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Radeon X800GT IS OUT! $165.00

SM 2.0 8 pipes no thanks. You can get a refurb/used Radeon 9800 pro for $60 less.

Edit: oh it's pci-e..well nonetheless its still an SM 2.0, HDR lacking card. I'd rather get a 6600 GT or 6800nu.
 
oh please.

3.0 is just pure marketing and hype. it has shown to be unimportant overrall

so if the X800GT beats the 6600GT in the important benchmarks, the X800GT is a definate buy over the 6600GT. I'm going to wait curiously for more reviews and comparisons

the 3.0 is just marketing stuff that bandwagoners and fanboys pick up.
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
oh please.

3.0 is just pure marketing and hype. it has shown to be unimportant overrall

so if the X800GT beats the 6600GT in the important benchmarks, the X800GT is a definate buy over the 6600GT. I'm going to wait curiously for more reviews and comparisons

the 3.0 is just marketing stuff that bandwagoners and fanboys pick up.
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They said the same of SM1.0,1.1,1.3 and 2.0

Why is it the newest generation of technology always gets dismissed as useless on a site dedicated to the newest technology?
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
oh please.

3.0 is just pure marketing and hype. it has shown to be unimportant overrall

so if the X800GT beats the 6600GT in the important benchmarks, the X800GT is a definate buy over the 6600GT. I'm going to wait curiously for more reviews and comparisons

the 3.0 is just marketing stuff that bandwagoners and fanboys pick up.
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Ok what about the lack of SLI? Say someone only has $180 right now to upgrade to a new card and they have a choice of 6600 GT or X800 GT, why should they pick the X800GT that has 3 year old features and lacks SLI capability? If this person doesn't have much cash, then more than likely if they manage to mow a few lawns in the coming months they could get enough cash for another 6600 GT and enjoy some SLI action; on the other hand they'd be stuck with an X800 GT and need to buy another faster card that may not offer the performance of 2x6600 GT.

Besides, we need developers to start embracing HDR/SM 3.0 much more and selling more SM 2.0 cards that lack HDR won't help further the cause. So repeat after me: Friends don't let friends buy ATi R3xx/R4xx based cards. I too used to be like you and feel SM 3.0/HDR wasn't neccessary at this time and ATi cards were just fine but then I had an epiphany and started looking at the big picture. This isn't about ATi vs nV, its about the future of PC gaming. With the looming threat of these new consoles (PoS3/Xbollocks 360) all of us need to make a bigger push for consumers to avoid ATi's old parts and opt to purchase the nV cards with newer features instead.
 
we are talking about single cards against each other. in that regard, the X800GT has a chance to win

as for SM 3.0, yes, there will be a day when it is required. that is why ATI is incorporating it in its next GPUs. Remember when ATI said its own technology is better than 3.0

I think they are backtracking on that right now

i feel that since so few games use 3.0, it is not a big criteria to go by if you want to buy a graphics card. if you play Chaos Theory all the time and feel a need for 3.0, then yes, get the 6600GT instead. we may see a different picture by next year, but by then both companies will have 3.0 in their cards

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wow, never realized that there were so many graphics card fanboys, lol
 
No I do not own stock in nV and I don't see how you could interpret my above post as fanboyish, especially after I explain my reasoning to you. I was accused of being an ATi employee here before as well when I endorsed their cards..sigh.

Edit: He asked if I had nv stock before editing his post above.
 
when you say friends don't let friends buy R3xx/R4xx and generalizations, its kind of suspicious. also, i've read other threads, and the favoritism definately shows.

as for ATI's old parts, I would consider the X800 series, especially the X800XL on par with nvdia. it has 2.0 instead of the 3.0 of the 6800GT, but in the games I play, it performs better.

by the way, my next card will most likely by 7800GT. and no, I did not come to that decision based on 3.0 support. Its simply a superior card to anything that ATI has at the moment and is a better buy than even its top performing card
 
Well you can go further back in my post history and find quite the opposite of what I'm endorsing now. In fact I am partial to ATi products since I feel they have better overall IQ than nV. However since their current cards lack the features of nV's offerings, I feel it would be a waste to purchase an ATi SM 2.0 card - especially since it would only serve to stagnate the PC gaming industry even more.
 
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Well you can go further back in my post history and find quite the opposite of what I'm endorsing now. In fact I am partial to ATi products since I feel they have better overall IQ than nV. However since their current cards lack the features of nV's offerings, I feel it would be a waste to purchase an ATi SM 2.0 card - especially since it would only serve to stagnate the PC gaming industry even more.
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i don't think the pc gaming industry is going to move ahead or backwards based on sm 3.0 support. Market trends are based on several factors, are pixel shaders a significant decision maker when it comes to pc games? Sure, its a new tech, games look better on it.

as for your past history of supporting ati or nvidia, sorry, i was not referring to you, just speaking in general.

pc gaming is on the rise, although there are few genres it seems nowadays. some companies have left the pc business and are focusing on consoles instead, what a shame.

also, remember that some pc gamers may not utilize the latest tech. how is 3.0 going to be useful when play a rts? Or a 2d game from 9 years ago?
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Well you can go further back in my post history and find quite the opposite of what I'm endorsing now. In fact I am partial to ATi products since I feel they have better overall IQ than nV. However since their current cards lack the features of nV's offerings, I feel it would be a waste to purchase an ATi SM 2.0 card - especially since it would only serve to stagnate the PC gaming industry even more.
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i don't think the pc gaming industry is going to move ahead or backwards based on sm 3.0 support. Market trends are based on several factors, are pixel shaders a significant decision maker when it comes to pc games? Sure, its a new tech, games look better on it.

as for your past history of supporting ati or nvidia, sorry, i was not referring to you, just speaking in general.

pc gaming is on the rise, although there are few genres it seems nowadays. some companies have left the pc business and are focusing on consoles instead, what a shame.

also, remember that some pc gamers may not utilize the latest tech. how is 3.0 going to be useful when play a rts? Or a 2d game from 9 years ago?
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Well SM 3.0 can be useful for any game, RTS or not since it is just a way of programming shaders. AOE III is an RTS that utilizes HDR that I know about. Anyhow, PC developers will not feel compelled to include newer features like HDR or more effecient SM 3.0 in their code if they feel there is not enough people with the hardware to purchase their games. Hence they will continue to support older features for years to come which is something we all shoudl want to avoid. Just look at how badly the GF4MX and Radeon 9000 etc held back the industry because they were crappy cards that lacked in features compared to their bigger brothers. At least nVidia has moved away from that practice and it seems ATi will do the same once R520 is released but for now ATi cards should be avoided.
 
you're simply implieing that every potential buyer of a graphics card is looking at this particular feature. remember, different people have different needs and play different games.

remember, the graphics card industry evolves over time, things change gradually. the high end gpus eventually become the low end gpus and the low end gpus eventually get taken off the shelves.

the geforce 400 series and radeon 9000 held pc gaming back? did they somehow inflict their slowlessness (oops!) into 9800? if i remember correctly, the 9000 was realeased around the same time as the Radeon 9700 Pro.

radeon 9700 pro moved the gaming industry forward. John Carmack used the 9700 Pro to showcase Doom 3 on E3 that summer. i still remember how much of a shock it was to see that ati had dethrone nvidia finally from the top. i think after that, ati took a bit of a hit. although the geforce 5900 series was a dissapointment overral as the 9800 pro was a better card (the varioes flavors of both cards included).
 
Of course cards like the GF4MX and Radeon 9000 held the industry back. Why do you think it took SM 2.0 so long to get off the ground? It was because the vast majority of budget gamers out there were buying the 9000/GF4MX in droves while only the enthusiast crowd bought the 9700/5900. Hell even Carmacks engine is not very advanced feature wise apart from its shadow and lighting (that doesn't even require a very advanced card to utilize). Gamers needs can be equally served if they use newer technology rather than older tech.
 
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
No I do not own stock in nV and I don't see how you could interpret my above post as fanboyish, especially after I explain my reasoning to you. I was accused of being an ATi employee here before as well when I endorsed their cards..sigh.
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5150-
I have to say I'm impressed.
The only thing I would say in this thread is "Kudos 5150".

You hit it all on the head- we don't need anymore R3/R4 cards, only R5 cards.
 
Maybe I'm just uninformed, but why would someone get an x800GT when they can get the x800 vanilla for about the same price (maybe cheaper), albiet with some rebates? Sure the vanilla doesn't OC as much, but it does have 4 extra pipes. This kinda looks like the X850Pro vs x800xl battle.
 
The real Fanboys are the ones that ignore new features as useless as they try to push outdated cards out the door. Just because ATI got caught with their pants down doesn't mean that a feature any feature is useless. We as group need to stop purchasing this list of parts. Monitors without DVI, Printers with a LPT connector, Mice and keyboards with PS2 connectors, Non-HD tvs, Lower featured video cards. As long as people continue to buy these thing the longer things will be developed for them. Its like glide in the onld days, towards the end of 3Dfx game developers were still using Glide even though it was as good as OpenGL just because Glide developed games ran faster then OpenGL on 3Dfx cards. They did this because More people had voodoo 1s and voodoos 2 then any other products.
 
I like the dual DVI on the Powercolor card, but I don't like the lack of YPbPr output. Looks to be a decent overclocker with decent performance for an 8 pipe card.
 
Wow.... Nice to see all these Nvidia fanboys.. Were talking about hte Lowend here guys. By the time the next generation of games come out, and they all use SM3.0, your video card will likely crap out on you.... or you don't care enough. Sure there are a few unimportant games that use SM3.0 today, but if you don't plan on playing those few games, then ATI cards are an awesome buy. I guess Nvidia has all you guys fooled. Its kinda like AMD with 64 bit..... They came out with it in 2003, but mainstream users have yet to see the benefit.... Sure linux supports it, but everyone wants a windows 64 bit OS, and currently XP64 does nothing that XP32 can't do.

Yes, and I do own a 6800GT, because it performs well in the low end games I play, as well as in Doom3.
 
The 475MHz/490 MHz clocks means that this card is a decent bit faster than the 9800 series. The sad fact that it's an 8 pipeline card based on the R4xx architecture being released this late in the game means that ATI is having to draw deep from their bag of tricks to keep up with Nvidia.

The $165 price tag isn't exactly spectacular either. This is looks like a cry for help from ATI IMO. If they want this thing to sell, they're going to have to be very agressive with the price.
 
... This thing is competing with the 6600GT, which is also 8 pipes... I agree that the price is a little heavy, but usually prices are less than the MSRP.... If it sells for 150, then if your not playing a SM3.0 game then the X800GT is a no brainer.
 
The sad fact that it's an 8 pipeline card based on the R4xx architecture being released this late in the game means that ATI is having to draw deep from their bag of tricks to keep up with Nvidia.
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It could just as easily be a way of moving out these cores. There may have been a fair number due to the poor yields initially. 1 poor quad ends up a pro, 2 poor quads ends up a GT. They do need to get the price down to make it compelling for me.
 
If they were selling it for $120 it would make sence. However, $160 is way too much for the card, even if it does slightly beat the 6600gt. If you can get a significantly faster x800 vanilla for that money, who in their right mind would buy the x800gt? Even if it did have sm3, hdr, sli and all that crap, I think most people would take a faster 12 pipe sm2 card over a slower 8 pipe sm2/sm3 card.

The fact that it has no sm3 or sli wont matter much for cards of this class because soo they will be in the lower-midrange category and are not likely to be running games with ful leye candy anyways. But $160 is a high price.
 
This is to compete with the 6600GT guys....... The PCI-E 6600GT is around 150 right now, even though it was down to 130 a few weeks back... It outperforms the 6600GT but doesn't have those extra perks that are useless to alot of people right now.
 
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