the case which changed my perspective.

 

[QuantumPion]

Originally posted by: db
The Bush Administration has wisely avoided a draft. They have convinced the main-stream media to not show pictures of soldiers coming home in caskets, etc. That keeps things "clean" and non-threatening on a personal level to Americans.

Believe me, if you are liable to be drafted tomorrow and it's your ass that's going to Iraq to die, you would evaluate things differently.

For those who feel so strongly about fighting this war, why aren't you there now, fighting?

Additionally, how many deaths is Zack responsible for? For telling the truth?
None.

How many deaths is Bush responsible for, for deceiving us into war?
Hundreds of thousands dead.

We don't have a draft because we don't fight conflicts in the same way as in viet'nam or WW2. Back then, we needed lots of grunts to cover a large amount of territory, and to have superior numbers of the enemy because our technology level was similar to the opposition. Now, we have vastly superior technology and utilize a smaller number of more highly trained troops covering a smaller area. There will never be a draft in this country again unless another world war breaks out. Your argument of saying "Bush was wise politically to not have a draft!" is disingenuous, it would be like saying "Reagan was wise not to start a nuclear war with the Soviet Union, because if he did he probably wouldn't have won the next election!".

The MSM wasn't "convinced by the Bush administration" into not showing caskets of our soldiers. They were showing caskets for a while, but then were shamed into discontinuing the practice by various alternative media outlets.

Lastly, saying Bush is responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths in the war in Iraq is like saying Roosevelt was responsible for the millions of US casualties in WW2, again, a ludicrous statement.

 

[Wheezer]

blah, blah, blah....well known recording artist makes political statement against the government...blah, blah, blah.....well known actor/actress make political statement against government....blah, blah, blah....well known movie maker makes political statements against the government....blah, blah, blah....

who the f*ck cares what any of these people say?!

I don't listen to Rage for their political banter....any more than I watch movies and TV with stars who decide to let their political affiliations be known, agree with them or not.....the monkey is there to dance for my enjoyment, (recording artist, movie star, director or tv personality) not there to make noise back at me....so dance monkey...dance.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: QuantumPion
Lastly, saying Bush is responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths in the war in Iraq is like saying Roosevelt was responsible for the millions of US casualties in WW2, again, a ludicrous statement.

No it isn't. In fact if Bush had OD on Coke in his youth or even choked to death on that pretzel during thearly stages of his presidency there'd be many more people alive today because the odds are we wouldn't have invaded Iraq. Cheney as VP would never have been able to get the people to support his BS like Bush did. On the other hand, if Roosevelt had died prior to WWII we still would have fought it.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: QuantumPion

Originally posted by: db
The Bush Administration has wisely avoided a draft. They have convinced the main-stream media to not show pictures of soldiers coming home in caskets, etc. That keeps things "clean" and non-threatening on a personal level to Americans.

Believe me, if you are liable to be drafted tomorrow and it's your ass that's going to Iraq to die, you would evaluate things differently.

For those who feel so strongly about fighting this war, why aren't you there now, fighting?

Additionally, how many deaths is Zack responsible for? For telling the truth?
None.

How many deaths is Bush responsible for, for deceiving us into war?
Hundreds of thousands dead.

We don't have a draft because we don't fight conflicts in the same way as in viet'nam or WW2. Back then, we needed lots of grunts to cover a large amount of territory,

So we will just keep extending tours, stoping people from being discharged even though they did their time, and reducing the time between deployments of our service personal.

For someone who claims they research the facts you seem rather uniformed. Do you realize that Iraq is about 2 1/2 times as big and has 1 1/2 times the population that as South Vietnam had?

 

[Termagant]

Why is there a parade of our tired Bush apologists trudging through this thread in response to an anti-Bush tirade at a concert?

Careful guys, if the Dixie Chicks sneeze Bush might blow over!!!

Its so sad how bad of a president he is.

 

[db]

Originally posted by: db
The Bush Administration has wisely avoided a draft...

Perhaps I was not clear enough. Bush doesn't want a draft b/c he knows that the opposition in the streets of America and the outcry would be too great to continue his war.

And "convinced" the MSM to not show caskets means that the MSM was strong-armed by the Administration into not showing them.

When American death is personal on a daily basis, b/c you see caskets coming home every night on the TV, and b/c you know that you could be drafted tomorrow to go die, then that sensitivity means that there is less chance Bush would be able to continue his war--people would say "This insanity has to stop!".