Radeon HD 6790 based on Barts LE with 800 SPs [nordichardware.com]

[-Slacker-]

lol

So when are we going to see some more reviews from this HD 9763?

 

[cusideabelincoln]

lol

So when are we going to see some more reviews from this HD 9763?

Silly rabbit, when we get to 9000 we'll be treated with the honoring of history: The NEW 9700 PRO!!!! Same name, different game!

 

[blckgrffn]

Silly rabbit, when we get to 9000 we'll be treated with the honoring of history: The NEW 9700 PRO!!!! Same name, different game!

I am more interested in the 9500 Pro. They better honor that and not have it be some gimped low end part. Make it the $150 monster that it was

My 9500 Pro was my longest used video card...

But seriously, 16 ROPS? That's disappointing... At least a compromise like 24 would have slotted it ahead of the 5770/5750... Probably would have resulted in a weird memory layout though.

The die shrink can't get here soon enough, all these recycled parts and configurations are getting stale!

 

[Phynaz]

With 16 ROPs, doesn't that pretty much make this card a 5770 with twice the memory bandwidth? Same number of shaders at roughly the same clockspeed with the same number of texture units.

Yep.

And the 5770 isn't bandwidth starved unless you go nutso with something like 24X AA.

 

[busydude]

This is looks even worse than the 5830.

 

[blckgrffn]

This is looks even worse than the 5830.

I guess it beats the nvidia card it is slotted against? So, yay? Bleh.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally Posted by jiffylube1024
I don't really like where AMD is going with their naming - the 6990 is a dual GPU card, while the 6790 is a single GPU cut down 6870. Why not just call it what it is - the 6830?

I agree with this. Between Intel and the whole iX, and AMD's graphics cards....I feel sorry for people who are not educated on parts these days.

It's not 6830 b/c the 5830 was such a turd.

Quite surprising that you wouldn't mention gtx 560 ti, gtx 560, gtx 460, gtx 460 768, and gtx 460 se while criticizing intel/amd in the naming dept. At least with amd people who can access google or newegg even can tell the difference; with 5 cards sharing a variation on only 2 names confusion is guaranteed.

 

[bryanW1995]

Do you not know the history of these cards? 465 using the same power as a 470. 5830 using same power as 5850. It's to be expected. Also, note, actual real-world power consumption tests have not been done yet, so we don't know where it exactly falls. A bigger crime is the 550Ti, a completely different and smaller chip, using as much power as the 460-768MB.

Your question is pretty pointless. It isn't particularly "ok", but history has shown us there is nothing we can do about these harvested chips. They are what they are. However he has a point. Also, your original comment about the 460-768 is so narrow-minded and limited. You don't include any quantifiers to back up your statement. As far as I know, a 5770 and 550 (or 450) are pretty much cheaper than the 460. They also use less power.

gtx 460 768 has been widely available for months for $90 AR. lowest street price I've seen on 5770 is $80 AR. can't complain about either of those deals, esp since the 460 has a large enough rebate that many users would opt for the safety of the cheaper 5770. I haven't seen any 550's close in price to either of these cards.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

Yep.

And the 5770 isn't bandwidth starved unless you go nutso with something like 24X AA.

And IIRC AMD themselves has stated the 5770 is a balanced card, and various reviewers (BFG at ABT) has confirmed it. The only logic is that they have enough bad Barts chips to warrant this card, because I don't see a need for it from a performance standpoint. 16 ROPs... that's kind of a joke for this card. 5830 could sort of get away with it because it had more TUs and shaders.

 

[busydude]

I guess it beats the nvidia card it is slotted against? So, yay? Bleh.

5770 does that too!.. there is no point in releasing the same card with a different model number.

 

[railven]

5770 does that too!.. there is no point in releasing the same card with a different model number.

Of course there is! Now I'll probably be getting into Semantics, but isn't the 5770 Core (Redwood or Cedar forgot it's name) EOL yet? Something has to take's it place.

Whether performance isn't where we want it, they took what they had in current product and slapped a sticker in it.

It's funny that you'd say the 6790 is the same as the 5770 but would you say the 6870 is the same as the 5780? And why?

 

[busydude]

Now I'll probably be getting into Semantics, but isn't the 5770 Core (Redwood or Cedar forgot it's name) EOL yet? Something has to take's it place.

5770 and 5750 are not EOL.

6870, at launch, was better than 5870 only in price/performance(Cost a lot lower for the performance provided) metric and an improvement in tessellation capabilities. 6790 performs similar to 5770 and cost's even more.

5870 for $179 is better than all the cards in the price range.

 

[bryanW1995]

Is there an echo in here? You posted the same thing yesterday.

How about you provide proof that a HD5770 is worthless compared to a gtx460. Oh, you can't, because something that is worthless doesn't sell for $100.

LOW POWER CONSUMPTION HAS VALUE TO PEOPLE.

The above is a fact. It may not fit in with your world view, but it is a fact nonetheless.

Ok I owned a 5770 and now own a gtx460 and compared to the gtx460 the 5770 was worthless. There is your proof. Why? because the 5770 could not achieve above 30 fps in some of my games, so yes it was worthless.

And the lower power consumption didn't make it any faster.

What are you guys arguing about? From a pure performance standpoint, the gtx 460 768 is much faster than 5770. However, it is also true that power consumption in this low/mid category is often a concern. And all of you are too high on your prices for both cards.

 

[bryanW1995]

No reason for me to lie , I know everybody on this forum knows what cards I've bought.

I was talking about performance and my 5750 @ 900 core was = to or faster than a 5770. Same freaking thing.



I think you missed post #80.

My gtx 260 core 216 had a factory OC to 655 core, but I never told people that I had a gtx 275. Not everybody here stalks you so much that we remember which card you had, I certainly don't. And a stock 5770 after overclocking would be faster than a 5750 after overclocking almost every single time.

 

[Phynaz]

5770 does that too!.. there is no point in releasing the same card with a different model number.

Sure there is, marketing.

Bigger number = better, didn't you know that?

 

[bryanW1995]

If this card ever gets to the $100 price it would be worth it to me to replace my 5750. I only paid $75 shipped for my 5750 about 10 months ago, so I may be able to sell it for the price I paid for it?

Edit: If the specs are right in that review then only having 16 rops is what killed the expected performance of the card? I'm guessing most thought it would be 32 rops or just me?

Oh, crap, so it really is a 6830 in all but name... at least it's priced more competitively than 5830 was. Of course, pricing on gtx 460 768 is still going to be under pressure b/c of the lack of vram, so AMD and/or Nvidia can/will price slower cards at similar or even higher levels.

 

[bryanW1995]

And IIRC AMD themselves has stated the 5770 is a balanced card, and various reviewers (BFG at ABT) has confirmed it. The only logic is that they have enough bad Barts chips to warrant this card, because I don't see a need for it from a performance standpoint. 16 ROPs... that's kind of a joke for this card. 5830 could sort of get away with it because it had more TUs and shaders.

I remember reading the writeup and several forum posts from brent justice @ HOCP when 5770 came out, he also felt very strongly that 5770 was very balanced. It's amazing to see how well its price has held up over the past few years, I guess the card wasn't so bad, afterall.

 

[busydude]

I remember reading the writeup and several forum posts from brent justice @ HOCP when 5770 came out, he also felt very strongly that 5770 was very balanced. It's amazing to see how well its price has held up over the past few years, I guess the card wasn't so bad, afterall.

I have been using 5770 for a long time.. and haven't felt the need to upgrade.. it just works fine. Maybe i'll upgrade my VC for DiRT 3..

 

[AtenRa]

First review

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_6790/1.html

edit: sorry just show the other topic

 

[cusideabelincoln]

I remember reading the writeup and several forum posts from brent justice @ HOCP when 5770 came out, he also felt very strongly that 5770 was very balanced. It's amazing to see how well its price has held up over the past few years, I guess the card wasn't so bad, afterall.

Price makes or breaks a card, and Ryan Smith agrees:

The problem with the 6790, much like the 5830 before it is pricing. When you can pick up a GeForce GTX 460 768MB for $150 or a Radeon HD 6850 for $10 more, what sense does a $150 6790 make? It doesn’t make any sense, and there’s the problem. The impression I get is that AMD wanted to make a card to thoroughly trample the GTX 550 Ti, and indeed the 6790 can do that. The problem is that they’re pricing it against the GTX 460 and 6850 right now. The GTX 550 Ti is a good $20 lower (and probably should be cheaper still).

At the right price any* card can be good. Take the 460 768MB. When launched I thought the card itself was foolish. In fact I still think it's foolish for it to even exist. If the card was only $10-15 cheaper than the 1GB version then it would have been a forgettable card, because that extra 256MB is worth the money (in my very strong opinion). But since the Galaxy version has seen tremendous discounts, the 768MB was made relevant.

The $150 price launch for the 6790 is the same mistake Nvidia made with the 550 Ti. Well, perhaps if the 6790 wasn't quite so crippled it would be justified, but the end result is that 16 ROPs is holding the card back and it's no faster than a 5830, and I've seen the 5830 be under $150 for several months. The price needs to drop, and I think we'll see it drop the same the 550 Ti's price dropped. It should be closer in price to the 550 Ti.

And ideally both the 550 Ti and this 6790 shouldn't be much more than a 5770. Also the 5830 and 460-768 are going for good prices, but it's hard to factor in cards with large rebates and that may be gone from the market soon.

 

[-Slacker-]

First review

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_6790/1.html

edit: sorry just show the other topic

Looks like it's faster than the 550ti in everything except hawx and far cry 2, which is to be expected.

Why did they use catalyst 11.1 for the other radeons, though?

 

[nanaki333]

this thread is giving me a headache with all the 5750 - 5770 * square root of 6790 /6850 + 58x0. what's the answer to this complex equation?

 

[Lonyo]

Looks like it's faster than the 550ti in everything except hawx and far cry 2, which is to be expected.

Why did they use catalyst 11.1 for the other radeons, though?

Because they don't rebench all the cards for new reviews.

 

[Skurge]

this thread is giving me a headache with all the 5750 - 5770 * square root of 6790 /6850 + 58x0. what's the answer to this complex equation?

lol, you n00b. The answer is 0.

 

[RussianSensation]

With HD6850 ~ $150 and HD5870 ~ $180, this card doesn't make any sense. Its MSRP should be <$120.