Radeon HD 6790 based on Barts LE with 800 SPs [nordichardware.com]

[Will Robinson]

Ok I owned a 5770 and now own a gtx460 and compared to the gtx460 the 5770 was worthless

Was that a different card to the 5750 you had just before you bought your current card?
What made you buy a slower one after the 5770?

 

[RaistlinZ]

It should have been named HD6830 IMO if it's using the same core as the other two HD68xx cards. I wonder about the price and performance too...

I agree. But they probably didn't want people bringing up old bad memories of the failed 5830. On paper it looks to be a decent card if priced around the $140.00 mark. Should make for an inexpensive CrossFire setup too.

 

[-Slacker-]

Ok I owned a 5770 and now own a gtx460 and compared to the gtx460 the 5770 was worthless. There is your proof. Why? because the 5770 could not achieve above 30 fps in some of my games, so yes it was worthless.

And the lower power consumption didn't make it any faster.

You typed "5770 3 times in the same paragraph, so I'll have to assume it was intentional...

 

[cusideabelincoln]

And the lower power consumption didn't make it any faster.

But lower power consumption makes it a viable option for OEM systems or those with weak power supplies. Not everyone needs any more performance, anyway. And since it is also cheaper, it makes it an option for those who don't want to spend more money.

....

You're arguing against the card based on your, and only your, needs. And this is NOT what Phynaz was arguing.

 

[happy medium]

You typed "5770 3 times in the same paragraph, so I'll have to assume it was intentional...

Well my 5750 was faster than a 5770, same thing.

I thought the 6750 and 6770 were for OEm's and used lower voltage? Is this card gonna have 150 watts with 2 6 pin connectors or not?

 

[Mistwalker]

Ok I owned a 5770 and now own a gtx460 and compared to the gtx460 the 5770 was worthless. There is your proof. Why? because the 5770 could not achieve above 30 fps in some of my games, so yes it was worthless.

If you did not in fact own a 5770, please don't say you did to prove a point. Lying is not going to help your credibility or your case.

And the lower power consumption didn't make it any faster.

His point, which you have blatantly ignored multiple times now, is that there are criteria other than gaming performance people might use when evaluating a card.

 

[happy medium]

If you did not in fact own a 5770, please don't say you did to prove a point. Lying is not going to help your credibility or your case.

No reason for me to lie , I know everybody on this forum knows what cards I've bought.

I was talking about performance and my 5750 @ 900 core was = to or faster than a 5770. Same freaking thing.

His point, which you have blatantly ignored multiple times now, is that there are criteria other than gaming performance people might use when evaluating a card.

I think you missed post #80.

 

[dakU7]

Evga gtx460 1gb SSC @ 850 core is 175$ on newegg and is faster then the 6870. (not by much)

Factory overclocked Galaxy gtx460 1gb is 139$ AR on newegg (with the factory overclock should be very close to a 6850)

Galaxy gtx460 768mb is 114$ AR on newegg and makes the 5770, gtx550, and the new 6790 just about worthless.

I would say this new card needs to be about 120$ to make it worth it.

I seriously don't see how a 80$ 5770 is worthless, it has alot more performance/dollar than a 460 768mb. It might make the 460 worthless.
BTW, I remember a 5750 in your sig, not a 5770. True, it was overclocked and was probably faster than a stock 5770, but a 5770 is no slouch when it comes to overclocking either.

 

[happy medium]

I seriously don't see how a 80$ 5770 is worthless, it has alot more performance/dollar than a 460 768mb. It might make the 460 worthless.
BTW, I remember a 5750 in your sig, not a 5770. True, it was overclocked and was probably faster than a stock 5770, but a 5770 is no slouch when it comes to overclocking either.

Well hey for 80$ its not bad. Most of the time I've seen it at $100+.
I remember seeing the gtx460 768 for 93$ for about a month.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

Well hey for 80$ its not bad. Most of the time I've seen it at $100+.
I remember seeing the gtx460 768 for 93$ for about a month.

But it's not now, so that's irrelevant. Way too many strawmens being created. Stop it. It's frustrating, and goes nowhere.

 

[Skurge]

Its funny how u call a card that you no pricing nr performance information on worthless. Would you reverse your stance if th 6790 is 130 and faster than the 460 768mb? Those overclocked 460s use up to 100w more than 6850s. Thats almost double the power, to some people that is a big deal. Also i saw you dismis the 5870s pricing cause it was eol and last gen and considered the slower more expensive 560 a better buy. By your logic a 550 is a better buy than the 460 768mb.

 

[happy medium]

But it's not now, so that's irrelevant. Way too many strawmens being created. Stop it. It's frustrating, and goes nowhere.

Thats your opinion, oh well!

 

[happy medium]

Its funny how u call a card that you no pricing nr performance information on worthless

Read my post , I said with performance near a 5830 it should be about 120$ or it is worthless. Especially if you can geta gtx460 768 factory overclocked for 114$.

As far as power comsumption is concerned , last I heard it has 2 6 pins and consumes ~150 watts.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

Thats your opinion, oh well!

It's not an opinion.

Read my post , I said with performance near a 5830 it should be about 120$ or it is worthless. Especially if you can geta gtx460 768 factory overclocked for 114$.

The card should be faster than a 5830, and will probably overclock better. The card should also be faster than a GTX 460-768MB. It's going to have more memory and much higher memory bandwidth. That is going to give it an edge over the 460-768MB that the 460 just can't make up via overclocking.

Also you have been off on your latest predictions. The 550 is not faster than the 460. The 550 is not faster than the 6850. The 590 is not faster than the 6990. And now I believe you'll be wrong about the 6790.

As far as power comsumption is concerned , last I heard it has 2 6 pins and consumes ~150 watts.

What. Kind. Of. Logic. Is this? The power connectors on a card are an indicator of what the card can support. They do not tell us what the card will actually use. Two cards can have the same number and type of power connectors, but that doesn't mean they'll use the same amount of power. What's even worse is that someone already pointed this out in this thread. Are you even paying attention? It honestly feels like I'm talking to someone who is putting their hands over their ears and going "na na na na". The only way to know power consumption is to run tests. Also before and after your post people provided links saying it won't draw 150W. So... again... pay attention. And stop using strawman.

 

[3DVagabond]

Ok I owned a 5770 and now own a gtx460 and compared to the gtx460 the 5770 was worthless. There is your proof. Why? because the 5770 could not achieve above 30 fps in some of my games, so yes it was worthless.

And the lower power consumption didn't make it any faster.

...and your card is ($209 reg retail) $179.00AR, right now. Hardly the bargain basement variety you continually recommend to everyone. Hardly a card that I would put in the same category as a ~$130.00 MRP card either. I would surely hope it performs a lot better than cards that sell for so much less. You can get a 5770 for $99.00AR right now. You can get a 6870 for the same price as your card.

 

[Arkadrel]

Way I see it, these cards below are about equals so:

6970 = 570 in performance, so which ever is cheaper is the better buy. (obs! 6950->6970)
5870 = 560 in performance, so which ever is cheaper is the better buy.
6850 = 460 1gb in performance, so which ever is cheaper is the better buy.
5770 = 550 in performance, so which ever is cheaper is the better buy.

 

[TurtleCrusher]

This is looking to be a decent budget card.

If only this came much sooner...

 

[Arkadrel]

Read my post , I said with performance near a 5830 it should be about 120$ or it is worthless. Especially if you can geta gtx460 768 factory overclocked for 114$.

As far as power comsumption is concerned , last I heard it has 2 6 pins and consumes ~150 watts.

http://www.geeks3d.com/20110330/sapphire-radeon-hd-6790-pictured-lower-tdp/

In this news, we said the TDP of the HD 6790 would be of 150W. This is wrong. The real TDP is near 115W which is more coherent with the TDP of other Barts-based Radeon cards (HD 6850 and HD 6870).

Its going to have a TPD of 115w (says geeks3d), so its not gonna be a 150watt card.

 

[Morg.]

I thought the 550 was already dead and didn't need killing

Hey if you start that way, everything nVidia now except the 580 was dead @ launch time, because no option was ever competitive for the price.

On the other hand, it's got nVidia's name, the 3d thingy and stuff I guess. (although who'd wanna 3d on a 550 or 560 -- if you like duke nukem3d in 3d maybe).

 

[Morg.]

Way I see it, these cards below are about equals so:

6970 = 570 in performance, so which ever is cheaper is the better buy. (obs! 6950->6970)
5870 = 560 in performance, so which ever is cheaper is the better buy.
6850 = 460 1gb in performance, so which ever is cheaper is the better buy.
5770 = 550 in performance, so which ever is cheaper is the better buy.

more or less, but.no, its a bit more complicated than that afaik.
6970 > 570 . It has more or less the same benchmarks with a tiny advantage, uses less power, and has more vRAM, making a decisive point in the 1920+ resolutions and more future proofing.

Also the 6950 without the unlock (which is bound to exist sometime soon) > 560 in performance and is at comparable prices.

Also you forget 6990>590 and 6990 cheaper and better buy.

Overall, if one thinks price/ performance, the whole picture is red, with a tiny green stripe @ 500 bucks with the gtx580, and another tiny green stripe @2.000 bucks with the quad SLI gtx580.
Oops my mistake, there is no green stripe before 2000 bucks, and that's because you cannot SLI / CF beyond 4 gpus.
In fact the green stripe @ 500 bucks exists only if you think single card, my bad.

As an addition, some people like green better, some prefer red, and some people actually care about features like eyefinity or nvidia 3d (not talking about surround till they reach eyefinity specs).

 

[Phynaz]

As far as power comsumption is concerned , last I heard it has 2 6 pins and consumes ~150 watts.

You're really trying to have it both ways when it comes to power consumption.

You dismiss the HD5770's huge power advantage over the the GTX460, but yet try to say the rumored power consumption of the HD6790 is an issue.

People can easily see through this and it reflects poorly on the credibility of your posts.

 

[bryanW1995]

Not all that much slower from the outside look than the 6850. 10% lower GPU power and more memory bandwidth.
Be interesting to see if it can overclock to match the 6850, but based on that power it won't necessarily be a nice choice anyway and it doesn't say anything about price.
And not very nice for OEMs if they want a low power cheapo card.

Definitely a 5830 repeat but maybe without the terrible performance since ROPs haven't been crippled.

I would be very cautious comparing ANYTHING to 5830. That card was a turd dressed up like a chocolate cake. Hotter/more power hungry than a 5870, barely faster than 5770, too expensive, etc etc etc, it just plain sucked for the role that amd had envisioned for it. In fact, the bad PR resulting from 5830 is probably why this new, cut-down barts is going to be marketed as 6790 instead of 6830. Fortunately for AMD, they already have 6850 at $160 so they won't feel pressured to overprice the 6790.

 

[nemesismk2]

Fudzilla is reporting that this will be a great overclocker (1,000mhz + ?). I think I am a bit more enticed now...

yeah that would be an good incentive to get it

 

[WelshBloke]

Ok I owned a 5770 and now own a gtx460 and compared to the gtx460 the 5770 was worthless. There is your proof. Why? because the 5770 could not achieve above 30 fps in some of my games, so yes it was worthless.

And the lower power consumption didn't make it any faster.

Thats a weird argument. Why didn't you buy a 5850? It s cheaper and faster than both, at least it is in the UK.

 

[bryanW1995]

6790 is VLIW5 according to the article.

yeah, they only changed to the new arch with the 69x0 series. Ah, I remember the lead-up to that launch very well...rampant fanboyism, lots of people speculating that it would blow gtx 580 out of the water b/c of the new architecture. Very disappointing based upon lead up to the launch, though the cards have actually performed pretty well it seems.