Radeon 9700 Pro or Nvidia Ti4600

Regs · May 30, 2003

I'm sorry, but getting a 9700 pro right now is a waste of damn money with you all ready having a 4600. I can understand maybe a MX or a GF3 to a 9700, but not a GF4. All the 9700 improves on is points in 3D marks as there is no game that runs with the full power of the 9700. If a game can't run smoothly on a 4600ti, then its a crap game to begin with that needs a performance patch pronto.

Like others said, wait for the DX9 games to come out.

Harabecw · May 30, 2003

Originally posted by: Regs
I'm sorry, but getting a 9700 pro right now is a waste of damn money with you all ready having a 4600. I can understand maybe a MX or a GF3 to a 9700, but not a GF4. All the 9700 improves on is points in 3D marks as there is no game that runs with the full power of the 9700. If a game can't run smoothly on a 4600ti, then its a crap game to begin with that needs a performance patch pronto.

Like others said, wait for the DX9 games to come out.

Do you have a Radeon 9700 Pro?

Rogozhin · May 30, 2003

Again

for those of you who think the 4600 is close to the same performance go read some reviews-it truly is not the case.

I suppose the only person that might not need to upgrade would be a gamer who only plays at 640 or 800 resolutions.

rogo

Rogozhin · May 30, 2003

Personally

I've owned a geforce 4 ti440 and g4 ti4200 before my 9700 and there really is NO comparison.

rogo

bluemax · May 30, 2003

Originally posted by: Rogozhin
Personally

I've owned a geforce 4 ti440 and g4 ti4200 before my 9700 and there really is NO comparison.

Exactly the same thing that all the other TI4x00 - to 9700 owners have all said.

They all see a very noticable difference in performance.
So ignore Regs' uneducated comment. :frown:

It's all a matter of dollars and "sense". Do you NEED more performance? Are you willing make the effort to sell your old card and pay a small amount in to GET a new card in order to GET more performance?
It's up to you. If you do switch, you WILL see the difference.

Hey.... hope your processor is close-to-or-over 2GHz... then you'll really appreciate the difference. If you have a slower processor, the video card is not your bottleneck.
Then again, with a slower processor, you can turn on AA/AF and see no little-to-no performance difference.

Like when I had a Celeron 200A@450 and a Voodoo3. 640x480, 800x800, and 1024x768 all gave me the same 3DMark scores because the CPU was the bottleneck, not video.

rvg16 · May 30, 2003

3.0C Ghz

Vonkhan · May 30, 2003

dont waste ur time thinking about it ... get a 9700Pro, its one incredible piece of hardware. B'sides, wherez the fun in games if u cant max out the bells-n-whistles

Rogozhin · May 30, 2003

like when you max everything in ut2003 and the narro says "Holy Shiit!"

rogo

SCSIfreek · May 30, 2003

save your money and get 1Gig of Ram

. I'm holding out for the next generation of Video cards as my 4600 could handle most of my games.

--Scsi

Stinger32 · May 30, 2003

Why a celeron VS a standard P4. I would rather go with the slower P4 than buy a Celeron anytime!

Lee

Lonyo · May 30, 2003

I like these people saying the 4600 and 9700 are equal.

I like it because, as people have said, the 9700 is faster.

I also like it because, if the 9700 and 4600 are equal in speed, and the 9700 and 5800 are equal in speed, that would mean that when nVidia released the 5800, they decided to make a card that didn't out perform their previous card. That notion is stupidly funny, and I can't really see that anyone would bother doing that.
(btw, 9700 means 9700 Pro and 5800 means 5800Ultra)

BTW: Get the 9700

If you have a processor that fast, you might as well get the graphics card that will help it push along with AA and AF.

Also, if you have an LCD, then the 9700Pro is definately the best option, as the only way to improve graphical quality without res is with A anf AF, and an LCD would limit your res to probably 1280x1024.

c52k · May 30, 2003

I have both cards and personally find the Ti4600's performance much better. I don't play a lot of FPS's anymore .. i play a lot of Everquest these days and hands down my Ti4600 out performs the 9700 Pro.

I just recently got a PNY 5600 FX 256MB and am not having much luck with it. Lots of lag in the game and there are artifacts on the screen during bootup, in windows and in the game. I've been tweaking it when i have time but sadly my Ti 4600 is still the card of choice out of the bunch that i have.

Rogozhin · May 30, 2003

C52K

Are you switching between cards on the same machine?

rogo

c52k · May 30, 2003

I've tried same machine at one point .. decided which one i liked better (Ti4600) then kept that in my main machine and now have the Radeon 9700 in my 2nd box.

Rogozhin · May 30, 2003

Did you have two seperate drives with fresh os installs and fresh game installs-that's the only way to compare with the same rig.

rogo

c52k · May 30, 2003

In initial testing i didn't. 1 box installed Ti4600 and drivers ... tested.
Uninstalled drivers .. slapped in 9700 Pro installed drivers .. tested.

Didn't do any benchmarking, but in game there was a noticeable difference. That's when i chose the 4600, uninstalled ATI drivers, put the 4600 back in then re-installed Detonator drivers.

Put the 9700 pro in my 2nd machine which i've since done a new OS install and it's the only card that's been in there ever since. The "in game" results are the same as when it was on my main box.

Again, i never did any benchmarking since i never really cared much about those results, I always went with what worked best "in game".

Let me be clear on something, i'm not saying that overall the Ti4600 is a better card than the 9700 Pro, all i'm saying that in my experience for the types of games i play the Ti4600 has performed better than my 9700 Pro. This was a suprise to me since everything i've read up on the 9700 Pro lead me to believe it should out perform my 4600 ... but so far that hasn't been the case.

whitetiger · May 30, 2003

9700 pro is so much faster than ti 4600 , and actually ati really improve their driver, i think all the manufacturer have provide driver to download, not a bad idea if u go for 9700 pro,

Pete · May 30, 2003

rvg16, stick with the 4600 until it starts to feel slow. It's still a very fast card for many games, and it should hold you over at least until this winter, when you can start looking for a cheap Radeon 9700 (much faster than your 4600 with AA&AF applied), or an expensive but even faster next-gen Radeon or GF FX. I wouldn't buy anything new at least until ATi and nVidia announce their next-gen cards this fall/winter, and even then I'd advise waiting until they've been released.

But if you've got the money and want slightly better IQ and much faster framerates, sell your 4600 and buy a ~$200-230 Radeon 9700 (non-Pro).

whitetiger · May 30, 2003

can i know what is AA, AF ...etc thanx

FearoftheNight · May 30, 2003

Noone is saying that the 9700 pro isn't a great card...the question at hand is whether or not you have a need in current games for such a card? if so you won't regret it...if not hold off....i know plenty of people who are holding on to their gf2mxs and gf3 and holding out for one super upgrade later.

AA: Anti-aliasing gets rid of "jaggies".
AF: Smooths out textures in the distance.

Edit: Personally I run everythin w/ 4x aa and 16x on my 9700 pro but I don't think its thaaaat big of a deal and is overrated. It is an improvment nontheless if I look carefully. Don't flame me for this its just my opinion.

Regs · May 30, 2003

I know the 9700 pro is a fantastic card, I won't argue that. However I would not see the need in spending any more cash right now when you all ready have a decent card. If you are good in saving cash, save for a new aged video card that will likely make the 9700 or 9800 even obsolete. That way you will be able to play the DX9 games without a hitch.

However if that cash is burning a hole in your pocket, then by all means buy the 9700 pro.

Cesar · May 31, 2003

get the Radeon 9700 Pro, but look for The Radeon 9500 Pro it beats the Geforce 4Ti 4600
If ur worried that u can't overclocked it yes you can

Varsh · May 31, 2003

I've gotta agree with what Regs is saying here, there's no need to get a new card at the moment if you already have a Ti4600. Hell I'm still using my GF4 MX 440 and I can still run UT2K3 at 1024*768 with full settings on running not a drop below 25FPS, if I can get 25FPS performance out of the most insanely graphically intense game out so far, why would you want to upgrade a Ti4600 which'll perform WAY above that with even more eye candy?
Getting an ATI 9700Pro would be a waste of money unless you upgrade from a low performance card, just stick with what you have and see what your performance is like with Doom 3 and Half-Life 2 before making any decisions, that's what I'm gonna do (and I bet I'm gonna seriously strugle with them <_<).

bluemax · Jun 1, 2003

Oh noooo... no, there's no difference between a 4600 and 9700..... nooo.... none at all....

OOPS...

q2261 · Jun 1, 2003

ATI driver is SUCK. PERIOD. I have a 9000pro and an mx420 on two otherwise identical Dell Poweredge 600SCs and the 9000pro driver install has been a problem every single time I've built the machine from scratch. Even if can get the basic driver to work, getting the ATI control panel app to install was a pain in the A** whereas nvidia has it all integrated.

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