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Radeon HD 3800s to be cheaper than 8800 GTs?

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I think they're right again. Amd really messed up since Intel introduced core 2 duo and rocked the market, and since they acquired ATI, they have only come up with rubbish cards while ATI had some great cards in the market (x1900xt/xtx).

 
Originally posted by: munky
If Ati's 3800 series were slower than the 8800gt, would Nvidia have pushed the launch forward by several weeks? I find it laughable that fudzilla claims the 3800 will be slower, when I have not seen even the slightest believable hint that it will be so.
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Interesting point. But on the other side of the coin, consider what AMD has recently delivered us. Now if the 3800 were anything special, why haven't we heard anything? It seems to me if that were the case, AMD would be leaking left and right to convince people to hold off until their product is released. Instead, they are virtually silent whilst a feeding frenzy goes on over severely price gouged 8800GTs.

For the sake of low prices and more affordable performance, I sincerely hope AMD delivers otherwise as others have said, they are in trouble and so are we for that matter. If we think that the 8800GTs were bad for gouging, imagine what the new GTS cards will be like upon release without threat from AMD.
 
Which is exactly why nVidia says they want to price the 512MB GT at 200$ and the 256MB GT under 200$... the 256MB GT should cost the same or less then that new AMD part according to nvidia... so the question is, how will the 256MB GT compare to the HD 3800?
Time will tell.

And the reason we are seeing 300$ GT parts is because of price gouging.
 
Originally posted by: Azn
Price and performance talks. Not some card that cost $600 to have performance crown.

I don't think there was a time I even payed and kept a video card that was over $200. Personally I think all these video gaming cards should be whole lot cheaper than what it is now.

If I could get away with $150 card and you pay $500 to play uber high resolutions than I'm satisfied. After all computers are a hobby. I'm not to do something remotely spectacular with it. I'm just trying to fire up a game when I get bored.
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When did hardware become 'Italian Sportcar' like for pricing!!...LOL
 
Originally posted by: SolMiester
Originally posted by: Azn
Price and performance talks. Not some card that cost $600 to have performance crown.

I don't think there was a time I even payed and kept a video card that was over $200. Personally I think all these video gaming cards should be whole lot cheaper than what it is now.

If I could get away with $150 card and you pay $500 to play uber high resolutions than I'm satisfied. After all computers are a hobby. I'm not to do something remotely spectacular with it. I'm just trying to fire up a game when I get bored.
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When did hardware become 'Italian Sportcar' like for pricing!!...LOL
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Well... they keep on naming them "Grand Tour" versions like they are some sort of racing cards...
Edit: I meant, racing cars, but it was too fitting to change.
 
If your product is better than the competition, you shouldn't undercut the price of your product vs the competition. Bad for business, boon for the consumers.
 
If the ATI card is slower than the 8800GT then they can sell it for £20 and i still wouldnt buy it, have ATI no shame ? its like they have given up and are happy to churn out 2nd rate cards for a not so 2nd rate price.

Kyro pull your finger out of your arse theres a slot here you can fill.
 
I like VIVO capabilities in a video card, but I was looking forward to the 8800GT for the price.
If ATI if 8% behind G92, and sells for 40 bucks less, Ill consider buying it.
 
Originally posted by: Powered by AMD
I like VIVO capabilities in a video card, but I was looking forward to the 8800GT for the price.
If ATI if 8% behind G92, and sells for 40 bucks less, Ill consider buying it.
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-Swtethan on his fiance's account
 
Such pessimism. I know AMD's track record hasn't been all that great lately but let's hope this can turn into an interesting battle.

I am going to hold off on the GT which I admit is great price/perf right now until I see some real numbers for the RV670. I may end up getting both since I have two machines. I like the fact that they are low power single slot gaming solutions. One should be perfect for my HTPC and the other on my aging XPS GEN4 rig. Hopefully both will be within the 300$ price range end of November. I might jump on a GT early if the price is too tempting.

Gotta love choices. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: SolMiester

When did hardware become 'Italian Sportcar' like for pricing!!...LOL
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For video cards, it happened once there were only two real players in the market. When one of those players can't keep up with the other one and when it has inferior board partners, the other player enjoys some extra price elasticity and can try to gouge.

We'll have to see how the new ATI cards do in benchmarks and then what they are priced at. It's possible that they could win the performance-for-value battle if they are priced around $150. Besides, some people don't like spending $200 on equipment that will quickly depreciate in value.
 
Originally posted by: saiga6360
I am going to hold off on the GT which I admit is great price/perf right now until I see some real numbers for the RV670. I may end up getting both since I have two machines. I like the fact that they are low power single slot gaming solutions. One should be perfect for my HTPC and the other on my aging XPS GEN4 rig. Hopefully both will be within the 300$ price range end of November. I might jump on a GT early if the price is too tempting.
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I totally disagree. It is much too expensive for the performance. Cards that come out now priced at 270 to 300 now should have greater performance. The 8800GTS and GTX were/are overpriced also considering the lack of substantial increase of performance relative to last generation's cards, and that they cannot perform well on new games. New cards should eat up new games. I mean, are we buying new cards to play old games??? The reason they are priced the way they are is b/c they are the best thing out there.. which doesn't mean they are good- they are just the highest performing option. 200 dollars might be a good deal for a GT.. but even then..
 
Originally posted by: taltamir
Which is exactly why nVidia says they want to price the 512MB GT at 200$ and the 256MB GT under 200$... the 256MB GT should cost the same or less then that new AMD part according to nvidia... so the question is, how will the 256MB GT compare to the HD 3800?
Time will tell.

And the reason we are seeing 300$ GT parts is because of price gouging.
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But look at the pricing as of now. It's $260 for a low end part and $300 for the high end part.
 
Originally posted by: spittledip
Originally posted by: saiga6360
I am going to hold off on the GT which I admit is great price/perf right now until I see some real numbers for the RV670. I may end up getting both since I have two machines. I like the fact that they are low power single slot gaming solutions. One should be perfect for my HTPC and the other on my aging XPS GEN4 rig. Hopefully both will be within the 300$ price range end of November. I might jump on a GT early if the price is too tempting.
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I totally disagree. It is much too expensive for the performance. Cards that come out now priced at 270 to 300 now should have greater performance. The 8800GTS and GTX were/are overpriced also considering the lack of substantial increase of performance relative to last generation's cards, and that they cannot perform well on new games. New cards should eat up new games. I mean, are we buying new cards to play old games??? The reason they are priced the way they are is b/c they are the best thing out there.. which doesn't mean they are good- they are just the highest performing option. 200 dollars might be a good deal for a GT.. but even then..
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Here F**king Here!


And its sad i know but in a way i do buy new cards to play old games, im using an 1800XL and i cant really play CMR Dirt unless i turn down the settings, but i dont want to turn down the settings i want to play the game the way its intended to be played with all the bells and whistles, So basically when i get a 8800GT ill be able to play CMR Dirt, well at least i hope so, CMR is just an Example as theres a good few games ive not played for the same reasons.

 
Originally posted by: spittledip
Originally posted by: saiga6360
I am going to hold off on the GT which I admit is great price/perf right now until I see some real numbers for the RV670. I may end up getting both since I have two machines. I like the fact that they are low power single slot gaming solutions. One should be perfect for my HTPC and the other on my aging XPS GEN4 rig. Hopefully both will be within the 300$ price range end of November. I might jump on a GT early if the price is too tempting.
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I totally disagree. It is much too expensive for the performance. Cards that come out now priced at 270 to 300 now should have greater performance. The 8800GTS and GTX were/are overpriced also considering the lack of substantial increase of performance relative to last generation's cards, and that they cannot perform well on new games. New cards should eat up new games. I mean, are we buying new cards to play old games??? The reason they are priced the way they are is b/c they are the best thing out there.. which doesn't mean they are good- they are just the highest performing option. 200 dollars might be a good deal for a GT.. but even then..
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But they depreciate faster than you can collect $500 as soon as games are available taking advantage. That's why I never buy high end cards.
 
Originally posted by: taltamir
Originally posted by: SolMiester
Originally posted by: Azn
Price and performance talks. Not some card that cost $600 to have performance crown.

I don't think there was a time I even payed and kept a video card that was over $200. Personally I think all these video gaming cards should be whole lot cheaper than what it is now.

If I could get away with $150 card and you pay $500 to play uber high resolutions than I'm satisfied. After all computers are a hobby. I'm not to do something remotely spectacular with it. I'm just trying to fire up a game when I get bored.
Click to expand...

QFT

When did hardware become 'Italian Sportcar' like for pricing!!...LOL
Click to expand...

Well... they keep on naming them "Grand Tour" versions like they are some sort of racing cards...
Edit: I meant, racing cars, but it was too fitting to change.
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So true. GT GTS.. LOL
 
I think NV pulled a page out of Intel's playbook with the early launch of the GT. Remember, there was very little word about the G92/GT until rumors about the RV670 ran rampant. Then NV has that press conference with Crysis devs and one of the NV guys mentions a big release coinciding with Crysis' launch. Then we caught word the G92 release was getting bumped up, not because of any increased pressure from AMD, but because NV could move up their release because the product was ready and they were confident with its performance.

Now the pressure is squarely back on ATI since all of the buzz is about the GT and potential G92 GTS. If ATI actually had an ace up their sleeves, you'd see them firing back with actual performance numbers to give people a reason to wait. Instead we're getting DX10.1 comparisons?

Either way, waiting a few weeks isn't going to kill you if you're looking at a 3800/8800GT. Regardless of how the 3800 performs its a great turn for mid-range enthusiasts. Near top-of-the-line performance at much lower prices. If you absolutely needed to buy something today though....I wouldn't bother waiting for the 3800. I just don't think its going to impress for a lot of reasons.
 
Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
For video cards, it happened once there were only two real players in the market. When one of those players can't keep up with the other one and when it has inferior board partners, the other player enjoys some extra price elasticity and can try to gouge.
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Yeah, 1999-2000 was golden era when we had 5 companies: nvidia, ati, matrox, 3dfx and S3 all competing for our money. You could buy TNT2Ultra, the fastest card on the market at that time for mere $175. Compare that with $600+ price tag for 8800 ultra cards now. It started quickly going downhill when nvidia pulled ahead with their GeForce/GeForceDDR/GeForce2 offerings and nobody except ATI could provide anything competitive.

 
I remember that as well. When the GeForce SDR came out it wasn't anything really much better than anyone else had, but then they released the DDR version, and look out. I had a Creative-Labs Annihilator Pro and it was the baddest card on the planet, period. Nothing could touch it.
 
I also think that somehow RV670 will be a bit less powerful but probably cheaper than the 8800gt. Think about it, even Ati got eye, if 8800gt is less powerful than rv670 and a lot of people are eating gt up, then it would be logical for Ati to leaking more actual game play benchmark that show rv670 actually beat 8800gt in order to steal nvidia's thunder. Instead, they show us Direct x 10.1, which is nice but not that many people are really worrying about that right now sicne most card can't even do Dx 10 right in the first place. Or is keeping benchmark on the card a secret really that important before the street date?
 
I too am pessimistic about the RV670 cards. DirectX 10.1? Who cares at this point, as you will have to wait at least another 6 months (or more) for games to incorporate 10.1. I still have a creaky old 6600, and will probably upgrade to the 8800GT after prices have settled down after the holiday season. I have waited a long time to upgrade because I hated the power requirement for the 8800 GTS/GTX and the 2900XTs, not to mention the outrageous pricing. The question I have about AMD/ATI is why are they pushing new tech like 10.1 when their 2900 series are second-rate with current tech? I want performance and value now, not a vague promise of such down the road -- especially when there will be newer cards then to fill needs like 10.1. Just my thoughts, and I think Nvidia is going to make a killer profit this holiday season.
 
I looked in my box... I Think I might have to settle for the ATI card... because I might not be able to fit a GT in my case (5 harddrives...)
 
Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
For video cards, it happened once there were only two real players in the market. When one of those players can't keep up with the other one and when it has inferior board partners, the other player enjoys some extra price elasticity and can try to gouge.
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Yeah, 1999-2000 was golden era when we had 5 companies: nvidia, ati, matrox, 3dfx and S3 all competing for our money. You could buy TNT2Ultra, the fastest card on the market at that time for mere $175. Compare that with $600+ price tag for 8800 ultra cards now. It started quickly going downhill when nvidia pulled ahead with their GeForce/GeForceDDR/GeForce2 offerings and nobody except ATI could provide anything competitive.
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$175? not when they came out, I remember people spending 800-900 bucks to have both a TNT2 + Voodoo in their systems when both cards launched. The best and latest always cost too much money.

damn, I wonder why there's no way to have both ATI & Nvidia box now. Game runs better on ATI? switch the cable and BAM. Idiotic and a waste of money but plenty of people would do it I'm sure.

 
supposedly the motherboards sli / crossfire interface is the same actual thing... you can do sli on a crossfire board and vice versa and it can't tell the difference...but putting two different cards? that requires the drives of the two manufacturers to work with each other... which is not very likely...
 
I think the problem is that the leaked report saying that 3800 will have Quad CF support. That's probably why they it won't do any good with just one graphics and the price should be lower than 8800GT. They probably will target 4x 3800 vs 2x 8800GT
 
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