Radeon X800 (R420) 20% faster than NV40 (Geforce 6800)

[raildogg]

This is just to inform the people who are going to buy their next vid card, to keep this in mind.

Taken from PC Gamer. Hehe.

In an interview with Valve Software tech guru

Q: Please share your thoughts on latest generation of graphics technology - NV40 (Geforce 6800) and R420 (Radeon X800). Is one technology better than the other for Half Life 2? By how much? Why?

A: The X800 is faster for Half Life 2 by roughly 20 percent - the 6800 supports standard full precision, but it's more optimal with partial precision. The X800 is designed for full precision from the ground up.

 

[UptheMiddle]

Which company has had more time/opportunity to tailor their drivers for HL2?

 

[John]

An X800 Pro vs. a vanilla 6800.....I would hope the ATI is faster.

 

[rbV5]

Thanks, your post really clears it up for me. I hate all those details and stuff that get in the way of an informed opinon:thumbsup:

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: John
An X800 Pro vs. a vanilla 6800.....I would hope the ATI is faster.

Yes, and 20% is not much to be proud of considering that these cards have a $70+ price delta.

 

[klah]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articl...ics-cards-2004_26.html

 

[HelliKoid]

he means 6800 GT of course.
and its, then 20% faster with a x800 pro than wit a 6800 GT. (Yes!)
even may have an ati intro? dunno.
hey for 1 single game they make optimized for ati, all games i see their all with tha nvidia logo-optim.

 

[sph1nx]

If you look at the source stress test benchmarks, the 6800 GT actually is faster then the x800 (marginally). Also, as was said before, keep in mind that nVidia has not optimized any of their drivers (to my knowledge at least), and we can expect them to work on that once the game is actually released, just as ATI did with DOOM 3 when it came out. Personally, I am going with a GT because the nVidia cards are more well rounded, they may not be as fast in Direct 3D apps, but they are better in that then ATI is in OpenGL (absolutely TERRIBLE). You can also read this in PC Gamer - the 6800 GT is a superior card to the x800 pro (the XT is another matter entirely). Anywho, that is my 2 cents, good Lord, I used A LOT of parenthesis.

 

[OMGoddess]

Which company is Valve getting their money from right now?

 

[sph1nx]

Originally posted by: OMGoddess
Which company is Valve getting their money from right now?

Whatever do you mean, Valve is completely unbiased, just like they were completely honest as to why the game was delayed . They have to be advertising for ATI since they completely screwed them over with the release of the 9600xt and 9800xt that were SUPPOSED to ship with HL2.

P.S. I have an ATI card, but I know that the 6800 series will run it just fine, the stress test kind of proves that. And as I said before, nobody can deny that the 6800 GT is a better card then the x800 pro. Not only that, but it is actually new technology, I was dissapointed to hear that ATI just gave the r300 core steroids for this round of cards. r500 should be sweet though.

 

[XBoxLPU]

Doom 3 = Nvidia
Hl2 = ATI

 

[OMGoddess]

Pretty much sums it up right there.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Link to benchmarks of retail game please.

Oh, that's right, there aren't any.

- M4H

 

[HankScorpio]

Here's some info I compiled

-Prices may vary

-Based on tests from (http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/over2k4/)

(Chipset)(Performance Ratio)(Price Ratio)(Value)(Price)--[sorted by value]

(GeForce 6800 128MB DDR 256bit AA+AF)(1.452024439)(0.841904762)(0.610119677)($270)

(GeForce 6800 256MB GDDR3 256bit AA+AF)(1.543121755)(1.005952381)(0.537169374)($323)

(GeForce FX5900XT 128MB DDR 256bit AA+AF)(1.031794075)(0.53547619)(0.496317884)($172)

(GeForce FX5900 128MB DDR 256bit AA+AF)(1.043735689)(0.572619048)(0.471116642)($184)

(RADEON 9800 PRO 128MB DDR 256bit AA+AF)(1.065064415)(0.60047619)(0.464588225)($193)

(RADEON 9800 128MB DDR 256bit AA+AF)(0.939217644)(0.492142857)(0.447074787)($158)

(GeForce 6800GT 256MB GDDR3 256bit AA+AF)(1.614775756)(1.173095238)(0.441680518)($377)

(RADEON X800 PRO 256MB DDR 256bit AA+AF)(1.50532361)(1.191666667)(0.313656943)($383)

(RADEON 9800 XT 256MB DDR 256bit AA+AF)(1.250061576)(0.950238095)(0.299823481)($305)

(RADEON 9800 PRO 256MB DDR 256bit AA+AF)(1.140178467)(0.86047619)(0.279702276)($276)

(GeForce 6800 Ultra 256MB GDDR3 256bit AA+AF)(1.666824658)(1.686904762)(-0.020080104)($541)

(GeForce FX5950 Ultra 256MB DDR 256bit AA+AF)(1.067722092)(1.142142857)(-0.074420766)($367)

(RADEON X800 XT PE 256MB DDR 256bit AA+AF)(1.645379464)(1.946904762)(-0.301525298)($625)

 

[HelliKoid]

if u wanna bet, heh, no need for benches of HL2 now ,even if 6800 gt has a bit more fps on cs : source, so what (as seen on A Benchmrk, not the same results in various benches) in HL2 with full details and gamestuff that cs has not , u´ll see.it s official, HL 2 will run better with an x800 pro than a 6800 gt (even if about cs source not the same)
AND think about truform and 3Dc , maybe better IQ with x800? hehe -YES

 

[OMGoddess]

I don't doubt that the X800 will preform better then the 6800. It should conisdering all the time valve gave ATi to optimize it. Besides this type of stuff is good. It makes companies go out of their way to make things better.

 

[imported_Phil]

Originally posted by: XBoxLPU
Doom 3 = Nvidia
Hl2 = ATI

Yup. Seeing as I found Doom III to be vastly overhyped and a waste of my time (not to mention cash), I'm betting the farm on Half Life 2.

 

[OMGoddess]

Originally posted by: Dopefiend

Originally posted by: XBoxLPU
Doom 3 = Nvidia
Hl2 = ATI

Yup. Seeing as I found Doom III to be vastly overhyped and a waste of my time (not to mention cash), I'm betting the farm on Half Life 2.

I could say the same thing backwards. DOOM3 got perfect ratings from most reviewers, and so is HL2. From the nearly dozens of videos of HL2, it looks to me absolutly nothing special.

 

[SonicIce]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Link to benchmarks of retail game please.

Oh, that's right, there aren't any.

- M4H

This is true along with the fact that drivers aren't optimised.

 

[OMGoddess]

You guys are making me drool.

 

[thegimp03]

If ATI would spend some time and fix their drivers for OGL games, I might consider buying another one of their cards. But since I play mostly opengl games (ie: quake, call of duty, doom 3) I'll still be buying a 6800 soon.
nVidia crushed ATI cards in Doom 3 because ATI does not pay much attention to openGL....I would say that ATI has a relatively marginal victory in HL2, but HL2 graphics aren't even half as good as Doom 3's so big deal.

 

[OMGoddess]

I sitll wouldn't buy it, because looking at the hardware, Nvidia's is still superior, they also kinda suck at making optimized software/code.

 

[darkswordsman17]

The 6800GT is still the better card IMO. In quite a bit of instances where the Pro used to beat the GT, its now the other way around. There are hardly any benchmarks that show the Pro winning, and then there's the fact that a lot of GT owners are running Ultra speeds or better without any problems.

Then like was already said, nVidia hasn't had time to optimize for it, while Valve probably spent the last year optimizing their game for ATi cards. Also, if nvidia gets SLI up and running well, then they could probably claim that running dual 6800 Ultras would be the best way to play the game (sure its not price conscious, but that doesn't matter as it could still be claimed to be the best performer).

I wonder if Valve will patch HL2 for SM3.0. Probably not until ATi gets a card that supports it.

The fact remains, we'll have to see when AT and other places benchmark the actual game.

 

[thegimp03]

I wonder if Valve will patch HL2 for SM3.0. Probably not until ATi gets a card that supports it.

Rightio! :beer:

 

[OMGoddess]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
. Also, if nvidia gets SLI up and running well, then they could probably claim that running dual 6800 Ultras would be the best way to play the game (sure its not price conscious, but that doesn't matter as it could still be claimed to be the best performer).

That and some people are so hardcore, they'd sell their firstborn to pay whatever it takes.