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nippyjun

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Look at the reviews, see which one plays the games that you play at the resolutions that you play better. Forget the synthetic benchies, just look at the games. If it's neck and neck then get the cheaper one.
 
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sinthon

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GeForce FX 5900 Ultra has completely rocked the Radeon 9800 Pro in almost every benchmark I have seen so far.
 
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Lifer
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I would go with the 9800 Pro 256mb,it`s just better value for money and has excellent performance even compared to the Geforce FX 5900 Ultra 256MB.
 
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Originally posted by: sinthon
GeForce FX 5900 Ultra has completely rocked the Radeon 9800 Pro in almost every benchmark I have seen so far.
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lol, you keep saying that but i linked it review in the other thread thats quite contrary to what you claim.


honestly, anyone with any knowledge on the topic will tell you that the performace is VERY similar. you wont notice a difference between the two cards unless you run benchies and even then they are neck and neck. because of this fact, i would get the cheaper of the two
 
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modedepe

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Originally posted by: sinthon
GeForce FX 5900 Ultra has completely rocked the Radeon 9800 Pro in almost every benchmark I have seen so far.
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Completely rocked? Not in any benchmarks I've seen so far. In most they perform very closely, and in a lot the 9800 pro comes out ahead. If it was me I'd probably get a 9800 pro, but I don't think it matters that much really.
 
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i dont understand what the point of starting this thread is when in the other one you clearly said you were getting the 5900 ultra
 
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stardust

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i would buy nV cuz I WANT VIVO!!!! but yah, like edmundoab sed, the 128mb 9800p is almost same as 256mb. U'll definitely see the difference in later games though..
 

I think we should finally get to the point where we do not even consider reviews anymore. If all reviewers (anandtech, THG, HardOCP, etc, etc...) were on the level, then every single benchmark whether it be synthetic, or games, should be identical. Am I right or wrong here. There is absolutely no reason for a 5900 ultra to perform better or worse in a anandtech computer or a Hard OCP computer. Same goes for 9800pro of course. All benchmarks should be the same.
Same exact results everywhere. If it is not the same and results are drastically different at another reviewers site, then one of them is lying. Who will you believe? Anand? THG? Hard OCP? I wouldnt trust any review at all. The only review I would trust would be the brave people who actually bite the bullet and buy these things and post the results themselves. I know its not practical, but would you rather be lied to?

Sorry to rant. Just tired of people battling with their hyperlinks and various benchmarks that weigh in their favor.

GM
 
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Lifer
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Originally posted by: gorillaman
I think we should finally get to the point where we do not even consider reviews anymore. If all reviewers (anandtech, THG, HardOCP, etc, etc...) were on the level, then every single benchmark whether it be synthetic, or games, should be identical. Am I right or wrong here. There is absolutely no reason for a 5900 ultra to perform better or worse in a anandtech computer or a Hard OCP computer. Same goes for 9800pro of course. All benchmarks should be the same.
Same exact results everywhere. If it is not the same and results are drastically different at another reviewers site, then one of them is lying. Who will you believe? Anand? THG? Hard OCP? I wouldnt trust any review at all. The only review I would trust would be the brave people who actually bite the bullet and buy these things and post the results themselves. I know its not practical, but would you rather be lied to?

Sorry to rant. Just tired of people battling with their hyperlinks and various benchmarks that weigh in their favor.

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well, some places run non conventional benchmarks (ie benchmarks that cards are not optimized for) and then you see a difference
 
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Pete

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Originally posted by: shady06
Originally posted by: gorillaman
I think we should finally get to the point where we do not even consider reviews anymore. If all reviewers (anandtech, THG, HardOCP, etc, etc...) were on the level, then every single benchmark whether it be synthetic, or games, should be identical. Am I right or wrong here. There is absolutely no reason for a 5900 ultra to perform better or worse in a anandtech computer or a Hard OCP computer. Same goes for 9800pro of course. All benchmarks should be the same.
Same exact results everywhere. If it is not the same and results are drastically different at another reviewers site, then one of them is lying. Who will you believe? Anand? THG? Hard OCP? I wouldnt trust any review at all. The only review I would trust would be the brave people who actually bite the bullet and buy these things and post the results themselves. I know its not practical, but would you rather be lied to?

Sorry to rant. Just tired of people battling with their hyperlinks and various benchmarks that weigh in their favor.

GM
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well, some places run non conventional benchmarks (ie benchmarks that cards are not optimized for) and then you see a difference
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That is exactly what I am talking about Shady. No advantages should be granted to any product over another. All, and I mean all, benchmarks should be run by all, and I mean all, reviewers using identical rigs. I've really had it with this BS. Not that my voice would be heard anywhere but here.
We as consumers will never get the honesty or truthfulness when it comes to big business. They exist to lie and lie to exist. Paradox if you will.

Didn't anyone ever tell ya, "Dont believe everything you hear."? Well I got a new one... Dont believe anything you hear until you see it for yourself.
Not the word of strangers.

Sorry for the rant part 2....

GM
 
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McArra

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Originally posted by: Pete
Originally posted by: sinthon
GeForce FX 5900 Ultra has completely rocked the Radeon 9800 Pro in almost every benchmark I have seen so far.
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Then you haven't seen many benchmarks, and perhaps don't appreciate that a Radeon 9800's AA is much better-looking than a 5900's AA (though nV's AF is arguably better). You can start by checking these two out:

Beyond3D's DX9 test using TR: AoD
Digit-Life's comparo

And the 9800P decidedly rocks the 5900U in GamePC's tests.
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CraigRT

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depends on your needs.
I'd give the 9800 pro a whirl simply cause I love my 9700 pro... but I am sure the 5900 is awesome...the benchmarks lean towards the 5900.
 
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Shade4ever

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Although I own a 128MB 9800P (upped from a GF3), I'd probably lean towards the 5900 assuming a) they are approximately equal and b) ATI doesn't manage to hire Nvidia's entire driver team. Although I'm happy with it now, not being able to play CS initially on my new card hurt ATI's rep in my eyes.
 
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Pete

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You still play CS now that Enemy Territory is out? :) ET looks good enough on my 9100, I imagine it'd look amazing on your 9800P w/AA+AF. Much more varied gameplay, too.
 
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Genx87

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Then you haven't seen many benchmarks, and perhaps don't appreciate that a Radeon 9800's AA is much better-looking than a 5900's AA (though nV's AF is arguably better). You can start by checking these two out:

And here

5900 vs 9800 iq

 
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Originally posted by: virtualgames0
5900 Ultra, simply cuz there's less chance of having trouble with the drivers :beer::D
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What a pile of horse shi...
 
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Originally posted by: Regs
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
5900 Ultra, simply cuz there's less chance of having trouble with the drivers :beer::D
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What a pile of horse shi...
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Try reading the release notes on ATi's driver updates. Although ATi has done considerably better with driver updates with the Catalyst line (funny how everyone forgets you used to get a driver update out of ATi every 9-10 months until the Catalyst run), they still have serious issues with their drivers (I test every set of drivers that comes out from both companies with my company's games, so I see the issues first hand, and fairly quickly).
 
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yhelothar

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Originally posted by: Regs
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
5900 Ultra, simply cuz there's less chance of having trouble with the drivers :beer::D
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What a pile of horse shi...
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i'm speaking from personal experience here...
I just upgraded from a 9700Pro to a GeForceFX 5900 Ultra
9700Pro was actually a bit faster with AA/AF enabled..... but that said, I'd rather have the GFFX because I have no compatability issues with my GFFX... and several of my games doesn't work properly on my 9700Pro
 
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