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SlowSpyder said:
I was trying to let this go and leave the thread on its original track, but if you guys want to keep it going here I'll be happy to continue my arguments and discuss how loony, emotional, and non-logical the anti-gun side is.
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emotional, yes. when you can directly connect the preventable murders of thousands of people over the years to easy and unregulated access to guns, the conversation becomes emotional. Loony is also appropriate in only the absurdly predictable tack ALL debates on this topic take. 'Patriots' (gun rights) bullying 'Libtards' (gun control) with recycled talking points from AM, conservative radio and 'Snowflakes' dismissing 'Rednecks' as ignorant and regressive. I'm actually a gun owner in the state of California where the restrictions are some of the strictest and most asinine in the country. I take issue with some of the government involvement in that area of my life, but to frame this debate as some sort of struggle between patriots and communists where anything less than zero oversight on gun ownership is an affront to a God given right is absurd. Alex Jones behavior in relation to Sandy Hook was atrocious and served as red meat to a fan base that seems inconvenienced by facts. Yeah, guns don't kill people, people kill people. So why would a reasonable investigation into the mental health or criminal history of a gun buyer be such a problem? Vet the buyers. i'm not familiar with the gun laws in every state, but i do know that anyone can walk into an AZ shop and walk out with a pistol. Understandably, its a big and complex issue that's resistant to simple solutions, but the attitude of the gun rights crowd that puffs itself up with righteousness and absurd extremes (a discussion about the regulation of bump-stocks is off limits because, why?) is exhausting and counter productive. There is a civil solution, and it starts with both sides of the issue.
 
whm1974 said:
2A supporter as well, and yes I'm in favor of restrictions that prevent dangerous people from getting firearms too.
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Just wanted to chime in as another 2A supporter who still wants further restrictions. Slow doesn't understand this, though, as he's far too emotionally invested to understand there are more than two extremes on the "gun debate" or to discuss the topic logically.
 
SlowSpyder said:
You guys react so differently when the murders or terror is done with guns and gun control comes up vs. threads when those things happen with something other than a gun and discussion on limiting those freedoms to save lives is brought up. But you claim gun control is about saving lives and not about pushing a political agenda, right? Laughable.
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right, the political agenda being pushed is sensible oversight... is that something to be ashamed of?
 
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SlowSpyder said:
Don't deflect, this isn't about guns. Why don't you care about stabbing victims? How many deaths are acceptable to keep knives legal to you?
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Knives serve a necessary purpose in food preparation and all sorts of work activities. More to the point, they are low-tech implements and thus are both easy to manufacture and hence almost impossible to ban, and, for the same reason, much less effective than guns at killing multiple people or killing at a distance.

However, while I don't know about the US, there are many restrictions on the sale and possession of knives here, and I'm OK with that. Again, dunno about the US, but if you are found with a knife in a public place and can't give a good reason for it, you can be charged with an offence. And there are age restrictions on buying them, and also some laws about the kind of design of knives that can be sold (some of these laws seem a bit arbitrary to me, being about aesthetics more than functionality - e.g. the ban on 'zombie knives' might prove to be unfortunate in the event of a Walking Dead scenario - but I can live with that).

Ergo, I don't see there's much left to campaign about with respect to knives. Maybe US laws aren't so tight, but its also a question of culture. There's still no comparison with guns.
 
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