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Rafael Palmeiro suspended for 10 games for violating MLB's drug policy!

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
i do wonder, at this point... most people would say only the last decade was steroid tainted (see when palmeiro's numbers shot up after meeting canseco at the Rangers) but could prior decades have seen performance enhancing drugs?
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AAS have been around athletics since the 50's really, and didn't have this propaganda campaign waged against them until the 80's. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if pitchers in particular had been given synthetic hormones at some point in the 60's-80's by MD's for the recuperative effects.

AFAIK, MLB still refuses to seriously address their amphetamine problem which has been going on since before Jim Bouton talked about it in Ball Four in the late 60's.

 
Originally posted by: Beowulf
HBO inside sports did a steroid piece and no evidence of death linked to steroids in adult males.
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Okay, couple issues with that statement - there have been unexplained deaths by highschool athletes where the only difference in their lives they could figure could possibly be the cause was they began using steroids within the past year. So their not adults, and not "definitive proof", but it's something you cannot dismiss.

Originally posted by: Preyhunter
I'm not defending Palmiero in any way, but just so you know the new ballpark for the Rangers opened in 1994 and is very hitter-friendly.
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But Palmeiro moved to and played in Baltimore starting the '94 season up through '98.


Originally posted by: SludgeFactory
All the anti-steroid rhetoric aside, what makes you so sure Frank Thomas is clean?
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Call it a "hunch". In Palmeiro's case (and many other suspects, including those Canseco named in his book), there's a lot of evidence that makes you go "hmmm..."
 
Researching his statistics, his batting average actually went down from his career average after Canseco was traded to the Rangers. His homeruns went up from 22 the year before to 37, and RBIs up from 85 to 105. His total # of hits, doubles, and triples were all below his career average as well. If anything, I'd say that he was only maturing as a player. He maintained his performance over the next 10 years. This would indicate that he was using steroids for 10+ years.. which would have some very obvious, and negative affects on his health and appearance. However, Rafael has played in a minimum of 143 games each season since 1995, with 111 his first year in Baltimore (1994). He has shown no outward signs of chronic steroid abuse, and hasn't had to take games off for it.
 
what is worse than getting caught in a lie? getting caught in a lie and then making up some cya story that is total bullsh!t.
 
Originally posted by: Phokus
I think we need to retest Jason Giambi, he looks like he's on the juice again.
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he already admitted it and went thru withdrawals...i 'don't' think he's stoopid enuff to do it again...lol
 
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Researching his statistics, his batting average actually went down from his career average after Canseco was traded to the Rangers.
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I don't think this thread needs to go on much longer... but come on! Starting with '92, his batting averages were .268, in comes Canseco, .295, .319, .310

Career average, .289
 
Originally posted by: cubby1223
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Researching his statistics, his batting average actually went down from his career average after Canseco was traded to the Rangers.
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I don't think this thread needs to go on much longer... but come on! Starting with '92, his batting averages were .268, in comes Canseco, .295, .319, .310

Career average, .289
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Down from his career average to that point, is what I meant. He hit .307 in 1988, .319 in 1990 and .322 in 1991.

Hell, look at Hank Aaron's stats. He hit a total of 66 homers from 1954 to 1956 (22/year), and then hit 44 in 1957. That's double his average up to that point. He also had an almost 50% increase in RBIs, from an average of 89 to 132 in 1957. Continuing on from that point, he only hit less than 30 homeruns for 2 years out of 17. His batting average also increased by 29 points in 1959, 50 points above his career average.

While we're at it, let's look at Willie Mays. In 1951 (he only played 34 games in 52), he had 20 homeruns, 68 RBIs, and an average of .274. In 1954 (he didn't play in 53), he hit 41 homeruns, had 110 RBIs, and an average of .345. Continuing from here, he hit atleast 29 homers for 13 straight seasons, with 11 of those being 34+.

Do you see now that these numbers don't matter? Players mature and have good seasons. Great players have great stretches.
 
Originally posted by: isasir
Originally posted by: KLin
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2123596&CMP=OTC-DT9705204233

Looks like it was stanozolol, a man-made anabolic steroid that was found.
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Yup, and basically I read that there's no way this particular steroid can "accidentally" end up in your body.
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Since it can be orally taken, there is a slight possibility that it could've been a mistake if it was mixed in with other pills. But I highly, highly doubt that.
 
Just a question..HOw long does the roids stay in your body..

In other words...how long od u have to go clean before you can pass a test.
 
Originally posted by: RadioHead84
Just a question..HOw long does the roids stay in your body..

In other words...how long od u have to go clean before you can pass a test.
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Something like Winstrol...probably 3-6 months.
 
Originally posted by: KLin
Originally posted by: shortspanishguy
Originally posted by: Beowulf
http://www.lstoo.com/upload/HBO_Steroids.wmv
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I commend you for posting this link. Its time the sensationalism and ignorance stops.
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What ignorance? He violated the steroid policy, he was suspended, and he has put his HOF chances in serious jeopardy.
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Im not referring to palmeiro. I agree that it should not be in sports but there is tons of misinformation on this topic (STEROIDS IN GENERAL). I hope baseball goes down in flames anyways. Once again, I do NOT condone steroids in sports.
 
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